Crackdown 2: I can see my house from here.

Local H Jay

it's better, mostly. there are multiple hand to hand moves now, not just the same combo over and over. the combos are also longer and you can really go nuts on people. also objects you hold can be used as weapons, such as cars smashed into the ground like the hulk.
also the jumping and climbing are a bit smoother. you can grab onto things a smidge easier now, making for some awesome ninja like scaling of buildings. the buildings also feel bigger for some reason, possibly because you start out so weak.
ALSO I LOVE THE CRACKS IN THE GROUND WHEN YOU FALL FROM HIGH UP
that always bugged me in the last one

FyreWulff

Ran into a weird bug earlier with Ratsult and Lookfreegrenade. Our framerate was tanking (around 5fps). Discovered that a guy had died and his body was spewing a literal foundtain of guns and grenades. Like, imagine a hose. And that hose is being used to spray guns and grenades everywhere.

An AI truck came by and actually pushed the fountain along the road, I think it went away when the guy's body despawned.

Evil Multifarious

wow

this is the most hideous and boring thing ever

i am shocked at how last-gen this game is

exoplasm

FyreWulff wrote: »

Ran into a weird bug earlier with Ratsult and Lookfreegrenade. Our framerate was tanking (around 5fps). Discovered that a guy had died and his body was spewing a literal foundtain of guns and grenades. Like, imagine a hose. And that hose is being used to spray guns and grenades everywhere.

An AI truck came by and actually pushed the fountain along the road, I think it went away when the guy's body despawned.

This sounds like the best bug ever. I need to get on this demo business.

Omeks

Just played the demo for a second time. These guys really know how to make a demo.

There's so much to do and only 30 minutes. I start to go around the capture Cell strongholds/drop points and I get completely sidetracked by collecting agility orbs, and then get sidetracked by getting absorption points, then get sidetracked by renegade orbs, than get sidetracked by skill building, than get sidetracked byHOLY SHIT THERE'S A MINUTE LEFT!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO....

The achievements also seem really difficult. I've done two playthroughs and I haven't gotten a thing.

Delta Assault

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

And to the person before complaining about the lockon....just don't use it. o_O If you don't hit LT then you won't lockon but you can still shoot without locking on. Problem solved.

But then the shooting sucks.

tofu

Delta Assault wrote: »

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

And to the person before complaining about the lockon....just don't use it. o_O If you don't hit LT then you won't lockon but you can still shoot without locking on. Problem solved.

But then the shooting sucks.

I love the little o_O, like it's crazy to criticize the game for something that you could just avoid using.

EtherealWalrus

Oh man. The UV shotgun is my new "annoythehelloutoffriends" gun. Just go up to a rooftop to clear a stronghold or whatever...then watch as your friends ragdoll into the distance. <3

The Dude With Herpes

tofu wrote: »

Delta Assault wrote: »

The Dude With Herpes wrote: »

And to the person before complaining about the lockon....just don't use it. o_O If you don't hit LT then you won't lockon but you can still shoot without locking on. Problem solved.

But then the shooting sucks.

I love the little o_O, like it's crazy to criticize the game for something that you could just avoid using.

Well its just not surprising that it is a central function to the game considering that the lockon was in Crackdown also.

It is safe to say that if someone didn't like Crackdown they're certainly not going to like Crackdown 2.

And if you made it through all of Crackdown, lockon and all, it is a bit silly to criticize the game for a feature that is pretty basic to the gameplay of the series thus far.

Maybe guy didn't play the first game, I don't know? In my mind it's the same as the people playing Fallout 3 and bitching about how much they hate VATS and wish the FPS was better.

It's not the point.

MrVyngaard

Anyone on XBL want to team up and run amok in the demo? I'm liking this more the second time around, after I've re-familiarized myself with it again.

Shady3011

I will buy this at $20. The lock-on is shit.

DJ Cam Cam

Anyone want to play this? My XBL tag is CamCamJelly

Mechanical

This is pretty awesome. It's not taking a lot of risks, but it's still awesome.

Also, the upgraded light gray armor looks all kinds of badass.

hatedinamerica

Okay, played the demo twice now and man, I'm really not that impressed. Technically speaking, it's practically just like Crackdown so I should love it...but....I've come to realize that I tend to value innovation over perfection.

Crackdown innovated...somewhat; just enough for me to love it. But this...this is basically just Crackdown again (I know, I know), and with all the amazing releases in the frustratingly ambiguous "open-world" genre lately, this light uprgade of an already obsoleted game (obsoletion via: Prototype, Just Cause 2, Red Dead Redemption etc. etc.) just kind of falls flat for me.


