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[Let's Play] MoO 2: Update 1: Stepping Out into The Stars

Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
edited October 2009 in Games and Technology
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Welcome to Let's Play Master of Orion 2!

What is Master of Orion 2?
Master of Orion 2 (henceforth MoO2) was developed by Microprose and published by Interplay in 1996. It's the sequel to the seminal Master of Orion (MoO), both of which are space-based 4X Turn-Based Strategy games.

Due to rights issues when Interplay went belly-up, no further games in the series have been produced. (No, you're wrong, there haven't. Shut up. Seriously, don't say a fucking word or I'll stab you in the face.)

What are the big differences between MoO and MoO2?
Not at all guaranteed to be comprehensive, as I don't have tons of experience with MoO:
  • MoO used sliders; MoO2 uses CivII-style little people. (This is an absurdly big hangup for some people, which I don't really understand.)
  • Systems can have more than one planet.
  • Antarans! The Antarans are new to MoO2, and are basically giant assholes that got banished to extra-dimensional space and now occasionally pop back in to our dimension to fuck shit up because they are assholes. One of the possible win conditions for MoO2 is to travel to the Antaran homeworld and blow them the hell up.
  • Research direction is under much further player control than in MoO, from what I remember.
  • MoO2 is in glorious SVGA color and 640x480 resolution!
  • A bunch more races, along with the option to create your own.

Screenshots or Video?
Video would be boring as hell, so we'll be working with screenshots.

What's your update schedule?
Hopefully, I'll have a big update every other day or so.

How can I participate?
I'm glad you asked! Throughout the game there'll be various points where I'll ask for the forum's input - probably on significant military, colonization, or research decision points. These questions will be asked in bold orange; I'd ask that you reply in the same way so as to make it easier for me to catch. Additionally, I need names for star systems, which will be used on a first-come, first serve basis. (With one caveat: The home system is Arcadia.) Please put planet names in bold yellow for the same reason.

With all that out of the way, let's get this show on the road:

Update 0: In The Beginning...
Spoiler:

Update 1: Stepping Out Into the Stars

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    8 players, a man's game!
    Want to keep the annoying AI races around, so let's go Mrrshan.
    Red for the flag
    And finally:
    +100% population growth (6), Democracy (7), Subterranean (6), Large Homeworld (1), -10 Ground Combat (-2), Poor Home World (-1), Low-G Homeworld (-5), -20 Ship Attack (-2)


    Spathi!

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Man, I remember trying to LP MoO II.

    I had all the pictures done and everything and whammo, dead hard drive. Killed all drive I had to do it, and I haven't been able to start another one since then. Good luck with your LP though.

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  • Gennenalyse RuebenGennenalyse Rueben Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I remember really enjoying that one LP of the first game. I can't even remember if it was for here or not.

    8 Players, because conflict is awesome.
    I like the idea of being Space Ants, so go with the Klackon portrait.
    Yellow flag.
    Economist build, because Merchant Trading Space Ants sounds like a cool idea.

  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Note that Economist uses Democracy, which was not originally noted but has been edited in now.

    Enlightenedbum: That's a hilarious (and accurate) Spathi build, and although I'm sure someone could do very well with it, that person is unfortunately not me.

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    8 Players
    Space Jews(Gnolams)
    +1 B.C.
    -.5 Production
    -10 Ground combat
    Fantastic Traders
    And then for the ironic twist: Lucky.

    Most offensive race possible.

  • zilozilo Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Subterranean and Creative, plus whatever random penalties to offset the cost. It's fun to stomp on people.

    Alternatively, it might be fun to come up with the worst possible build and see what happens.

  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    zilo wrote: »
    Subterranean and Creative, plus whatever random penalties to offset the cost. It's fun to stomp on people.

    Alternatively, it might be fun to come up with the worst possible build and see what happens.

    Take all negatives, no positives, and just have a score multiplier of like a billion.

  • zilozilo Registered User
    edited October 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    zilo wrote: »
    Subterranean and Creative, plus whatever random penalties to offset the cost. It's fun to stomp on people.

    Alternatively, it might be fun to come up with the worst possible build and see what happens.

    Take all negatives, no positives, and just have a score multiplier of like a billion.

    I was thinking more like taking painful complements, like Aquatic and Low-G Homeworld. But taking all the negatives and no positives would be quite entertaining. Call it the Space Bastards and hope you can hide under some coats while everyone else kills each other.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Note that Economist uses Democracy, which was not originally noted but has been edited in now.

