[Mini-Phalla] Redemption: Cult of Bythos wins!

Nocturne

Arivia wrote: »

So I guess I'm just going to get day one'd on Burn-phallas from now on out.

Sounds like you're a little burned out.

Arivia

Nocturne wrote: »

Arivia wrote: »

So I guess I'm just going to get day one'd on Burn-phallas from now on out.

Sounds like you're a little burned out.

Ha. No, seriously, though, I've been evil in the two of Burn's games I've been in and nowhere else.

Rawkking Goodguy

Burnage wrote: »

Thanks for playing, guys! Hope you all had fun!

Also; "most unfortunate player" award goes to Rawkking for twice in a row hitting the same targets as Kime, the ability destroyer. Awkward...

KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMEEEE

Though I certainly enjoyed being redeemed 10 minutes before voteoff, and it would have worked well for me if the redeemed had all voted for shalmelo.

Orange Soda

Being evil in burn games is awesome when you are Vlad

Delmain

Fuck yeah! We won!

Jobastion

Yee gods, its later than I meant to post these. But I just got done watching the season premier of house on DVR, and that was two hours well spent. So I promised some hilarious PM's, and here goes, in no particular order.

This from Daius, sunday afternoon.
It's what put him firmly in the suspicious catagory on my spreadsheet. Hey, you got a random upgrade? Everyone I know that gives out upgrades didn't use an ability on you. Except maybe Gumpy... SUSPICIOUS!
Furthermore, it's what lead to me killing gumpy, cause he never answered my question about who he used his power for on day one...

Spoiler:

Jobastion wrote:

Daius wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Hey, see anything interesting last night?

Ah, yes, great news. Some kind soul decided to upgrade my ability, so I can now seer people for their full ability info. Last night I targetted Ringo, and got learnt that he had this;

Small-talk: Each even day (2, 4) he may target a player, and learn the name of their role.

Syzygy : He is half of an incomplete whole, although he is uncertain as to who the other half might be. If either of them dies, the other will receive the deceased’s ability.

It seems like this upgrade is permanent. I'll be happy to investigate anyone who you suggest for tonight.

And I hope that info on Ringo helps.

SAAAWEEEET
So Rawkking Goodguy is supposed to have the ability to upgrade powers. But both people he's said he used it on now have 0 powers. . .
Depending on luck and happenstance, we're either going to escort him back to the land of the living tonight, or...
You can seer him.

If not them, then Faynor, Cleonicus, garroad_ran, Gonmun, and Gumpy, in order of powers I don't have a way to confirm/deny.

This is me lying to Rawkking, who is lying to me, who are both kinda feeding the a strange and odd combination of truth and lies to the bad guys up until Rawkking converted on his last day.

Spoiler:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

garroad_ran wrote:

Looks like you're falling to the vote, and I'm getting vigged.

Believe it or not, you can be saved.

The only question is, how far are you willing to go in order to stay dead?

Give me a list of specials to lie about. I think that's where he's going with this.

Well, I'll be damned. If that's true, I'm still running at a greater than 50% ratio on my evil/good targetting.
Hang a second, I'll whip something up.

Faynor
Gancanagh, the toxic Probable Vig a target if killed by a vig. Not vote affected.

Cleonicus
Coeus, the wrathful Probable Vote Maniup +3

Arivia
Dullahan the voiceful Access to all traits. Also, daily seer, traits only.

garroad_ran
Astrild, The Burning Probable Mechanics Seer - Non-narrative

SimpsonsParadox
Babalon Probable Odd Vig - Killed FatalError

He's asking about someone called "The Avatar". Have anything you can whip up about that?

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Oh man. Oh man oh man o man.

Tell them this: Gonmon is the Avatar, and Jobastion's just been calling his kills.

Well I messed up the lie, I should have had him keep me alive before telling him the info. Oh well, I'll die tonight and he'll be misled.

Here's gumpy sealing his own fate. Why did he tell me this, when he didn't use an ability to grant me a vig, and all role blockers were accounted for? I don't know.

Spoiler:

Jobastion wrote:

Gumpy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

In the event of my untimely departure, I provide this, a call sign.
I've chosen one fella to hold the weight of this on his head.
It's not jebus.

