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[WoW-Warriors] Blizzard's perfect class. Envy us.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Smasher wrote: »
    I imagine professions are still BS/Jewelcrafting, since extra sockets let you improve any stat you want and I think jewelcrafting gives you one more stat point than the other professions. Actually I think that logic should apply to any class, unless there are any professions that have BIS items for one or more slots for a given class.
    For DPS specs, leatherworking is actually one of the best professions right now due to the power of str/agi/int and the fact that the best bracer enchants right now are just combat ratings. However, it's worth keeping in mind that when compared to the total number of stat points people are getting from gear now, profession bonuses are proportionately less valuable than they were in WotLK, especially early on.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User
    edited January 2011
    forty wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    I'm VERY VERY frustrated with how shitty Heroic Leap is, I think Bladestorm should have a minor speed boost (I can be kited easily even if I can't be snared), and PvP trinkets in general need to have a lower CD.
    You know you can snare (or in some cases root/stun) your intended target before you Bladestorm, right?

    Yeah, but there are a hell of a lot of ways for quite a few classes to escape from a melee snare, esp after you started bladestorm. It's a natural reaction to immediately free yourself (if you can) and create space. It's what I do when I see another warrior use it. Or I disarm immediately.

    I've very rarely seen it used to great effect.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Nerdtendo wrote: »
    I love heroic leap. I know it's not perfect, but it's pretty damned awesome. I don't feel like it's anywhere near as touchy as blink, though. I can heroic leap through the threshold of a door, for example.

    We can't leap over gaps, which I understand why they did, but it still sucks. It looks like we can't leap up an incline if it's more than two or three yards of vertical change. And we can't leap down from a cliff to a lower spot, which I don't understand at all.

    I still love it. And it was pretty great to have a friend ask me what the hell I had just done the first time I used it by him. I still want my headbutt.

    Not as touchy as blink? Have you ever tried to use heroic leap on any sort of incline? You cannot use heroic leap on anything uphill, so half the time in BGs it bugs out.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Endomatic wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Endomatic wrote: »
    I'm VERY VERY frustrated with how shitty Heroic Leap is, I think Bladestorm should have a minor speed boost (I can be kited easily even if I can't be snared), and PvP trinkets in general need to have a lower CD.
    You know you can snare (or in some cases root/stun) your intended target before you Bladestorm, right?

    Yeah, but there are a hell of a lot of ways for quite a few classes to escape from a melee snare, esp after you started bladestorm. It's a natural reaction to immediately free yourself (if you can) and create space. It's what I do when I see another warrior use it. Or I disarm immediately.

    I've very rarely seen it used to great effect.

    This is because you are not using it properly. You don't use bladestorm on someone before they use their melee snare escape abilities. If you see someone who can disarm, it is assumed that they will disarm you if you attempt to use bladestorm. If they use it before you bladestorm, you have free reign to destroy them.

    Basically, bladestorm is one of those things that separates warriors. If you use it properly, you will win.

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  • NerdtendoNerdtendo Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nerdtendo wrote: »
    I love heroic leap. I know it's not perfect, but it's pretty damned awesome. I don't feel like it's anywhere near as touchy as blink, though. I can heroic leap through the threshold of a door, for example.

    We can't leap over gaps, which I understand why they did, but it still sucks. It looks like we can't leap up an incline if it's more than two or three yards of vertical change. And we can't leap down from a cliff to a lower spot, which I don't understand at all.

    I still love it. And it was pretty great to have a friend ask me what the hell I had just done the first time I used it by him. I still want my headbutt.

    Not as touchy as blink? Have you ever tried to use heroic leap on any sort of incline? You cannot use heroic leap on anything uphill, so half the time in BGs it bugs out.

    You definitely can heroic leap upwards, but there seems to be a limit. I'm actually toying with it right now in the Temple of Earth in Deepholm. I was able to HL from the floor all the way up the stairs leading to the Orgrimmar portal. Decided to go out front with the larger stair case to see how many of them I can leap up. I was able to jump all the from the ground to the very top. That's a pretty significant incline, and is sure a hell of a lot more than nothing. Feel free to test it.

    It looks like that staircase (the entrance to the Temple of Earth) is right about the peak of Heroic Leap's height, and if that's the limit to the incline you can jump up, it would make quite a bit of sense to me. You can't heroic leap over obstacles, but you can't blink through them either. And I know that there's many spots I can Heroic Leap over/through where you wouldn't be able to blink through, and I can't think of a single situation where the opposite is true.. In my opinion, that's working better.

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It seems to be different leaping up onto a flat surface than it does one with even a slight incline, though.

  • NerdtendoNerdtendo Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    815165 wrote: »
    It seems to be different leaping up onto a flat surface than it does one with even a slight incline, though.

    Orgrimmar, on the left side of the Valley of Strength, there's slanted inclines. Have no issue leaping up those either.

    Found another incline, it's a bit steeper and not a steady one. I can run up it, but can't leap up it. Seems that if the incline is too sharp of an angle, or if the path leading up isn't very broad, you can't leap. Basically, when it reaches a point where you question whether you can run up it, HL does the same and just decides, "screw it, not doing it".

    I just don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be, and it definitely beats the hell out of blink.

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  • ArrathArrath Registered User
    edited January 2011
    I couldn't leap up the spiraling paths in Vortex Pinnacle last night.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh hey page 100

    I hope our new OP is not based on information a year old

    EJ warrior information is not very easy to make sense of

    Gonna be starting a new warrior soon and wondering how to stat/what professions are ideal

    If you plan on Tanking its hard to give up the 359 trinket you get from Alchemy too.


