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[Recruit] Exalted: Infernals

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Rainfall wrote: »
    Yeah, if any book short of the core is heavy, it's Infernals.

    Just because it takes every single thing about charm concepts you've known and used to base your understanding off of and throws it out the window.

    Then it throws you out the window.
    Yeah, it's pretty fucking crazy.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Also, did anyone else catch the digs at "rational self-interest" when referring to the Ebon Dragon?

  • hotranhotran Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Judging by Rainfall's post, I'm going to assume the answer is no, but is there a place that has online sheets for 2e? Mythweavers has got nothing =(.

    The Long Way Down: Clank, Warforged Fighter
  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Oh myyy Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Hey INNS, no worries. I'm still working my way through the Infernals book and as Thanatos posted earlier, it's a lot to absorb. I'm looking forward to reading about what you have in store for your players and if a spot opens up somewhere, I'll hopefully have enough of an idea about Infernals to present a character for your approval.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Social juggernauts who hate the sound of words

    Adorjan ftw

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I can has character sheet? I flipped a coin and ended up with a female. The rest was a bit hard to figure out until I discovered the power of Verdant Emptiness Endowment.

    Backstory
    Spoiler:

    Appearance:
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    Sheet:
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    Statsblock
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    Bonus Point Expenditure:
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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Remember that you need Lore 1 to be able to read!

    Your melee 3/5, what does that mean, Advent?

    Edit: oh, you're differentiating between what you bought with normal points and bonus points, looks like.

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    *checks sheet*

    I used BP to bump it to 5. I used slashes do denote I used BP on something.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    quite good then :P

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • RainfallRainfall Subcommander Argon CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Remember that you need Lore 1 to be able to read!

    Your melee 3/5, what does that mean, Advent?

    Edit: oh, you're differentiating between what you bought with normal points and bonus points, looks like.

    Reading is for people who can't dance. And kill people with their hair at the same time.

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I'm not gonna get a chance to actually make a character until tomorrow night.

    I had a character in mind as I was reading through the charms last night, but when I refreshed this thread, he was an awful lot like Rainfall's (like, half of the charms were gonna be the same), so I'm gonna do some re-working.

  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    That is the biggest woe of Infernals I guess, it's hard not to have a bit of overlap. It's not the worst thing in the world, though.

    No rush.

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Social juggernauts who hate the sound of words

    Adorjan ftw
    In their defense, they don't hate the sound of words anymore than they hate the sound of everything else (which is to say, quite a bit).

  • KrataLightbladeKrataLightblade Registered User
    edited November 2009
    My sheet is still being revised but I will steal you guys' format anyway.

    Backstory
    Spoiler:

    Appearance:
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    Sheet:
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    Motivation and Urge:
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    EDIT: Motivation updated.

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  • hotranhotran Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Hey folks. Getting the sheet together, but I've got a date with a likely-to-be-mediocre film, so its got to be put on hold.

    As it stands, he's a pretty-combat focused, but I feel like that fits in with the concept pretty well. Question: Can Infernals use the Charms of other Exalts? Goes without saying that I'd play with the flavor considerably.

    The Long Way Down: Clank, Warforged Fighter
  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Like any other Solar-tier Exalt, only the bureaurat Caste (fiends, moonshadow, eclipse) can learn Charms from not-native sources.

    Infernals can learn any Charm from the five reclamation Yozis (as well as Kimbery, but her Charms aren't printed yet), though, which means as we progress if you want to learn, like, the "Be a City" Charm, we'll find a way to homebrew that stuff up.

    I like custom charms. :)

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • KrataLightbladeKrataLightblade Registered User
    edited November 2009
    I am so looking forward to creating unique custom Charms. Of course they won't remain unique for long, seeing as the instant I generate it is becomes valid for any Infernal anywhere to learn intuitively as I recall, but hey, fun nonetheless!

    LEVEL 50 SWORD JUGGLER/WIZARD!
  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Yep, no secret Charms for Infernals.

    The Yozis (have to) grant 100%, complete access to their entire Charmset to the Infernals to be involved in the Reclamation and have a say in what the Infernals do. Yozis can't make new Charms for themselves or for their Infernals. Infernals can make new Charms, and when they do, the Yozi whose Charm tree they made it in automatically learns it. And then that loops back up -- since they have to make any Charm they know available to their Infernals, any Charm an Infernal makes becomes available to all Infernals.

