[Mini-Phalla] Redemption: Cult of Bythos wins!

shalmelo

Orange Soda wrote: »

Burnage wrote: »

Fun fact. Arivia tried to convert mEEksa the other night; this failed, since mEEksa was already Redeemed. So, due to how harsh the Cult's conversion power was, going into today mEEksa had Arivia's name (not role name), her win condition, and the knowledge that she had a conversion power.

Good work, team.

Also, re: village win condition. If you'd taken out all the original Redeemed by day five, I would have called the game (or at least fast-forwarded the Metempsychosis). Considering that there were, at the beginning of the game, four anti-Redeemed kills a night (five if Gumpy used his power on a villager/Cult member), then this was not at all absurd. Also, apologies about the sudden "ALL YOUR ABILITIES ARE DISABLED" yesterday, I thought I'd given enough sign-posting with the narrations about how a vote would end the game. And since, in the order of actions, vote came first...

I don't understand how that was misunderstood honestly....

Me neither. It always made sense to me, which is why, in the absence of any better information, I tried to take the voluntary conversion route to try and get a larger group win as soon as the primary village win condition was no longer available.

kime

Gumpy wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Day One Win.

Sacrifice just one guy to spread the word of a DAY ONE WIN.

How the hell did you not at least take the chance?

We want people who want to fight the good fight to win, not people who want to add one more number onto their Phallacred

Hehe, I'll be honest, I was really tempted.

But Ringo.... did you read what you said today? And how people reacted? This was on the day when the only option a villager had to win was to convert. And they didn't do it.

Can you imagine how poorly that would have gone over earlier?

Edit to above: Yeah, I thought it was fairly self-explanatory haha. And thanks for being sensible shal!

Ringo

Arivia wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Gumpy wrote: »

Ringo, I'm curious, but what faction are you?

I'm still a villager, along with (hopefully) everybody but Shalmelo and Arivia. And Jobastion. Really don't know why Job has suddenly decided to vote himself for the big spot.

I've still got a Win Condition and I'm trying to fill it. Vote for me! I AM YOUR COMMUNICAITONS GOD.

Okay, this bugged me before I fell asleep: how did you know I wasn't a villager?

You voted for Shalmelo, thus identifying yourself as Redeemed? Of course that was totally wrong, but that's what it looked like. You voted for a Redeemed to take the chair.

Burnage

Jobastion wrote: »

Shouldn't mEEksa (technically - though he wasn't here for it... so) be in the winners circle too if that Arivia's power was an involuntary convert?

No. The Redeemed could not be converted.

Honestly, how I was expecting this to play out was roughly... mafia manages to spread the word about voluntary conversion, the village slowly realised "hey, yeah, this could work", the vast majority converted, then the remainder of the game was spent hunting down the Avatar of Bythos.

And just to make Ringo and scrivener feel extra-good about themselves, if a Redeemed member had been voted for Metempsychosis last night then every single player would have achieved a partial victory.

Arivia

Ringo wrote: »

Arivia wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Gumpy wrote: »

Ringo, I'm curious, but what faction are you?

I'm still a villager, along with (hopefully) everybody but Shalmelo and Arivia. And Jobastion. Really don't know why Job has suddenly decided to vote himself for the big spot.

I've still got a Win Condition and I'm trying to fill it. Vote for me! I AM YOUR COMMUNICAITONS GOD.

Okay, this bugged me before I fell asleep: how did you know I wasn't a villager?

You voted for Shalmelo, thus identifying yourself as Redeemed? Of course that was totally wrong, but that's what it looked like. You voted for a Redeemed to take the chair.

Oh, you were talking about that. Yes, I did actually throw a conversion PM Burn's way and vote so the Redeemed wouldn't go after me.

Also, MVP award goes to Jobastion of course. Christ he did a ton this game.

kime

Burnage wrote:

And just to make Ringo and scrivener feel extra-good about themselves, if a Redeemed member had been voted for Metempsychosis last night then every single player would have achieved a partial victory.

Ah, village stupidity, why do I still underestimate your powers :lol:?

Gumpy

Ok

So early game, did any of the redeemed who were getting voted for tell the village about the conversion thing?

scrivenerjones

Burnage wrote: »

And just to make Ringo and scrivener feel extra-good about themselves, if a Redeemed member had been voted for Metempsychosis last night then every single player would have achieved a partial victory.

L O L

yes, MVP to Jobastion of course.

and LVP to... B:L? sometimes the simplest answer is the right one

Jobastion

Arivia wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

shalmelo wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

Daius wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

It's cool daius. It's cool. Maybe.

I actually don't know. Maybe it's not cool.

You guys should probably ask god.