    Enlightenedbum: That's a hilarious (and accurate) Spathi build, and although I'm sure someone could do very well with it, that person is unfortunately not me.

    Outside of poor homeworld, it's pretty close to my default build. Though I love creative.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Of your races, I support the feudal people. I was always bad at spying, I like massive research in all my 4x games.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Note that Economist uses Democracy, which was not originally noted but has been edited in now.

    Enlightenedbum: That's a hilarious (and accurate) Spathi build, and although I'm sure someone could do very well with it, that person is unfortunately not me.

    Outside of poor homeworld, it's pretty close to my default build. Though I love creative.

    Creative is nice but vastly overcosted. There's generally one really good option per tech level, and you can steal or tech swap for the other ones.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Note that Economist uses Democracy, which was not originally noted but has been edited in now.

    Enlightenedbum: That's a hilarious (and accurate) Spathi build, and although I'm sure someone could do very well with it, that person is unfortunately not me.

    Outside of poor homeworld, it's pretty close to my default build. Though I love creative.

    Creative is nice but vastly overcosted. There's generally one really good option per tech level, and you can steal or tech swap for the other ones.

    There's some (especially in construction) where they're all entirely too useful.

    Also: make a ship that can fire 8 Stellar Converters a turn (with the Time Warp Facilitator, obviously).

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Creative and Subterranian can basically break the shit out of the game, and spying is actually useful, unlike, say, in GalCiv II or SE:V. Or I assume MoO3 but I just hit the next turn button in that game 'till I won.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Creative and Subterranian can basically break the shit out of the game, and spying is actually useful, unlike, say, in GalCiv II or SE:V. Or I assume MoO3 but I just hit the next turn button in that game 'till I won.

    MoO3 never happened, unless you argue it was named Galactic Civilizations.

    And yeah, the absolutely broken abilities are: Unification, Creative, Subterranean, and Telepathic, in my opinion. Democracy is also really, REALLY powerful, but not quite broken.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • zilozilo Registered User
    edited October 2009
    The fun thing about Creative is that you can trade your massive collection of garbage techs for good stuff the AI might actually get to before you. It's essentially farming research out to your enemies, but you don't pay them anything you actually want for it.

    Lucky is also a pretty fun advantage if you have 3 points lying around (I wouldn't take a disadvantage for it). It's not obvious very often but when it is, it's great. IIRC the Antarans won't attack a Lucky faction, which isn't super useful but it's nice to watch them rampage your enemies during a late-game war.

    edit: Wasn't MoO3 just a Microsoft Excel reskin?

  • CarcharodontosaurusCarcharodontosaurus Registered User
    edited October 2009
    8 players. I like a nice crowded galaxy with everyone stepping on everyone else's toes.

    Silicoid portrait. They're rock people. What's not to love?

    The only advantage I would suggest is Democracy. It's a damn good ability that easily outshines the other forms of government.

    Red flag. May as well start a bandwagon on this one. :P

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    zilo wrote: »
    The fun thing about Creative is that you can trade your massive collection of garbage techs for good stuff the AI might actually get to before you. It's essentially farming research out to your enemies, but you don't pay them anything you actually want for it.

    Lucky is also a pretty fun advantage if you have 3 points lying around (I wouldn't take a disadvantage for it). It's not obvious very often but when it is, it's great. IIRC the Antarans won't attack a Lucky faction, which isn't super useful but it's nice to watch them rampage your enemies during a late-game war.

    edit: Wasn't MoO3 just a Microsoft Excel reskin?

    What's fun too is sometimes in GalCiv II I do the opposite, I grab stupid economy buffs, make a massive buttload of money, and then just buy everything from anyone.

    And if I run out of money, I sell them shit tech that they'll still pay too much for because I'm so awesome at diplomacy.

  • zilozilo Registered User
    edited October 2009
    That's exactly my strategy in Civ4. Man, I love 4X games.

  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Creative and Subterranian can basically break the shit out of the game, and spying is actually useful, unlike, say, in GalCiv II or SE:V. Or I assume MoO3 but I just hit the next turn button in that game 'till I won.

    MoO3 never happened, unless you argue it was named Galactic Civilizations.
    The OP wrote:
    Due to rights issues when Interplay went belly-up, no further games in the series have been produced. (No, you're wrong, there haven't. Shut up. Seriously, don't say a fucking word or I'll stab you in the face.)
    And yeah, the absolutely broken abilities are: Unification, Creative, Subterranean, and Telepathic, in my opinion. Democracy is also really, REALLY powerful, but not quite broken.
    Eh. You can mostly replicate Democracy by taking +0.5 BC, +1 Science, -10 spying, and you'll come out ahead on points (6 spent instead of 7.) You really only miss out on quickly integrating conquered populations, which is irrelevant if you take Telepathic.