9870

ENJOY THE EXTRA VIG I GAVE YOU FOR IT IS DELICIOUS

I DID NOT GET AN EXTRA VIG IT WAS NOT DELICIOUS AND YES I CHECKED WITH BURNAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE!
O yah, I can't remember if I asked, or if I lost it. Who'd ya buff on day 1?

It's... sorta important. I've got someone that's received an upgrade in powers after day one, and I can't find, for the life of me, anything that would have caused that to happen. And that's driving me nuts. Ok, it's not that important. But it's driving me insane, and my desire to have spaces on my spreadsheet filled with words is starting to border on OCD here. Help me man. Help.

Spoiler:

I exaggerate to an extent.

Here's a nice combination of me fucking up and not killing Daius... and Ringo not seering daius. And we still both won. Go Us ;P

Spoiler:

Ringo wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Ringo wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Ringo wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Ringo wrote:

No actually, I just need a target to seer. Otherwise I guess I will go with scrivenerjones? Or... you?!?

I think it's close enough to the end here that I don't mind telling you what Scrivenerjones already knows (him having seer'd me on day one)
I'm Caen the Power.

I'm not sure whether to check Daius or Gonmon. Everyone else has been confirmed that I can tell to at least not have started as evil. Daius has at given correct information regarding what he does, but a good or bad guy could do what he does and not significantly affect things.
Gonmon's information is in narration. But could just be a bad guy causing narration to occur, as opposed to actually being a narrative seer. Sooo... yeah.

Well you'd seer the one that you aren't vigging, assuming Cleonicus, Daius, and Gonmun are your last three suspects. And you'd vig the one that has a lesser ability to help you (though at this point, who knows if either of them can help you).

As Cleonicus's identity actually came from your counterpart, unless Jones was converted, Cleo's WAAAAYY beyond the level of suspect, and more in the range of guilty as sin...
daius and Gonmon though... eh.
It's a mechanic seer vs an ability seer. . .
Ah actually, just made up my mind on that one. Thanks. Sometimes throwing things out there helps with the process of deduction, and I might not know which one is more likely to be evil, but I do know which one is more useful.

Yes but you forgot to tell me which one to seer.

Hilariously, I changed my mind again. I forgot that one of them is a NARATIVE seer. And with tomorrow being the last day... even if they die their power still gets used and shows up. And if they're good, then we know we can trust the results. If they're evil... Yay!

So Seer Daius.

Well I was gone up until right now, so I missed the chance (should've just submitted one instead of waiting for a reply urgh) so no seerage last night. Which sucks because I'd say that error pretty much disqualifies me from Metempsychosis.

And finally, the Shalmelo incident:
Keeping in mind that I had never actually seen Kime's FULL role with fluff included. So I didn't know it was all "emo wah wah we got our ass kicked by god"
This being where I A: bitch him out. And B: yet again inform the Redeemed that I am not god, and even provide my true role. Your failure to believe me multiple times, it were a failure.

Spoiler:

shalmelo wrote:

You know, if you had told me that you were the disciple just a bit sooner, I wouldn't have felt the need to do ANY of this, right? You wouldn't even have had to reveal who God actually was. Seems like we both were withholding information. I only did this in the first place because I was so paranoid about the Avatar winning. I've been repeatedly burned lately by corrupt network heads with a personal win condition.

Course, if you ARE the disciple, you could always join me and win...offer's still open.

Jobastion wrote:

:?
I... I hates you so much. You saw Delmain's win condition right?

We've been village aligned the entire game! More importantly, I HAD, note HAD, the same damn win condition... including that super important bit at the end that would have allowed me to infiltrate the redeemed and finish the job.
Yea, I know, they probably would have thought their conversion meter was broken when I "Joined" them, but yes, I would have sent my disci...wait... I am the disciple.
Hi, my name is Cean the Power, and I'm not god.
God, however, would have infiltrated it, and reamed them from the inside out.

So, GG sir. Singlehanded village loss? You done it in spades.
The only thing worse that this, is now I'll be torn at the 2010 Phalla Awards from Nomination you for this, or Nominating Powerpuppies for Rolling Green Hills...
Hm... if the catagories are seperate, village / mafia, then I can do both, I guess.

So now's the point where I point out the worst part of this plan though.

