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Man raises demon in church. Is this a crime?
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I leave disappointed...
I think the "Public Order Act" is a much more interesting topic than this demon-crazy loon. He's really only interesting inasmuch as he might get bitten by it.
I guess that goes on with God's blessing.
If he didn't tell them, and actually believes he summoned a demon to terrorize them, it's a delusion. This is not a crime, it's a disease.
And don't even get me started on the people in the church. If they actually believe this is possible, we need to start medicating the sacramental wine.
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Thanatooooooooss! :evil:
I mean, really, do you guys even look at the sheer volume of things we say here that would be considered "abusive and insulting?" For fuck's sake, Larry Flynt did an article about how Jerry Falwell lost his virginity to his mother (Jerry Falwell's mother, not Larry Flynt's). I don't think that crosses (or should cross) a legal line. Sticks and fucking stones.
And these people should just use their Jesus-magic to cancel out his Devil-magic. That makes as much sense as any of the rest of this bullshit.
If your god only wards against evils which can't possibly be perceived, then he's a pretty fucking useless god.
It is, but I am absolutely floored by the kind of idiocy that would commit this crap
to law. Doesn't the EU have some kind of standards regarding freedom of speech in its member nations?
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There are not enough facepalms in the world for this. Are you seriously so dense that you don't see a problem with speech being "free except if it's insulting"
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Freedom of speech, even though it has nothing to do with this England case, has a time and place. More importantly, it was a basis of America regarding government, not a free ticket to harass people.
If you can dish it out, you can take it. If someone is going to shit on my religion, you're welcoming my own unfair non-sequitor personal attacks. You can address my religion and how you disagree with it, as a whole or this case specifically, in a diplomatic manner and not be an insulting shit head.
Get over yourselves.
I expect that you're already on your way to the police station to turn yourself in.
Well Henroid, for what it's worth, I hope the pretend demon didn't kill your pretend god or anything bad like that. Have you seen your god since the incident? Is he OKAY?
Edit: I'd check things out myself, but my floor is water and I have to stay on my carpets or I'll drown. Can't make it out the door.
You believe that churches are warded against evil.
Kiddy-diddling occurs in churches.
Therefore, you must not think that kiddy-diddling is evil.
And I don't think the attack was at all a non-sequitur. You were making a point that Jesus-magic protects against evil; you didn't specify a particular kind of evil, just "evil."
And whatever, I'm not going to cry myself to sleep or kill myself because you said I don't like cops. They're just fucking words. And it's one thing to harass someone to the point of suicide; it's another thing entirely to just say "lol I summoned teh demonz in your church." That doesn't come anywhere near the level of what should be required for someone to actually be prosecuted.
Or maybe you can not make it a goal to go out and offend people for the sake of doing so. Accidental offenses made happen, sure. Aren't we all reasonable to understand that?
I'll answer you as soon as you read what the guy was attempting to do with regard to his pet demon. We'll play it on your turf, you zomgnon-believer. Get your facts right! GOSH!
Because it isn't properly contextualized for you. If someone did something offensive to Muslims, of course you and I would unphased by it - neither of us are Muslims, neither of us have that understanding.
Yeah, seriously. If he was, say, going to the place of worship and disrupting things by flinging goat blood on people, that would be both a dick move and punishable by law. But it wouldn't be punishable by law because it was a dick move.
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Artistic leeway, my pale religious friend.
Yeah, accidental offenses happen. But do you want to live somewhere that it's not alright to criticize or challenge the populous viewpoint, for fear of being fined or tossed in prison for 'offending' people?
Free speech can be offensive as fucking hell. But you know what: I'd rather have guys saying that offensive stuff out in public where people can mock them for it and, as a society, we can see how stupid it is, than have those guys just passing on the racism/sexism/intolerance of sexual orientation/religious intolerance whatever to their kids at home and teaching them it's OK based on 'how many people on death row are black/white/hispanic' or 'how many of the 9/11 bombers were followers of Islam' or 'how many of blah blah blah were blah blah blah' or any of the weak-assed arguments that bigots and zealots everywhere like to break out when they're indoctrinating kids.
I want people saying that shit in public, so, as a society, we all see how dumb it is and move past it. That sort of vileness shrivels into nothing when it's out in the plain day where everyone can get a look at it.
What would?
I speak for myself here, but I draw the line at the "fire in a crowded theater" example, where people come immediately and directly to harm as a result of a lie, and not a jot before. I am firmly in the camp of defending to the death the right of racists to speak and publish their horrifying nonsense. As uncomfortable as it makes me, I can't imagine the law that would stop them without opening the door for abuse of a really terrifying kind.
I'm not familiar with whatever laws America or any other country has on the books regarding harassment, but I was under the impression that a physical threat had to be involved.
I mean, really, I don't think you should be thrown in jail for saying god thinks child molestation is good, even though that's way more offensive than anything I've said.
Hurt Feelings is a stupid and ridiculous standard that no judge would ever uphold.
Free speech should be protected unless it demonstrably caused harm or damages.
It's a threat toward people's spirituality and right to practice their religion in its designated place - the church. Believe it or not, we have rights too.
I guess it's okay though since it's 'SCORE ONE FOR US, SCREW THE BELIEVERS!'
"I summoned a demon in your church this one time" doesn't come anywhere near that.
Actually, dealing with demons sounds like a perfect way to practice one's religion.
Do you honestly find your faith threatened by Mr Wacko McDemonSummoner?
I would truly like to hear your answer, as I can't really believe you were. I can't think you read the article and thought 'oh my god, he summoned a demon, how could he do such a thing? Has the demon hurt anyone? Is everyone OK? I am frightened and distressed.'
Presumably this guy didn't break into the church. Churches tend to be open to welcome people in there. So he went in there, and acted like a wack-job.
Why not just ask the guy never to come back, then get him for trespassing if he does? You know, look like a sane and sensible group responding to one crackpot?
Also, am I the only guy who totally keeps thinking of that King of the Hill episode where bobby joins some group of witches?
To put it another way: under your legal regime, what exactly is stopping the Westboro Baptist Church from suing or prosecuting other churches for holding funerals for gay people, because they believe that that is bringing god's wrath down upon America?
I mean, the whole belief system actively flaunts logic, but you might as well be internally consistent.
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I guess those aren't evil? Or, wait, I guess it happened because their priests deserved it, right? Since they must have done something to "desanctify" the church, right?
And it's interesting that god can keep evil out of his churches, but not out of his priesthood.
You can be sued for starting a riot, defamation and a number of other things but the usual standard is harm (damages), not hurt feelings.
As far as I can tell no harm or damages has resulted in this church as a result of the demon summoning. The only way I could see this causing harm is if parishioners all refused to go to that church and donations to that church dropped off sharply. If the church wants to sue the demon summoner for lost donations they might have a case but I think that would only draw a massive wave of bad publicity on the church.
It isn't threatened, but it was attacked. And it was done so in a manner that has more weight to it in the church's view. I'm sure for you guys it's reading as something like some jackass riding his bike on someone's lawn and declaring he destroyed their flowerbed or something. But for that person that flowerbed might've been something they work on year to year.
Because you can't help but think in terms of "sides" consider the hypothetical of a hellfire preacher showing up to a meeting of atheists. Now, the atheists are within their rights (assuming they're on private property) to tell the preacher to take a hike, but it would be insane and evil for them to be able to call the police and have him arrested for insulting, abusive, and threatening speech.