    Unification is ridiculously good, however, due mostly to the availability of Galactic Unification down the line. And while the research hit incurred by Feudal is incredibly annoying, the 33% reduction in military costs is pretty sweet.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    zilo wrote: »
    The fun thing about Creative is that you can trade your massive collection of garbage techs for good stuff the AI might actually get to before you. It's essentially farming research out to your enemies, but you don't pay them anything you actually want for it.

    Lucky is also a pretty fun advantage if you have 3 points lying around (I wouldn't take a disadvantage for it). It's not obvious very often but when it is, it's great. IIRC the Antarans won't attack a Lucky faction, which isn't super useful but it's nice to watch them rampage your enemies during a late-game war.

    edit: Wasn't MoO3 just a Microsoft Excel reskin?

    What's fun too is sometimes in GalCiv II I do the opposite, I grab stupid economy buffs, make a massive buttload of money, and then just buy everything from anyone.

    And if I run out of money, I sell them shit tech that they'll still pay too much for because I'm so awesome at diplomacy.

    MoO2's diplomatic model is unfortunately nowhere near as robust as GalCiv's. You can't offer tit for tat, except for straight trade swaps - the best you can do is throw money at them to get their respect for you really really high and then ask, but even then they're unlikely to give you their cutting-edge tech.

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  • KhavallKhavall Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    zilo wrote: »
    The fun thing about Creative is that you can trade your massive collection of garbage techs for good stuff the AI might actually get to before you. It's essentially farming research out to your enemies, but you don't pay them anything you actually want for it.

    Lucky is also a pretty fun advantage if you have 3 points lying around (I wouldn't take a disadvantage for it). It's not obvious very often but when it is, it's great. IIRC the Antarans won't attack a Lucky faction, which isn't super useful but it's nice to watch them rampage your enemies during a late-game war.

    edit: Wasn't MoO3 just a Microsoft Excel reskin?

    What's fun too is sometimes in GalCiv II I do the opposite, I grab stupid economy buffs, make a massive buttload of money, and then just buy everything from anyone.

    And if I run out of money, I sell them shit tech that they'll still pay too much for because I'm so awesome at diplomacy.

    MoO2's diplomatic model is unfortunately nowhere near as robust as GalCiv's. You can't offer tit for tat, except for straight trade swaps - the best you can do is throw money at them to get their respect for you really really high and then ask, but even then they're unlikely to give you their cutting-edge tech.

    MoO2 is still about 80 times better than SE:V. I almost never have successfully proposed a diplomatic function in SE:V, including when I have offered giving them all technology without any return. That's right. They can refuse gifts.

    Galciv and MoO2 both are really smart about their Diplomacy. GalCiv gives you instant feedback even when just thinking about propositions, and MoO2 at least gives you instant feedback once you've proposed things.

    Space Empires V decided that that wasn't too realistic, so you have to send a diplomatic message, which the receiving party will receive the next turn, they will have time to deliberate, then they will return which you will get on your next turn. So the time between offering them anything it takes two turns to hear back. In theory, it's also got a really awesome diplomacy. You can propose limits on research, limits on specific changes in the galactic maps, certain gifts and tributes, all sorts of awesome things that MoO2 and GalCiv don't. The problem is that not all of the diplomatic actions do what they say they do, and the computer likes sending just slightly one-sided messages, which then you have to rebut, and then it's still another two goddamn turns before you hear back from you responding.

    Ultimately, SE:V remains my favorite 4x, just because it captures the idea the best. But goddamn that can be the most frustrating game in the world.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Of course, as an abstraction, the turns are _____ units of time. So there's plenty of time to negotiate during turns, and wasting turns like that is just a stupid design choice meant to reflect a reality that's not really there as you've already taken care of it.

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    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

    This game is easily broken (up to Hard, at Impossible it gets less breakable), but it's awesome.

    The two dumbest tricks I pulled off were:

    1) Turning every planet in the galaxy into a Gaia. This took forever, as any Toxic planets needed to be colonized, gifted to someone, Stellar Converted, Artificial Planet-ed, and then Terraformed to Gaia.
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    That's, what, five levels of Hyper-Advanced Physics for the necessary miniaturization? Someone was bored.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    That's, what, five levels of Hyper-Advanced Physics for the necessary miniaturization? Someone was bored.