I should have at minimum, 5 on my side ^_^
There's only a total of 9 that can vote.
That math, that sir is not good for team redeemed.

shalmelo wrote:

Heh, figured it would be worth a try. Guess you still have another disciple in tow, eh? Should have guessed.

Anyway, if you saw my full message, I told the entire truth as I understood it - I was totally on board with winning with you, I just didn't think it was possible anymore. I do think you've done a good job, but reading delmain's role PM led me to believe that giving you too much power would be devastating.

I am not one of the original Redeemed. Technically, I'm still not a member of the Redeemed actually - was waiting to see if my plan gained any traction before I went to confirmation classes, so to speak.

So yeah, I'll accept your grudge, but believe me when I say that I wanted to win with you. Betrayal was always meant to be plan B...

Jobastion wrote:

I have been informed of your epic betrayal, and am displeased.

I do not <3 you so much.

SO MUCH!

Also, assuming you are not one of the Original redeemed, this latter bit should be read in a very sarcastic overtone:
Thanks for not passing that info along. Really swell there sir.

I actually had an ability that, had I known that, would have won the game for the village. Straight up. No contest full on village beat the mafia super victory.

Thanks... :? :?

In related news, did I mention I'm not god? Vote Jobastion 2009!
Hilarity, I guarentee, would ensue.

Mainly I was upset because at the time Shalmelo withheld that info about conversions, he had cold, hard evidence that his win condition and my win condition were identical (or close enough that it shouldn't have mattered)... and he decided to try to play the game. And you just lost the game.

Spoiler:

I am so sorry.

Rawkking Goodguy

Jobastion wrote: »

This is me lying to Rawkking, who is lying to me, who are both kinda feeding the a strange and odd combination of truth and lies to the bad guys up until Rawkking converted on his last day.

Spoiler:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

garroad_ran wrote:

Looks like you're falling to the vote, and I'm getting vigged.

Believe it or not, you can be saved.

The only question is, how far are you willing to go in order to stay dead?

Give me a list of specials to lie about. I think that's where he's going with this.

Well, I'll be damned. If that's true, I'm still running at a greater than 50% ratio on my evil/good targetting.
Hang a second, I'll whip something up.

Faynor
Gancanagh, the toxic Probable Vig a target if killed by a vig. Not vote affected.

Cleonicus
Coeus, the wrathful Probable Vote Maniup +3

Arivia
Dullahan the voiceful Access to all traits. Also, daily seer, traits only.

garroad_ran
Astrild, The Burning Probable Mechanics Seer - Non-narrative

SimpsonsParadox
Babalon Probable Odd Vig - Killed FatalError

He's asking about someone called "The Avatar". Have anything you can whip up about that?

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Oh man. Oh man oh man o man.

Tell them this: Gonmon is the Avatar, and Jobastion's just been calling his kills.

Well I messed up the lie, I should have had him keep me alive before telling him the info. Oh well, I'll die tonight and he'll be misled.

Actually, the entire conversation here I am being 100% loyal and honest to you, and have yet to be converted. I genuinely screwed up the way I presented the lie about the avatar (not that it mattered, as Gonmun ended up being a redeemed and we didn't know about the avatar being able to fake-join the redeemed). I was converted 15 minutes before vote close, after this convo occured, and the only message I sent you as a redeemed (and thus now disloyal) was the one asking you to take the vote off me.

Jobastion

Rawkking Goodguy wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

This is me lying to Rawkking, who is lying to me, who are both kinda feeding the a strange and odd combination of truth and lies to the bad guys up until Rawkking converted on his last day.

Spoiler:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

garroad_ran wrote:

Looks like you're falling to the vote, and I'm getting vigged.

Believe it or not, you can be saved.

The only question is, how far are you willing to go in order to stay dead?

Give me a list of specials to lie about. I think that's where he's going with this.

Well, I'll be damned. If that's true, I'm still running at a greater than 50% ratio on my evil/good targetting.
Hang a second, I'll whip something up.

Faynor
Gancanagh, the toxic Probable Vig a target if killed by a vig. Not vote affected.

Cleonicus
Coeus, the wrathful Probable Vote Maniup +3

Arivia
Dullahan the voiceful Access to all traits. Also, daily seer, traits only.

garroad_ran
Astrild, The Burning Probable Mechanics Seer - Non-narrative

SimpsonsParadox
Babalon Probable Odd Vig - Killed FatalError

He's asking about someone called "The Avatar". Have anything you can whip up about that?