She's the one standing over there, pretending to be all inactive, and having all those traits and stuff.

...

...

You fucker.

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
The best part. I actually told the redeemed that I was just a lacky, calling kills for god.
[

Never told ME that, did you....jeebus.

I told Rawkking. Though I told him that Gonmon was god.

And shit, I really was trying to get the village win. And SimpsonParadox was one of the two converted.
Told ya redeemed too. But NOOOO, couldn't accept your god's rule could you. Just had to fight back, didn't you. Serves you right.

Dear village. I am truely sorry. That sucked. You deserved better, because quite frankly, as far as your win condition from burnage went, you were (mostly) completely awesome.
And hilariously, I would have let the redeemed win if they'd presented someone other than you, shalmelo, as their front man for the vote. I handle my grudges very, very carefully. And am an angry god.

See? We were evil. Jobastion honestly went for most of the game not believing we were the bad folks. This was fun, Burn, thanks.

I had to believe that. Willful ingnorace. It's a wonderful trait. That, and I was using all the wiki's and stuff to explain to everyone else how bad the bad guys were. It worked wonderfully. I didn't even know I was being evil until burnage posted the final narration. You all played perfectly into my hands that are typing words right now without their mind knowing what's going on at all. The meatbag these hands are attached to is a fool.... but you can trust us. We're his hands. We know what's going on

Also, how the fuck do I keep ending up as "mafiaish" in situations where I have no reason to actually believe that I'm mafia, then leading the good guy network. This makes no sense. Twice now. This really was just RGH all over again. (Ok, I won this one... but still, close)

shalmelo

Burnage wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

Shouldn't mEEksa (technically - though he wasn't here for it... so) be in the winners circle too if that Arivia's power was an involuntary convert?

No. The Redeemed could not be converted.

Honestly, how I was expecting this to play out was roughly... mafia manages to spread the word about voluntary conversion, the village slowly realised "hey, yeah, this could work", the vast majority converted, then the remainder of the game was spent hunting down the Avatar of Bythos.

And just to make Ringo and scrivener feel extra-good about themselves, if a Redeemed member had been voted for Metempsychosis last night then every single player would have achieved a partial victory.

:facepalm:


Anyway, because I haven't said it yet - thanks for running this, Burnage. It was twisted and bizarre and wildly entertaining, and I would expect nothing less.

Ringo

kime wrote: »

Gumpy wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Day One Win.

Sacrifice just one guy to spread the word of a DAY ONE WIN.

How the hell did you not at least take the chance?

We want people who want to fight the good fight to win, not people who want to add one more number onto their Phallacred

Hehe, I'll be honest, I was really tempted.

But Ringo.... did you read what you said today? And how people reacted? This was on the day when the only option a villager had to win was to convert. And they didn't do it.

Can you imagine how poorly that would have gone over earlier?

Edit to above: Yeah, I thought it was fairly self-explanatory haha. And thanks for being sensible shal!

Eh, I think it would've been worth the risk, especially with Narration and it being a Burnage game. I've gotta say, I didn't really expect people to actually follow me, but when nobody voted for Shal I just decided to run with it.

It's too bad about that asylum thing, really.

kime

Ringo wrote: »

Eh, I think it would've been worth the risk, especially with Narration and it being a Burnage game. I've gotta say, I didn't really expect people to actually follow me, but when nobody voted for Shal I just decided to run with it.

It's too bad about that asylum thing, really.

You ended up winning, so I suppose I can't blame you too much. I blame the villagers who listened to you.

But you're the figurehead, so you get my vote haha.

Plus, I'm not sure if you were just playing to win, or if you actually believed the things you said, so I should punish you just to be certain!

Gumpy wrote: »

Ok

So early game, did any of the redeemed who were getting voted for tell the village about the conversion thing?

If I remember correctly, we may have PMed a couple people? If I'd been bandwagoned, I was definitely planning on going on a campaign to gain converts, haha. But the opportunity never came .

shalmelo

Ringo wrote: »

kime wrote: »

Gumpy wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Day One Win.

Sacrifice just one guy to spread the word of a DAY ONE WIN.

How the hell did you not at least take the chance?

We want people who want to fight the good fight to win, not people who want to add one more number onto their Phallacred

Hehe, I'll be honest, I was really tempted.

But Ringo.... did you read what you said today? And how people reacted? This was on the day when the only option a villager had to win was to convert. And they didn't do it.

Can you imagine how poorly that would have gone over earlier?

Edit to above: Yeah, I thought it was fairly self-explanatory haha. And thanks for being sensible shal!