    More like had a ton of research and wanted to see if he could beat Hard Antares with one ship (yes).

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    That's, what, five levels of Hyper-Advanced Physics for the necessary miniaturization? Someone was bored.

    More like had a ton of research and wanted to see if he could beat Hard Antares with one ship (yes).

    You can do that with any ship with a Time-Warp Facilitator, Phasing Cloak, and weapons that will outpace their repairs (probably a couple of Heavy Death Rays with an Achilles Targeting Unit and Structural Analyzer.) A ship with a Time-Warp Facilitator and Phasing Cloak literally cannot be damaged.

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  • MechMantisMechMantis Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    That's, what, five levels of Hyper-Advanced Physics for the necessary miniaturization? Someone was bored.

    More like had a ton of research and wanted to see if he could beat Hard Antares with one ship (yes).

    I laugh at your Stellar Converters.

    (Don't click the spoiler unless you want the ultimate ship build spoiled for you.)
    Spoiler:

    EDIT: GodDAMNIT Salvation.


    However I liked the guide. Therefore my post is superior.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I was waiting for the inevitable eighty hojillion phasors with all the good equips post.

    It is totally worth building, by the way.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

    This game is easily broken (up to Hard, at Impossible it gets less breakable), but it's awesome.

    The two dumbest tricks I pulled off were:

    1) Turning every planet in the galaxy into a Gaia. This took forever, as any Toxic planets needed to be colonized, gifted to someone, Stellar Converted, Artificial Planet-ed, and then Terraformed to Gaia.
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    At that point your Stellar Converters should fit in a Battleship class with battle pods. And you can fit it with stealth fields.

  • CorakCorak Registered User
    edited October 2009
    8 Players
    Klackon, so that your hive can envelope the galaxy
    Um... I've never played, so I won't suggest.
    Red since that seems the most popular. Also my favorite color.

    I live!
  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

    This game is easily broken (up to Hard, at Impossible it gets less breakable), but it's awesome.

    The two dumbest tricks I pulled off were:

    1) Turning every planet in the galaxy into a Gaia. This took forever, as any Toxic planets needed to be colonized, gifted to someone, Stellar Converted, Artificial Planet-ed, and then Terraformed to Gaia.
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    At that point your Stellar Converters should fit in a Battleship class with battle pods. And you can fit it with stealth fields.

    At one point in my game the last time I played I had a swarm of battleships armed with Convertors. The fleet was maxed out and couldn't accept any more ships. It nearly filled my side of the battle screen. Quite entertaining to watch.
    This was in the game where I had gotten bored (obviously) and started stealing Antaran ships when they came through. I had a pretty good sized fleet of those by the time I ended the game too.

    Race picture: Take the Meklar. That way you have a chance of being raped by both the Psilons and the Klackons.

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

    This game is easily broken (up to Hard, at Impossible it gets less breakable), but it's awesome.

    The two dumbest tricks I pulled off were:

    1) Turning every planet in the galaxy into a Gaia. This took forever, as any Toxic planets needed to be colonized, gifted to someone, Stellar Converted, Artificial Planet-ed, and then Terraformed to Gaia.
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    At that point your Stellar Converters should fit in a Battleship class with battle pods. And you can fit it with stealth fields.

    Of course you can, but it's sillier to put a ton of them on one ship. I think if you neuter other things you can just barely fit one on a Cruiser, but it's been a while.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    6 players

    Trillarian

    Pacifist Technologists

    Blue


    I've heard about this game, but have only been privileged to play MoO3: Galactic Civilizations II. And I was never terribly good at it, but damn if it wasn't a fun piece of software.

    This game is easily broken (up to Hard, at Impossible it gets less breakable), but it's awesome.

    The two dumbest tricks I pulled off were:

    1) Turning every planet in the galaxy into a Gaia. This took forever, as any Toxic planets needed to be colonized, gifted to someone, Stellar Converted, Artificial Planet-ed, and then Terraformed to Gaia.
    2) 8 Stellar Converters/turn Doom Star.

    At that point your Stellar Converters should fit in a Battleship class with battle pods. And you can fit it with stealth fields.

    Of course you can, but it's sillier to put a ton of them on one ship. I think if you neuter other things you can just barely fit one on a Cruiser, but it's been a while.

    It is sillier against the AI. I used to play against a friend and we got locked into a situation in which both sides were building insane Death Stars but no one could get enough of an edge to be able to be able to guarantee a win if they pulled the trigger. The stealth battleships was my solution.

  • MachismoMachismo Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This game is bad ass. Be a research based species.