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Oh man. Oh man oh man o man.

Tell them this: Gonmon is the Avatar, and Jobastion's just been calling his kills.

Well I messed up the lie, I should have had him keep me alive before telling him the info. Oh well, I'll die tonight and he'll be misled.

Actually, the entire conversation here I am being 100% loyal and honest to you, and have yet to be converted. I genuinely screwed up the way I presented the lie about the avatar (not that it mattered, as Gonmun ended up being a redeemed and we didn't know about the avatar being able to fake-join the redeemed). I was converted 15 minutes before vote close, after this convo occured, and the only message I sent you as a redeemed (and thus now disloyal) was the one asking you to take the vote off me.

I would fix it. But I'm lazy. But yeah, I read the proboards, and you are absolutely right. You didn't actually tell them that I was lying until you had officially converted, and then that's what you were supposed to do. It worked well, I think. Except Gonmun wasn't a redeemed, he was village. I don't know why they told you that.

Gumpy

So, you want to nominate a villager for the Phalla awards for actually working out what was going on?

Gotcha.

garroad_ran

Oh Jobastion, I can't speak for everybody, but I was certainly under no real impressions that you were the Avatar, and I don't think the rest of the Redeemed were either, else there would've been a lot more calling for your death in the Proboards.

During the last day we basically started using Jobastion and Avatar interchangeably, but that was mainly because at that point it didn't matter who it was anymore.

And wtf was with mafia members not sharing info on the proboards this game? Arggghhhh, worst mafia.

Gonmun

Physical core dumps on a home laptop suck ass...and Job, wth?!

Gonmun

Jobastion wrote: »

Rawkking Goodguy wrote: »

Jobastion wrote: »

This is me lying to Rawkking, who is lying to me, who are both kinda feeding the a strange and odd combination of truth and lies to the bad guys up until Rawkking converted on his last day.

Spoiler:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

Jobastion wrote:

Rawkking Goodguy wrote:

garroad_ran wrote:

Looks like you're falling to the vote, and I'm getting vigged.

Believe it or not, you can be saved.

The only question is, how far are you willing to go in order to stay dead?

Give me a list of specials to lie about. I think that's where he's going with this.

Well, I'll be damned. If that's true, I'm still running at a greater than 50% ratio on my evil/good targetting.
Hang a second, I'll whip something up.

Faynor
Gancanagh, the toxic Probable Vig a target if killed by a vig. Not vote affected.

Cleonicus
Coeus, the wrathful Probable Vote Maniup +3

Arivia
Dullahan the voiceful Access to all traits. Also, daily seer, traits only.

garroad_ran
Astrild, The Burning Probable Mechanics Seer - Non-narrative

SimpsonsParadox
Babalon Probable Odd Vig - Killed FatalError

He's asking about someone called "The Avatar". Have anything you can whip up about that?

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Oh man. Oh man oh man o man.

Tell them this: Gonmon is the Avatar, and Jobastion's just been calling his kills.

Well I messed up the lie, I should have had him keep me alive before telling him the info. Oh well, I'll die tonight and he'll be misled.

Actually, the entire conversation here I am being 100% loyal and honest to you, and have yet to be converted. I genuinely screwed up the way I presented the lie about the avatar (not that it mattered, as Gonmun ended up being a redeemed and we didn't know about the avatar being able to fake-join the redeemed). I was converted 15 minutes before vote close, after this convo occured, and the only message I sent you as a redeemed (and thus now disloyal) was the one asking you to take the vote off me.

I would fix it. But I'm lazy. But yeah, I read the proboards, and you are absolutely right. You didn't actually tell them that I was lying until you had officially converted, and then that's what you were supposed to do. It worked well, I think. Except Gonmun wasn't a redeemed, he was village. I don't know why they told you that.

I was indeed village. The whoel time though I had forwarded a PM that I had been sent asking if I wanted to be converted.

All those little questions you saw that asked Elder in the narration. That was me.

Jobastion

Gumpy wrote: »

So, you want to nominate a villager for the Phalla awards for actually working out what was going on?

Gotcha.