Eh, I think it would've been worth the risk, especially with Narration and it being a Burnage game. I've gotta say, I didn't really expect people to actually follow me, but when nobody voted for Shal I just decided to run with it.

It's too bad about that asylum thing, really.

Yeah, speaking of that - why exactly did none of the other Redeemed folks vote for me? Or at the very least contact me to discuss options?? Hmmmm?

Gumpy

Inactivity

Nocturne

kime wrote: »

If I remember correctly, we may have PMed a couple people? If I'd been bandwagoned, I was definitely planning on going on a campaign to gain converts, haha. But the opportunity never came .

I think this translates into:

"You guys need to bandwagon me early on more often!"

-kime

Jobastion

Gumpy wrote: »

Ok

So early game, did any of the redeemed who were getting voted for tell the village about the conversion thing?

They mostly weren't getting voted for. That was the beauty of the situation.
(Tim was, but... as he mentioned, he might have been high, possibly drunk, and managed to miss the 48 hour day to come back at 30 minutes or less to vote close with a full bandwagon of doom on him)
All the others just got vig'd early on.

Tim actually sent me his role pm... from when he was a citizen of the world. Really, really high/drunk.

Arivia

Jobastion wrote: »

Arivia wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

shalmelo wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

Daius wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

It's cool daius. It's cool. Maybe.

I actually don't know. Maybe it's not cool.

You guys should probably ask god.

She's the one standing over there, pretending to be all inactive, and having all those traits and stuff.

...

...

You fucker.

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
The best part. I actually told the redeemed that I was just a lacky, calling kills for god.
[

Never told ME that, did you....jeebus.

I told Rawkking. Though I told him that Gonmon was god.

And shit, I really was trying to get the village win. And SimpsonParadox was one of the two converted.
Told ya redeemed too. But NOOOO, couldn't accept your god's rule could you. Just had to fight back, didn't you. Serves you right.

Dear village. I am truely sorry. That sucked. You deserved better, because quite frankly, as far as your win condition from burnage went, you were (mostly) completely awesome.
And hilariously, I would have let the redeemed win if they'd presented someone other than you, shalmelo, as their front man for the vote. I handle my grudges very, very carefully. And am an angry god.

See? We were evil. Jobastion honestly went for most of the game not believing we were the bad folks. This was fun, Burn, thanks.

I had to believe that. Willful ingnorace. It's a wonderful trait. That, and I was using all the wiki's and stuff to explain to everyone else how bad the bad guys were. It worked wonderfully. I didn't even know I was being evil until burnage posted the final narration. You all played perfectly into my hands that are typing words right now without their mind knowing what's going on at all. The meatbag these hands are attached to is a fool.... but you can trust us. We're his hands. We know what's going on

Also, how the fuck do I keep ending up as "mafiaish" in situations where I have no reason to actually believe that I'm mafia, then leading the good guy network. This makes no sense. Twice now. This really was just RGH all over again. (Ok, I won this one... but still, close)

Haha. I gave up on trying to explain that after Heaven's Gate. Which reminds me, you should unlock our little Day 3 proboard.

Nocturne

Oh yeah, I'm still thanking Burnage for running this Phalla, not boooing it like I said I might earlier.

This was actually a pretty neat concept.

SimpsonsParadox

kime wrote: »

But again, on that last day, it all changed. I agree that in the context of the game, we were evil for most of it. Just that last day, when normal villagers are going "gahhh mafia, don't let them win even if I lose!" it kind of breaks apart the game. You always play towards your win, which apparently is a difficult concept.

Oh well, it was fun sparring with Job .

To the best of my knowledge (I was just cruising these last few days, if you couldn't tell ) I was the only one to suggest that we damn the Redeemed and keep on trucking. I sort of had a reason for that

Also, I would like to thank Jobastion for allowing his humble servant to join in on the win. I did all of one kill, but I like to think that kill made absolutely no difference. Sorry, Fatal.

Also, I assume that the message sent to me that I could either convert to the Redeemed or lose my abilities was not, in fact, a convert, but rather a ploy by the mafia to get me to join up on their side by PMing Burnage that i'd join the Redeemed? They stopped me from firing my vig on day 3...but didn't get me to join. Village win condition, ho!

-edit- Thank you very much for running this Mini, Burnage!

Burnage

Thanks for playing, guys! Hope you all had fun!

Also; "most unfortunate player" award goes to Rawkking for twice in a row hitting the same targets as Kime, the ability destroyer. Awkward...

Jobastion

Arivia wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

Spoiler:

Arivia wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

shalmelo wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

Daius wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

It's cool daius. It's cool. Maybe.

I actually don't know. Maybe it's not cool.

You guys should probably ask god.