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  • ForarForar #432 Already prepping for Toronto Fan Expo!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    This is one of my all time favourite games. Played it pretty hardcore like 6-7 months ago, until I finally rested upon my laurels.

    I admit, I usually go for a Creative race, but most other options are up for grabs. Cybernetic, Lithovore, Subterranian and whatnot are all interesting takes on things, but I like being able to build or develop whatever I need. I suppose working amidst limitations or using force/diplomacy to make up for non-creative or uncreative could be interesting, but like my Civ style, I like to spread out early, catch up and then rapidly exceed the others to a technological edge, lock down what I have and then go wipe out any species dumb enough to pick a fight, or left over from the eventual galactic/world wide conflict that typically ensues eventually.

    I rarely build much of a space force until I have said huge lead, but my planets are built to repel invaders pretty early on. It's astounding what you can fend off with shields, missiles and ground batteries. Fighters are nice, but I don't prioritize them highly, as they're far too vulnerable to taking out a ship and then all perishing in the ensuing explosion. Sometimes they're clutch and clear out 2-3 ships nigh on their own, sometimes they get picked off by defenses or an explosion. Even missiles typically fare far better, and a sufficiently advanced station is a nightmare for the AI to challenge while you pick off their ships.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    This is one of my all time favourite games. Played it pretty hardcore like 6-7 months ago, until I finally rested upon my laurels.

    I admit, I usually go for a Creative race, but most other options are up for grabs. Cybernetic, Lithovore, Subterranian and whatnot are all interesting takes on things, but I like being able to build or develop whatever I need. I suppose working amidst limitations or using force/diplomacy to make up for non-creative or uncreative could be interesting, but like my Civ style, I like to spread out early, catch up and then rapidly exceed the others to a technological edge, lock down what I have and then go wipe out any species dumb enough to pick a fight, or left over from the eventual galactic/world wide conflict that typically ensues eventually.

    I rarely build much of a space force until I have said huge lead, but my planets are built to repel invaders pretty early on. It's astounding what you can fend off with shields, missiles and ground batteries. Fighters are nice, but I don't prioritize them highly, as they're far too vulnerable to taking out a ship and then all perishing in the ensuing explosion. Sometimes they're clutch and clear out 2-3 ships nigh on their own, sometimes they get picked off by defenses or an explosion. Even missiles typically fare far better, and a sufficiently advanced station is a nightmare for the AI to challenge while you pick off their ships.

    The only reason I build early space forces is so they can be an ablative meat shield for my planets when attacked by Antareans. The two or three turns they exist is all I care about. Especially since my early ships are battleships with ~28 merculite missiles x 2 with fast missile racks. Sure, they aren't great against swarms, but anything they fire at is going to know it's been shot at.

  • ForarForar #432 Already prepping for Toronto Fan Expo!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    My ships usually rely on a fair deal of beam weaponry, but having a cluster of missiles on board across a small fleet is damned nice.

    There's just something about watching one ship blow up, and then having ALL the missiles that were aiming for it veer around and annihilate another that makes me smile.

    Maybe that'll be my next playthrough; no beam weapons (aside from ground batteries, of course).

    8 species in a tiny galaxy is often good times, as the AI will start wiping each other out at the drop of a hat. 8 in a huge galaxy leads to an easier game based on my playstyle, but also takes an absurdly long time to get everything underway, and if you don't strike at the right moment, the computer will annoyingly begin waltzing through your least heavily defended planets with a ragtag armada. That's when production of the fleet goes into high gear, but it's usually a worst case scenario.

    The easiest way to win is, of course, to just build enough mini-fleets to strike every opposing system at roughly the same time. By the time they've mobilized, hopefully they're already on the ropes and/or gone entirely.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I switch to beam weapons when I get the automated repair unit. But the early ships are so fragile that expecting them to last just seems silly. So if they are going to die, then they might as well make sure they bring an honor guard with them.

  • Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Those civ-style colonists were one of the best changes between games, IMO. In the first Master of Orion, wars were straight-up interstellar genocide. In MoO2, empire management can be more interesting than that, with a lot of choices to make about how you will treat the captured populace. And it's easy enough to skip all that if you find it too complicated, by just going Telepathic.

    My other favorite feature in MoO2 is being able to name individual ships and refit them. Between this feature and the experience system, my ships have a lot more character than in the first game. Especially cool in those games where you are numerically and technologically at a disadvantage, but the skill of your crews and careful management of your fleet turns the tide.

    "The universe is change, life is opinion." - Marcus Aurelius
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