That said, I already pre-ordered it on Amazon because I had some game credits there, so I fully intend to play the whole thing and probably even enjoy it. I just don't anticipate keeping it around for long unless at least one of my friends gets it. I imagine that the multiplayer will be what really makes it in the long run.

Zoku Gojira

I played the hell out of EDF:2017 and loved every minute of it. So I can take last-gen or early-this-gen graphics if the gameplay is good.

And with Crackdown 2, I can definitely see the appeal of leveling up and slowly taking back the city. Two main concerns, though...

The game seems to hint that if I leave a newly cleared area alone, it will be retaken. What do I have to do to prevent this? Because taking back the city block by block is only fun if I don't end up fighting over that same turf again and again.

Targeting. The lock on in this game seems to have a hard-on for unoccupied vehicles. While the two enemies who just got out are blasting away at me with submachineguns.

hatedinamerica wrote: »

(obsoletion via: Prototype, Just Cause 2, Red Dead Redemption etc. etc.) just kind of falls flat for me.

The Just Cause 2 comparison probably isn't too fitting. Having just restarted JC2 on Hardcore and given up all my upgraded weapons and vehicles, I can tell you, it's basically the same experience as I had with all that stuff available to me. 99% of the time I'm still just flying around with the parachute using the SMG. And the map is littered with all the vehicles I could want, anyway. Crackdown's appeal, and Crackdown 2 by extension, appears to be leveling up your agent to the point that you can crush all the enemies who gave you trouble early on.

Prototype seems like an apt comparison, but the problem in that game was the repetitiveness if the attacks. Tendril comes out, tendril wrecks shit. I'm probably not the expert on Crackdown, having not played it a great deal, but I get a sense that there's a decent weapon variety, along with vehicles and such.

Sorenson

Zoku Gojira wrote: »

I'm probably not the expert on Crackdown, having not played it a great deal, but I get a sense that there's a decent weapon variety, along with vehicles and such.

On that note, I wonder how much they've done to encourage dudes to go with a wide variety of weapons besides a normal/UV mix. In the original it was pretty much Heavy Machine Gun+Homing Rocket Launcher, the first of which you got relativel early and could carry you all the way to the second. Some kind of a weapon upgrade/tweaking system where you can eventually turn even the humble Ditka into a head-popping powerhouse would be nice.

Threepio

I'm totally up for a few rounds, so feel free to add Threepio if you don't mind.

Sorenson

Ahaha, FINALLY got Wang for Psyche Out, and it only took me three tries on solo to do it! Lucky throw with a limpit charge threw his ass off the roof, and two fireflies later, *bing*. Man, I looooove limpit charges. <3

Also, interesting tidbit related to Crackdown 2 I noticed while playing:

Spoiler:

You know how when you place the first beacon thing in the underground lair there're some goodie lying around, marked on the map? They're marked with the Shai-Gen emblem. Sort of makes sense with the UV shotgun there since seeing as they made the Freaks they probably also developed specific anti-Freak weaponry.

LockeCole

I wasn't really sold on this game until I tried out 4player Co-op in the demo - holy crap this is 18 flavors of fun.

Local H Jay

so i have 8/10 demo achievements so far.
i need the car juggling with UV guns one and pincushion. the juggling one is just flat out tough and is likely going to be luck when we do nail it. pincushion is only hard because i have yet to find a good way to level up guns quickly. i gotta be level 4 before you get the harpoon gun needed for that one.

UnbreakableVow

You guys hate the graphics that much?

They didn't even look that bad at all to me honestly

FuriousJodo

I think the graphics are just fine, not sure where the complaints there are coming from. Runs smooth and looks good. I don't think it's supposed to be photorealistic or anything.

Sorenson

It's not so much that some of us hate the new art style as it is we found the old one's bright and distinguishing poppy setup so endearing, especially considering this was during the height/higher period of the whole real-is-brown thing. Having played the demo a few times I can understand and appreciate some of the changes they made to both the UI and the art as a whole, I just prefer that comic-book inspired setup from the first game.

EDIT: And the revamp for the agent armor evolution they did is absolutly bitchin'. Glowing-plexiglass-visored-oppresser-of-[strike]freedom[/strike]criminals, hoooo!

Local H Jay

if you liked bright colors turn up the gamma in game settings
TADAH

but seriously it's a fine looking game, nothing amazing but really all i wanted was more crackdown with 4 player co-op. then they added in fun melee combat and a good new enemy type and holy shit i want it now

Tommatt

I know checking the XBL marketplace would be easiest but away form an xbox for a couple hours, but did i read that the demo is EU only right now?