    Now, there are definitely Charms that Infernals aren't really privvy to (Malfeas probably doesn't ever mention the totally righteous Performance (Dance) Charms he absolutely has), but with a little effort, they'll be able to figure it out and learn it on their own.

    Edit: Which basically means that custom Charms for Infernals will be split between "Charms that already exist and aren't in the book" (like say, Being The Most Badass Dancer in Hell Charm, Being Made of Wind Charm, Being a Giant Phallus Charm) and Charms that are made up new and shiny (which still have to follow the Yozi's theme, necessarily.)

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • Paranoia833Paranoia833 Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Argh. Recruitment flies by the one night I'm unable to access the internet. Ah well, I can always throw peanuts from the spectators gallery (suddenly I have the image of Adorjan flicking peanuts at the speaker of the Thing Infernal as they try to debate world corruption).

  • KrataLightbladeKrataLightblade Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Argh. Recruitment flies by the one night I'm unable to access the internet. Ah well, I can always throw peanuts from the spectators gallery (suddenly I have the image of Adorjan flicking peanuts at the speaker of the Thing Infernal as they try to debate world corruption).

    Evil peanuts.

    LEVEL 50 SWORD JUGGLER/WIZARD!
  • SevorakSevorak Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Argh. Recruitment flies by the one night I'm unable to access the internet. Ah well, I can always throw peanuts from the spectators gallery (suddenly I have the image of Adorjan flicking peanuts at the speaker of the Thing Infernal as they try to debate world corruption).

    I too missed this thread until it was too late. Would have been fun to get some actual Exalted play in. Oh well, I'll join you in the peanut gallery.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    So much overflow, someone should run a second game... :P

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I must rabble rouse!

    I am excited for the game.... make thy characters!

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  • adventfallsadventfalls Why would you wish to know? Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Apologies for the double-post, but something just occurred to me. And by occurred, I mean bludgeoned into my head by an interested party. And said party knows who s/he is.

    Our characters more likely than not know each other, yes? So should we develop relationships/connections to each other's characters?

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  • KrataLightbladeKrataLightblade Registered User
    edited November 2009
    There being only 50 Infernals, and with the way gatherings tend to work, yeah, we've probably all met and definitely know one another by reputation if nothing else. Fasara himself has always made a point of associating with his fellow Green Sun Princes as often as possible. He is unfailingly polite, even when he's insulting someone, at least when dealing with other Infernals and higher ranked demons... it's not wise to upset things that are actually at the moment more powerful than you are. He's got a fondness for the finer things in life (twisted as those finer things are in Malfeas), especially food and clothing. He's also more than happy to make deals with other Infernals to advance their goals with subtlety and guile when necessary in return for their help advancing his with less... subtle... methods, so there are all sorts of possibilities in play for knowing him through business, pleasure, or both.

    LEVEL 50 SWORD JUGGLER/WIZARD!
  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    This is pretty much correct. You can't really NOT know an Infernal, because when they're Exalted, you're called back to Malfeas to greet them, basically.

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • hotranhotran Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Aaaand character. Sorry it took so long; as others have said, this book is a beast. Tried to make the Number-y, Charm-y stuff fit with the concept as best I could, but help/revisions in that area are very welcome.

    Backstory
    Spoiler:

    Appearance
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    Sheet
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    Statblock
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    I can't find the scrap I was tracking BP's on, but 7 definitely went to raising Essence, I believe the rest went to abilities. Again, in the more-than-likely event I screwed something up, let me know and I'll fix it.

    The Long Way Down: Clank, Warforged Fighter
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    So, after looking over the book a little bit more, I'm seriously considering a Sidereal Akuma.

    A couple things: it seems like it would be nigh-impossible to hide the fact that you're an Akuma from fellow Sidereals, so I'm guessing the Sidereal Akuma more or less abandon Yu-Shuan unless they're ridiculously powerful...?

    Also, my reading seems to indicate that you are allowed to choose from your Exalted-type charms, spirit charms, and the charms of your patron Yozi, correct? So, a Sidereal Akuma of the Ebon Dragon could choose from normal Sidereal charms, spirit charms (at least, those available to demons, one would assume), and the Infernal charms of the Ebon Dragon, but not the charms of the other Infernals, correct?

  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    hotran, you've got too many charms: because you're Essence 3, you have to take the Malfean Excellency 3 times, so you've got 12 Charms total there. I'll crunch other numbers in a bit.