Well, he hadn't converted yet, which meant his win condition = village win condition = my win condition.
When your win condition matches everyone else, you're supposed to work together to win, not hide things and keep a pocket option for yourself.
To quote Kime
"You always play towards your win, which apparently is a difficult concept."
If he'd converted that day, then I'd be cool with it. Having not converted though, he really did doom all of the villagers. And by that fifth day, I knew I wouldn't lose, I was just really angry that everyone that I had worked with was going to lose.
(And I didn't know for sure if voting redeemed would get a win for everyone, or just for the redeemed, so wasn't going that way with only shalmelo on the voting block for their side)
But I'm over it.
Cause he did have more lore available of the "bad guys" then I actually did. It was a semi rational decision. I disagree with it, obviously, but I can see the merits of it.

And sorry Gonmon, I had you, and Daius, and clearly I made the right choice from a mechanics perspective... but the wrong choice entirely. Biggest F'up I made in the game I think.

And Burnage, this was really fun. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Gnosticism for the crazy.

Gumpy

Jobastion wrote: »

Gumpy wrote: »

So, you want to nominate a villager for the Phalla awards for actually working out what was going on?

Gotcha.

Well, he hadn't converted yet, which meant his win condition = village win condition = my win condition.

Your win saw the entire village lose :winky:

Rawkking Goodguy

Yeah, redeemed win condition would have resulted in a village victory, except for the hidden redeemed win condition which even we didn't know about of voting the avatar for metempsychosis. Of course, the village couldn't quite tell that until the last day when it become a lot more apparent, though not in an explicit, hold-your-hand way.

Gonmun

So,

Here was my role...

Spoiler:

You are Ceridwen, the knowledgeable.

You have embraced death, and a veil has been lifted.

Your soul is a manifestation of the archetypal wise woman; you are destined to spend your lives engaging in discourse and teaching. It is who you are, and it is the ideal that you would lead humanity towards should you be chosen for the procedure of Metempsychosis. The only thing stopping you, it would seem, is the presence of the so-called “Redeemed”.

You know little about them, but it is clear that they must be stopped.

You have the following trait; Patience.

You have the following ability; Public Knowledge: Each day, you may ask me a question. Both the question and answer will be published in the narration that night, although not the identity of who asked it. PM me your question.

You have the following personal win condition; Ensure that you are voted for the procedure of Metempsychosis.
You have the following primary win condition: Destroy the Redeemed.
These win conditions may change, but you are uncertain how.

Jo, did you think I had been converted or something?

Jobastion

Gonmun wrote: »

So,

Here was my role...

Spoiler:

You are Ceridwen, the knowledgeable.

You have embraced death, and a veil has been lifted.

Your soul is a manifestation of the archetypal wise woman; you are destined to spend your lives engaging in discourse and teaching. It is who you are, and it is the ideal that you would lead humanity towards should you be chosen for the procedure of Metempsychosis. The only thing stopping you, it would seem, is the presence of the so-called “Redeemed”.

You know little about them, but it is clear that they must be stopped.

You have the following trait; Patience.

You have the following ability; Public Knowledge: Each day, you may ask me a question. Both the question and answer will be published in the narration that night, although not the identity of who asked it. PM me your question.

You have the following personal win condition; Ensure that you are voted for the procedure of Metempsychosis.
You have the following primary win condition: Destroy the Redeemed.
These win conditions may change, but you are uncertain how.

Jo, did you think I had been converted or something?

Honestly, I had no idea. I was about 50/50 you or daius.
I had you killed because if you weren't converted, then we could be sure the narrations were true, and that the count was accurate. If you were converted, we would know the opposite.
Daius was just a crappy role seer, and since I knew 99% of the roles anyway, I gained nothing by confirming that he was good thru death. Logic... it's a bad thing sometimes.
I had actually set out to do it the other way, cause I was thinking hey, you're useful. Then I slept on it, and came to the unfortunate realization that since day 5 was the last day, whether or not you died, your narrative mechanic would still work... That was a bad choice, in retrospect.

Gumpy wrote:

Your win saw the entire village lose

Burnage said the village would have gotten a win if they had killed the redeemed. It was only because of a technicality that they lost.

Spoiler:

Technically, my god is evil ^_^
Hi5 Arivia!