She's the one standing over there, pretending to be all inactive, and having all those traits and stuff.

...

...

You fucker.

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
The best part. I actually told the redeemed that I was just a lacky, calling kills for god.
[

Never told ME that, did you....jeebus.

I told Rawkking. Though I told him that Gonmon was god.

And shit, I really was trying to get the village win. And SimpsonParadox was one of the two converted.
Told ya redeemed too. But NOOOO, couldn't accept your god's rule could you. Just had to fight back, didn't you. Serves you right.

Dear village. I am truely sorry. That sucked. You deserved better, because quite frankly, as far as your win condition from burnage went, you were (mostly) completely awesome.
And hilariously, I would have let the redeemed win if they'd presented someone other than you, shalmelo, as their front man for the vote. I handle my grudges very, very carefully. And am an angry god.

See? We were evil. Jobastion honestly went for most of the game not believing we were the bad folks. This was fun, Burn, thanks.

I had to believe that. Willful ingnorace. It's a wonderful trait. That, and I was using all the wiki's and stuff to explain to everyone else how bad the bad guys were. It worked wonderfully. I didn't even know I was being evil until burnage posted the final narration. You all played perfectly into my hands that are typing words right now without their mind knowing what's going on at all. The meatbag these hands are attached to is a fool.... but you can trust us. We're his hands. We know what's going on

Also, how the fuck do I keep ending up as "mafiaish" in situations where I have no reason to actually believe that I'm mafia, then leading the good guy network. This makes no sense. Twice now. This really was just RGH all over again. (Ok, I won this one... but still, close)

Haha. I gave up on trying to explain that after Heaven's Gate. Which reminds me, you should unlock our little Day 3 proboard.

I did. About a page ago.
http://avastyeafterlife.proboards.com/

Burnage wrote: »

Thanks for playing, guys! Hope you all had fun!

Also; "most unfortunate player" award goes to Rawkking for twice in a row hitting the same targets as Kime, the ability destroyer. Awkward...

The BEST!

kime

SimpsonsParadox wrote: »

Also, I assume that the message sent to me that I could either convert to the Redeemed or lose my abilities was not, in fact, a convert, but rather a ploy by the mafia to get me to join up on their side by PMing Burnage that i'd join the Redeemed? They stopped me from firing my vig on day 3...but didn't get me to join. Village win condition, ho!

It was indeed a ploy. I was rather proud of that little trick .

Burnage wrote: »

Thanks for playing, guys! Hope you all had fun!

Also; "most unfortunate player" award goes to Rawkking for twice in a row hitting the same targets as Kime, the ability destroyer. Awkward...

Hahaha, poor Rawking. I think, though, that ended up turning out badly for us, though . (Maybe, not positive.)

Burnage

SimpsonsParadox wrote: »

Also, I assume that the message sent to me that I could either convert to the Redeemed or lose my abilities was not, in fact, a convert, but rather a ploy by the mafia to get me to join up on their side by PMing Burnage that i'd join the Redeemed? They stopped me from firing my vig on day 3...but didn't get me to join. Village win condition, ho!

It was a ploy. I thought it was a neat idea at first, but when they just repeated that message every day I began to think they were somewhat wasting their anonymous message power.

Ringo

Yeah, thanks Burnage.

Everything about it gave me the feeling we were doing the wrong thing, and yet I fought on like a good little soldier. Hip hip hooray!

Nocturne

Burnage wrote: »

Thanks for playing, guys! Hope you all had fun!

Also; "most unfortunate player" award goes to Rawkking for twice in a row hitting the same targets as Kime, the ability destroyer. Awkward...

Ahaha I was wondering about that.

One of the stranger PMs I've received.

Ebfan

Well... I'm thoroughly confused. Good game Burnage, as a always!

Rawkking Goodguy

Ringo wrote: »

Replacement Victory!

So could we really have converted on the last day?

Yes.

So Job, what would have happened to you if we happened to elect Bythos for metempsychosis?

Jobastion

Rawkking Goodguy wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Replacement Victory!

So could we really have converted on the last day?

Yes.

So Job, what would have happened to you if we happened to elect Bythos for metempsychosis?

Well, if you'd elected ME for metempsychosis.
I would have still won. But I dunno regarding the fluff. Burnage?
And if you'd elected Arivia for metempsychosis.....
Rocks fall, everyone dies? Dunno, ask Burnage?

And dear god, what the hell is this color scheme on the redemption proboard. No wonder you guys lost. Who'd want to login and have to look at that to try to communicate.
Edit: and opening day one of your proboard, and it looks like consensus. You should not make proboards kime. That is bad.

