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The DC Thread: How many Crises is Too Many?
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Edit: Also, Denny O'Neil's two-parter in Batman and Detective Comics following R.I.P. wasn't bad.
Ohh man, I actually read Death of the New Gods a couple nights ago because I was able to buy it for next to nothing at a videogame/airsoft/comic trade-in shop.
Terrible, terrible book.
The only person written in character was Jim Starlin, in his introduction to the book.
I was able to flip through someone else's Death of the New Gods and I was literally dumbstruck by it. Like, it is so bad.
You can put Jerry Ordway in that list too. His JSA work was pretty bad.
Edit: Hey now, Mystery in Space was great.
On the bright side, Jim Shooter's run on Legion was really good, before Didio fucked him over anyway.
My thinly veiled comics commentary will really change things around here!!
It's like Joe Quesada and Steve Wacker put together, everybody run!
And Jerry Ordway is still good, hen didn't completely mess up Hawkman in one issue like Starlin did. And Shooter's Legion was the best of the new version of the Legion, and I liked how he never pulled punches with Manapul and trying to help him become a better artist.
You can't really blame Starlin for the Hawkman stuff though, editorial were the ones that told him to do it.
As for Legion, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Shooter's run was the best of the threeboot (I really enjoyed the Dominator War) but yeah, I'd agree that it was really good. That last issue though... I think I had a 3-5 paragraph rant about how fucked up it was.
And it was shit. Nothing in the solicit matched what happened in the comic, and Princess Projectra's story just went away. What the hell.
And DC told Starlin to make Hawkman's Egypt history a fake memory, then verify that memory at the same time with what was happening in Trinity? What the hell editors?
Shame he doesn't do interiors anymore.
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I didn't mind the first half. Good Whodunnit story. But
Wish me luck.
You won't need it if you aren't a dumb ass.
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(I bet my rampant Grant Morrison fanboyism makes me really popular here. But really.)
Are you reading it in the hardcover? With Superman Beyond?
It was definitely too much. I was following without a problem for the first five issues, and I thought Submit was really the best part of the entire thing.
Superman Beyond really confused me in the begining, simply because there didn't seem to be any anchor or continuity in the art until they reach Limbo, so it was difficult to tell what was going on. After that, it kind of repaired itself. However,
Then, as I said, things stay pretty interesting and coherent enough through the fifth issue. Then, when issue six starts, things begin to feel really jumbled and scattered, and really rushed. I was having trouble determining where certain heroes were at, because it seemed like some were popping back and forth between different fronts. And the last issue was just a mess; trying to cap everything off without the space or development to really do so, and in a very sorted and jumbled chronology.
I feel like I only really read half a story, or maybe half of one story (Darkseid's) and a quarter of another (Monitors). Kind of like Grant Morrison had a plate of left over cosmic DCU ideas, and was really struggling to bring them together in such a short run.
If it had been just a darkseid story or just a monitor story, for the entire thing, complete and finished, I probably would've loved it.
There was always a sense with DC that they couldn't tell Morrison "No" when he would try and cram something else into the story after everything was already made up to a certain point in production.
It was probably a nightmare in singles, but I really enjoyed it up until the part where I couldn't differentiate the different battlefields and the different resistance groups and whatnot.
Man what
i can sort of understand that. SUBMIT gave a street level view of what it was like to be under the rule of Darkseid, something the main series glazed over. The tone of SUBMIT should have been in every single DC book as a crossover at that time period to give the event some extra weight and wouldn't have felt out of place. Missed opportunity on DC's part.
Exactly this.
Maybe if they had given out anti-life fragments, it could've had the penetration it deserved.
And I agree with Hadji, FC did not really achieve any sort of relevant influence. All the monthlies completely ignored it, and actually, most of the tie-in books completely ignored it too.
Rogue's Revenge was a good story, but it had nothing to do with FC.
Revelations was a pretty good Spectre / Supernatural book, but it was barely connected at all. The only thing it had to with FC was that there were a few anti-life zombies that were threatening Renee.
Legion of Three Worlds wasn't about FC. It was a setup to future DC events and that particular "tie-in" has been more relevant than the core FC story.
Rage of the Red Lanterns #1 was marketed as an FC tie-in and it has absolutely nothing to do with FC whatsoever.
And it's been kind of a bummer. Since I started reading all the DC flagship titles monthly, just after FC ended, the only real references I've seen to it have been made by James Robinson.
One of them was Steel, who was helping to rebuild Metropolis: "That sure was some crisis we had; I sure hope it was the final one."
The other one is that Cry for Justice trainwreck.
Also, what the fuck is with aquaman? He's pretty clearly alive at the end there, and they didn't even pull that bit from the collected version.
So it was an accident that they're trying to cover up?
Man, why not just pull the panel.
Did we ever see Aquaman even die? I remember him being a sea crazy in 52.
Also, what's up with Joe Aquaman these days anyway?
DC makes it harder than it has to be sometimes.
I'm ok with this, because honestly, a single panel that came out of the blue is a pretty crappy way to resurrect a hero.
He can be metal and old school at the same time.
Then again, I'm sure that's probably on Johns's calendar for somepoint.
Edit: Damnit, Lucas. The same thing pretty much happened for Barry Allen. He just came back. I know they're sort of explaining it in Rebirth, but not doing the greatest job.
EditEdit: Morrison heard we like Crises, so he gave our Flash a Flash.
To be honest, I know nothing about Aquaman. I've never really read any stories about him. I guess this question could be asked in the questions thread but since we're talking about it here, I might as well ask it here:
Are there any good Aquaman trades that are worth picking up? I really enjoyed his pages so far in Blackest Night, and the event has created some interest in the character. I've never really given him a fair chance, and always just assumed that he was the gay fish lovin' dude that seems to be the stereotype. But his BN pages were pretty awesome and I'm just wondering if there are other awesome stories buried out there that I've never heard of.
Personally I don't give a shit about Aquaman. I thought the version from Morrison's JLA run was pretty good and the later magic water hand was okay, but all other versions are lame.
DC needs to make Aquaman more like he was in JLA: Earth 2 where he was beating up the Crime Syndicate with J'onn and had his sea army helping out. That was the coolest he's been in a long time.
Some sort of amalgamation between his JLA portrayal under Morrison and his animated appearances in JL/U and Brave and the Bold.
He's an awesome character in all of those. I think his book would have to be a cross between a mythical, golden Aquaman and a moderate level of under-sea politics.
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