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Forget it, Jake! It's [Star Wars].
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I love this post. And I've gotta agree, when the mechanics and rules behind supernatural things are defined, it's more interesting. It gives room to coming up with inventive work-arounds of mechanics, or bending of rules. I've never considered it before, but the Force being highly undefined makes it uninteresting. In a sort of ironic turn of events, Lucas has put the Force's workings in the middleground - it took the EU (specifically, The Force Unleashed) to see the "holy shit" side of the Force, and it takes my playstyle choices in KotOR to see the subtle side of it.
Also, in regard to the films and the representation of old people fighting... It was a choreography problem in the first film; he didn't exactly have the funding to train these guys to have a good fight. The problem was Lucas' decision to explain it with them being old.
This is where the failure is at - his responsibility at this point was to make it a point of continuity in the later films.
One of these days, a thorough examination of the Force's gray-area will be represented in a video game or movie. I believe it's been talked about in books already (Jacen Solo I think; I haven't read any books for a long time).
It's not just the gray areas of the force, it's the fact that the force itself drives conflict, and the moral issues thereof.
You mean like how religion makes people do stupid shit? Yeah. That's a good theme to bring into the Star Wars context.
Disclaimer: I am a Christian/Catholic/something, not knocking religion.
Why for? Don't worry, I'm not going to be like "RAWR YOU SUCK WTF IS RONG WIT U." I do that at my friend who hasn't seen the movies at all.
my mom fell asleep during the midnight showing of Ep I, so I guess I'm in the clear too.
Don't worry, you're not alone. I don't mind episode 1, aside from Jar-Jar and the race. Episode 3 also has a mix of good and bad I think (part of the good being the opening sequence of the rescue of the Chancellor).
Episode 2 though doesn't really have redeeming factors.
They're alright for a fun viewing, I suppose. But they're terribly acted, terribly scripted, everything is one giant obvious foreshadow and so intentionally in your face that what charm they may have had gets lost in the utter ridiculousness of the completely unbelievable reactions.
Within days a smuggler who has ALWAYS been a loner somehow becomes your go-to-guy when you're deep in the shit? The character development is shit.
Seriously. Fuck that garbage.
I enjoyed the "prequels" much more on an entertainment dollar than the others. They were equally shitty, but at least they looked cool...sometimes.
are you talking about Boba Fett? because if you are that's not accurate, and if you're not I don't know what you're talking about.
Sorry, smuggler. Smuggler, bounty hunter, jawa rider...I don't really care what they're called. Harrison Ford guy.
still... what you're saying isn't really accurate. Han shows up at the end of the ep 4 battle and obviously stays. makes a big name for himself helping with the destruction of the enemies ultimate weapon. understandable. also he's obviously very close to the princess. and as far as the go-to guy, that happens in jedi. so you have like 10 years of development, though it's off screen, to explain him going from new guy who blew up the death star (and got honored at the end, obviously highly respected) to being purposely selected as a leader.
makes sense to me.
No. He shows up at the end of Episode 4 after having just been with that "crew" for a few days. His help in the destruction of the death star was based on absolutely nothing. He just...showed up. Why? Dude was a fucking loner who had known those rebels a whole week, maybe.
Dude is a stone cold killer as predicated by his bar scene. A loner stone cold killer is the hero. No, sorry. I like the whole flawed hero bit as much as the rest, but that shit is way over the line of believable.
Or maybe he considered Luke a, you know, friend.
This neo-feudalism would be more tolerable if our betters had fancy titles.
So people change because of some terrible speech? More of that in-your face foreshadowing. I hate it.
And no, a guy who is clearly in his 30's doesn't change in a week.
Stop pushing this argument towards extremism. I never said people don't change EVER!!!!! Just stop.
A LONER WHO KILLS ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT HIM DOESN'T CONSIDER SOME PISSANT FARM BOY A FRIEND AFTER A FEW DAYS ON HIS SHIP. IT IS NOT BELIEVABLE. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT.
I don't like Star Wars. I find it terribly boring and horribly bad. You like it and don't find it terribly boring and bad. That's fine. Neither of our opinions are going to change. The movies, however, are campy any way you want to look at it and should never be considering "great" movies.
Goddamn it, I actually agree on the Han Solo point.
hahaha are you joking now? this just got retarded...
edit - he doesn't kill anyone who looks at him. he kills someone sent to kill him, sure. you act as though we have hours and hours of footage of this guy being a brutal asshole and then all of a sudden he changes... that's not the case. we have a guy who is out for hire, gets hired by a group, goes through an intense experience on the death star, is reminded that they are an extremely small band fighting a fight he agrees with against an enemy who now wants him dead too, and in the end decides he should help them out.
that's ridiculous to you? what movies do you enjoy?
edit 2 - ALWAYS been a loner. if you define a loner as someone who has a partner then yeah I guess. and if you define always as the ten minutes he's on screen before luke, obi wan, r2, and 3po join him.
No, the movies are retarded which requires you to be equally as retarded in defending them. They continuously do things out of their intended characteristics-and it's not intentional, it's to make the problem have a solution. And that is never good.
P.S WHY did Obi-Wan not just force run (or...you know, a thousand other things) to meet up with them instead of sacrifice himself to Darth. He sacrificed himself to advance the plot. Once again, a terribly poor decision in writing.
Let alone everyone knew the ending of the damn thing. I was hoping that, despite knowing how things turn out, Lucas would include a new surprise. And he fucking didn't.
the movies sucked but it's not like the foreshadowing was meant to be anything but obvious... as you say, we knew what was gonna happen.
edit - crayon read my above edit if you want. you seem like a bit of a prick though, but I guess you proved Star Wars sucks so good job.
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
This neo-feudalism would be more tolerable if our betters had fancy titles.
He became a ghost. That's it. Not terribly powerful.
but I guess you'll say why couldn't he do that alive? once again, proof that the movies sucked. go crayon.
The point about him killing anyone who looks at him was hyerbole. It was meant to convey a guy who solves just about everything with pew pew.
He has no friends outside of a giant furball. That's it. No friends. None. Zero. He has connections and that's it. Hell, the only "friend" you see of his betrays him anyways. He's a loner. I also know this because I have a friend who is obsessed with the expanded universe stuff and he even admits that without the expanded universe the movies are kind of shit on their own.
Yes, often times I risk my life for people I've known a few days. Happens all the time.
edit - actually Han has the most friends of any of the principle characters when we first meet him.
EDIT I mean come on without the expanded universe the movies are kind of shit <---- A++++++ Troll Materiel, Would Read Again!
Why COULDN'T he have done both of those while alive?
The Stormtroopers were blocking the exit.
I hear force run gets past things. I've also seen it!
He helped blowing up the death star...by telling him he could do it? AWESOME POWERS!
If he was alive, he wouldn't have fit into the X-Wing.
When does anyone do that ever in the OT?
That's why people have radios.
Aaand that's why any new movie really ought to go the route of the new Star Trek movie: A total reboot. A complete re-imagining. Nostalgic and familiar - but still totally new territory with a new look, new styles, new story - everything.