Sorenson

No, NA's got it too, gold only though.

EDIT: Oh man, driving under the highway and along the main streets after sunset is soooooo therapeutic, just splash-splish-splosh-ROLF-splat. And it looks like Peacekeepers make use of the special agency vehicles this time around too, saw a dude zipping around in a buggy mowin' shit down left and right. God help us when they start driving tanks, though.

Melee really feels weird, though: you can't use the Roundhouse o' Doom when locked on anymore, and trying to combo dudes in melee is hit or miss since the game only seems to get the general gist of where you want to attack but doesn't go for the enemy in that exact zone.

Tommatt

Sorenson wrote: »

No, NA's got it too, gold only though.

EDIT: Oh man, driving under the highway and along the main streets after sunset is soooooo therapeutic, just splash-splish-splosh-ROLF-splat. And it looks like Peacekeepers make use of the special agency vehicles this time around too, saw a dude zipping around in a buggy mowin' shit down left and right. God help us when they start driving tanks, though.

Melee really feels weird, though: you can't use the Roundhouse o' Doom when locked on anymore, and trying to combo dudes in melee is hit or miss since the game only seems to get the general gist of where you want to attack but doesn't go for the enemy in that exact zone.

Great news, just got home and was grabbing a smoke before figuring out what to do. Bout to go download it!

Sorenson

Heh, so it looks like there's stuff that pops up after you clear out certain strongholds:

Spoiler:

I did that one that's at the east end of the docks, and sauntered over to a nearby Cell hangout to mess around a bit - it's the one where it's like a firing range, 4 or so dudes and a car or two, contained within a 3-walled brick thing - and came across CRAZAH JOE'S CAR DEALERSHIP (free fuzzy dice!) instead.

Spoiler:

"This car is a car meant for one man, and that man is dead!"

I wonder how much stuff like this pops up after wiping strongholds, and if there's combos like if you do both strongholds and activate the beacon in that area.

Next up, time to give coptorjacking a try.

UnbreakableVow

I mean

The city has totally gone downhill

It's not gonna be all relatively sunshine lollipops and rainbows everywhere like the first game was

Shady3011

The glide doesn't seem as useful as it is in Prototype. Then again, I didn't try going really high and gliding from there.

Pilgrim

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about, there's nothing wrong with these graphics.

Tommatt

Feels like crackdown, will be awesome, buying

Moorening

Shady3011 wrote: »

The glide doesn't seem as useful as it is in Prototype. Then again, I didn't try going really high and gliding from there.

I couldn't get the glide to do anything. Am I missing a pick up or something?

Pilgrim

I think this demo could stand to be a little longer, I can barely get started before time runs out.

Grimthwacker

It honestly feels good to be back in Pacific City after a long time away. The basic gameplay is still fun, rampaging around never gets old, and I like the fact that there are actual statistics attached to the weapons now - most guns in the original were nigh useless once you got the heavy machine gun and Firefly launcher. Should be fun to mess around with three other people; I missed out on the original's co-op play. Most of all it seems like there's going to be some actual structure to the game now with the Agency doling out primary and secondary objectives rather than having the one overarching objective of eliminating the gang leaders. I'm looking forward to it.

SilkyNumNuts

Wait, I missed something. Is there a demo?

Quake Matt

I ditched the machine gun pretty quickly in the original; swapped it out for the scoped Shai-gen pistol and headshotted my way through the crowd.

My only real complaints so far are that the city seems much emptier than before - so few civvies to get involved in my Agency hi-jinks - and melee attacks don't pack quite the same whallop as they used to. Perhaps that changes further into the game, though, since I've only hit strength 3 so far.

Sorenson

All right dudes, I went and whipped up a Crackdown metatag for us to use to make shit way easier. Send a request to PA Crackdown and make sure you shoot me a PM on the board so you don't slip under the radar or something.

EDIT: By the way, if anyone needs to get the full co-op mission achievement for the first game I just resurrected and intel'd all the targets, so shoot me a message or something on-console and I'll boot 'er up.

Grimthwacker

SilkyNumNuts wrote: »

Wait, I missed something. Is there a demo?

Just got released; it's a 30-minute timed demo like the original, giving you a taste of everything just like before. You can also earn a couple of achievements in the demo that will be unlocked once you get the full game. Best of all: 4-player co-op is enabled.

SilkyNumNuts

... I need some proper internets back