Burnage

Jobastion wrote: »

Rawkking Goodguy wrote: »

Ringo wrote: »

Replacement Victory!

So could we really have converted on the last day?

Yes.

So Job, what would have happened to you if we happened to elect Bythos for metempsychosis?

Well, if you'd elected ME for metempsychosis.
I would have still won. But I dunno regarding the fluff. Burnage?
And if you'd elected Arivia for metempsychosis.....
Rocks fall, everyone dies? Dunno, ask Burnage?

If you'd been elected, you still would have wound up in the Asylum. If Arivia had been elected, it would have counted as destroying her and the Redeemed would have won (although the naive village and living players wouldn't have received a partial victory, and fluff-wise humanity would still be doomed).

Kay

I enjoyed what I played, and reading the narrations and suchlike after I was dead. (Alive?) Fun game, and different. I like different.

Also, Kime, you are mean to me. Suggesting that I die on day one? Harsh.

Spectrum

Well, either way, great game to watch Burnage.

LOVE that Day 1 twist. :^:

kime

We could have elected Arivia and won? Aw, we should've gone for that haha.

And Job, it's a wonderful color scheme! Meanie! Really though, the reason I did that was because in the past week and a half or so, the three phallas or minis or whatever I've been in, I was mafia in every one. It got kind of hard to keep proboards straight, so I tried to make them distinctive...

Kay: Shush you! I just know you're an excellent player, so wanted to get rid of you. *cough cough*, yeah, that's it...

Arivia

So I guess I'm just going to get day one'd on Burn-phallas from now on out.

Arivia

kime wrote: »

We could have elected Arivia and won? Aw, we should've gone for that haha.

And Job, it's a wonderful color scheme! Meanie! Really though, the reason I did that was because in the past week and a half or so, the three phallas or minis or whatever I've been in, I was mafia in every one. It got kind of hard to keep proboards straight, so I tried to make them distinctive...

Kay: Shush you! I just know you're an excellent player, so wanted to get rid of you. *cough cough*, yeah, that's it...

There was a reason I reread your role PM VERY CAREFULLY before sending my conversion in. Didn't want to tip my weakness.

garroad_ran

SimpsonsParadox wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge (I was just cruising these last few days, if you couldn't tell ) I was the only one to suggest that we damn the Redeemed and keep on trucking. I sort of had a reason for that

No, Toxic and Ringo basically made the exact same argument.

Burnage wrote: »

It was a ploy. I thought it was a neat idea at first, but when they just repeated that message every day I began to think they were somewhat wasting their anonymous message power.

I was trying to think of other things to use it on after day 2 when it became clear that Simpsonsparadox had sold us out, but came up short on ideas.

And yeah, I concur, thanks for running this Burnage, it was a lot of fun playing in it.

Faynor

More what ifs, Burnage.

Had I survived and attained Meta-whatever, as was my personal win condition, how would that have fared? Would humanity have prospered under my rule?!

Ringo

I'm pretty sure it says in Arivia's role PM that anybody who wasn't Redeemed was going to end up trapped in the asylum.

I almost PMed Burnage. I was so close. But then I wanted to see kime's head explode

Jobastion

Choice PM's will follow over the next few hours:
3:19pm today, to Daius. Redeemed, you may now blame him for failure ^_^

Spoiler:

Jobastion wrote:

But just for shits and giggles, try sending burnage a PM stating that you'd like to Join the Cult of Bythos.

I seriously have absolutely no idea if it will do anything.
If it works, then you win. YAY!
If it does nothing, then you lose nothing, and we remain at a partial impass.

Burnage sucks, that is all.

Actually, no, there is something else.... I suppose if it doesn't work, your best bet to win is to go ahead and convert to the redeemed, then try to convince ringo to convert (assuming he hasn't already and this isn't just a ploy - that'd be funny.)

I'm mostly doing this, entirely, in fact, because I absolutely refuse to see Shalmelo get the major and minor victory. I'm actually ok with the redeemed as a whole winning, but I don't want him on top, because he really did fuck the entire rest of the village, and moral highground... hell no, this is Phalla, and this this is a grudge. I don't do grudges. Last grudge I had was powerpuppies in RGH's, cause god damn. But I think this one's at least as worthy of a grudge, if not more so.
Plus, come on, I was trust worthy in RGH. Everyone came out happy in the end, (except rainfall and kay - and there was nothing I could do about Kay, since I didn't actually know he'd been redeemed, or corrupted... I don't remember which). And that's always my goal. As many victories as possible in a game, or as few losses as necessary.

Daius coulda revealed, everyone coulda gone home happy.

TheLawinator

Through my withdrawing, we won!

Ringo

You sir, are a hero this day