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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Welp, that Inner Rage change will take care of my interest in macroing it on/off to various abilities.

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    Subsequent wins now awards 75 Conquest Points (up from 50).
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  • TurksonTurkson Near the mountains of ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nerdtendo wrote: »
    I love heroic leap. I know it's not perfect, but it's pretty damned awesome. I don't feel like it's anywhere near as touchy as blink, though. I can heroic leap through the threshold of a door, for example.

    We can't leap over gaps, which I understand why they did, but it still sucks. It looks like we can't leap up an incline if it's more than two or three yards of vertical change. And we can't leap down from a cliff to a lower spot, which I don't understand at all.

    I still love it. And it was pretty great to have a friend ask me what the hell I had just done the first time I used it by him. I still want my headbutt.

    Not as touchy as blink? Have you ever tried to use heroic leap on any sort of incline? You cannot use heroic leap on anything uphill, so half the time in BGs it bugs out.

    Heroic Leap is pretty selective in when it wants to work, and I think Blizzard wanted it that way to prevent exploits. That being said, I love having it for the Atramedes fight in BWD.

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  • ArrathArrath Registered User
    edited January 2011
    HL is great in the Dragon Rider boss fight in GB. Caught on the wrong side of the room for his breath? Jump! Fire elemental comes up targeting you and is a bit too close for comfort? Jump!

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  • LindLind Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

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  • MetacortexMetacortex The Prettiest Zombie Coeur d'CoeursRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The only strength ranged weapon other than a 318 quest reward is a BoE raid drop. And that will be wanted by both dps and tanks.

    Best you can really do is pick up a 346 agi weapon and reforge one of the stats if need be.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I had a green crossbow that I found... somewhere. Probably from a quest I think.

    Being an engineer, I just whipped up one of the regular blue guns and am using that for the moment.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    There certainly is no Balanced Khorium Destroyer-style gun this expansion :( Unless I missed a late engineering pattern.

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  • DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nerdtendo wrote: »
    And we can't leap down from a cliff to a lower spot, which I don't understand at all.

    Actually, you can leap to the ground from the tops of cliffs... kinda. You can't leap from the top of the cliff, but you can jump off the cliff and jump from mid air. Just have to make sure you don't mess up and splat yourself.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hey warrior tanks. I'm curious. As a bear with ~350 ilvl on my tanking set, I'm sitting at about 33% dodge and 55-56% mitigation from armor. That armor number feels low considering I'm accustomed to bears (for years and years) being the high armor tank. Where are you guys sitting? (and if you're around the same ilvl that'd be nice to know so it's apples to apples, but I'm curious on other gear levels too).

    Thanks, my shield-bearing brethren.

  • ArrathArrath Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Lind wrote: »
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

    profile:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/duzt/simple

    As others have said, the only non-raid option is a 318 green quest reward from Uldum. Scarab-inlaid crossbow iirc.

    Can anyone suggest a good baseline HP/avoidance to start heroic tanking?

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I imagine for a prot warrior, a higher ilevel agi-based weapon would be a superior choice if you can find one with mastery as a secondary stat. Considering the str->agi trade is just knocking off a little AP and parry chance for a higher dodge chance, and you'd be getting more stam, you're probably actually gaining survivability. Then just reforge the non-mastery stat to dodge rating or expertise or something and you've got a decent tank bow/xbow/gun. Hell, if it has hit+mastery, then really none of the stats are wasted.

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  • CasedOutCasedOut Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Lind wrote: »
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

    profile:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/duzt/simple

    Dude man, why arent you doing heroics yet? ilvl 338? I was doing heroics the second I hit ilvl 329, and as long as your group is decent you will be fine.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    CasedOut wrote: »
    Lind wrote: »
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

    profile:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/duzt/simple

    Dude man, why arent you doing heroics yet? ilvl 338? I was doing heroics the second I hit ilvl 329, and as long as your group is decent you will be fine.
    Which, if you use the Derp Finder, it probably isn't.

    Patch 5.4 wrote:
    First win of the day now awards 150 Conquest Points (up from 100).
    Subsequent wins now awards 75 Conquest Points (up from 50).
    YES! I AM INVINCIBLE!
  • LindLind Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    CasedOut wrote: »
    Lind wrote: »
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

    profile:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/duzt/simple

    Dude man, why arent you doing heroics yet? ilvl 338? I was doing heroics the second I hit ilvl 329, and as long as your group is decent you will be fine.

    The horror stories scare me, hehe well no but I'm helping some irl friends to gear up so we can play some heroics in a guildgroup before we start pugging. Not knowing any fights is kinda bad when others sort of expect the tank to lead.

  • CasedOutCasedOut Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Lind wrote: »
    CasedOut wrote: »
    Lind wrote: »
    Im gearing up from normal dungeons and with rep atm and my gear is starting to become pretty ok but where can I find a decent ranged weapon? All I've seen so far is sta / agi :(

    profile:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/duzt/simple

    Dude man, why arent you doing heroics yet? ilvl 338? I was doing heroics the second I hit ilvl 329, and as long as your group is decent you will be fine.

    The horror stories scare me, hehe well no but I'm helping some irl friends to gear up so we can play some heroics in a guildgroup before we start pugging. Not knowing any fights is kinda bad when others sort of expect the tank to lead.

    Lol, I use the "derp finder" constantly, and the groups have been always fine as long as I mark everything. I also just go afk for 2 minutes before every boss I haven't done before and I watch the video on youtube. It has worked out pretty well for me and I have managed to finish every heroic I have started. But hey, being extra geared can't hurt I guess.

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