    Thanatos: When you become an Akuma, you get the Creature of Darkness mutation, so there's no way they won't know something's up. They'll also be aware that you're spending way too much time outside of Fate, unless you had some excuse to cover that up.

    The Green Lady's managing to play Heaven and half a dozen Deathlords, so it's probably possible to fool Heaven if you're creative. Doesn't the Ebon Dragon have a Charm that lets you hide your nature...?

    An Akuma can learn their native Charm set and the Charm set of their Yozi patron. They can learn Spirit Charms that the demon casting Investiture of Infernal Glory knows when he casts it, but they can't learn Spirit Charms after that unless they've got some other way to learn them (like a Fiend or Eclipse Caste does.)

    Akuma get a pretty big mechanical advantage in the form of +30 bonus points, but it's counter-acted by having no Motivation, and having an unchanging Urge. With that in mind, you should come up with an Urge that'll still let you interact with the rest of the party ("Live in a tiny hut in the North until the Alchemicals show up" wouldn't leave much room for interaction!) but also that serves as the disadvantage that it should be (ie, should get in the way from time to time, not having free will is sort of the Akuma theme!)

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    hotran, you've got too many charms: because you're Essence 3, you have to take the Malfean Excellency 3 times, so you've got 12 Charms total there. I'll crunch other numbers in a bit.

    Thanatos: When you become an Akuma, you get the Creature of Darkness mutation, so there's no way they won't know something's up. They'll also be aware that you're spending way too much time outside of Fate, unless you had some excuse to cover that up.

    The Green Lady's managing to play Heaven and half a dozen Deathlords, so it's probably possible to fool Heaven if you're creative. Doesn't the Ebon Dragon have a Charm that lets you hide your nature...?

    An Akuma can learn their native Charm set and the Charm set of their Yozi patron. They can learn Spirit Charms that the demon casting Investiture of Infernal Glory knows when he casts it, but they can't learn Spirit Charms after that unless they've got some other way to learn them (like a Fiend or Eclipse Caste does.)

    Akuma get a pretty big mechanical advantage in the form of +30 bonus points, but it's counter-acted by having no Motivation, and having an unchanging Urge. With that in mind, you should come up with an Urge that'll still let you interact with the rest of the party ("Live in a tiny hut in the North until the Alchemicals show up" wouldn't leave much room for interaction!) but also that serves as the disadvantage that it should be (ie, should get in the way from time to time, not having free will is sort of the Akuma theme!)
    Yeah, I understand the Urge thing just fine. When I initially read that Demon Investiture background, I was thinking "why the hell wouldn't every Akuma Exalt take five dots in this?" Then I saw the part that said "every Akuma Exalt gets five dots in this for free." Suddenly made a lot more sense. :P

    And yeah, I'm not saying that a Sidereal Akuma wouldn't be able to get into Yu-Shuan, just that I don't imagine them doing so as a Sidereal for any significant length of time, given that there are still Sidereal who were alive during the Usurpation tooling around. I just don't see a Sidereal selling his soul, then continuing about his duties in the Celestial Bureaucracy without missing a beat and without anyone noticing; I just wanted to make sure I had the concept straight.

  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Oh yeah, it'll be rough to keep up a normal Sidereal life in Heaven while also serving a Yozi. Not impossible, depending on what your Yozi wants, but it might be rough to justify running around with a handful of "Solars" that live off the grid and hiding outside of Fate for a significant amount of time.

    You'll still have some access to Heaven, though, which is probably a big reason a Yozi would want a Sidereal servant.

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Oh yeah, it'll be rough to keep up a normal Sidereal life in Heaven while also serving a Yozi. Not impossible, depending on what your Yozi wants, but it might be rough to justify running around with a handful of "Solars" that live off the grid and hiding outside of Fate for a significant amount of time.

    You'll still have some access to Heaven, though, which is probably a big reason a Yozi would want a Sidereal servant.
    This is pretty much exactly what I had pictured, just wanted to make sure we weren't going to get started and you'd say "oh, and you'll be spending most of your time in Heaven, doing grunt work for your Sifu..."

  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Oh no, I very much expect for your Sidereal (should you go that route) to hang out with the Coven, with a bit of his own thing on the side (but I expect all characters to have their own stuff going on on the side) which might involve visiting Heaven from time to time.

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • hotranhotran Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Hey, thanks for the info, INNS. I'm at school, so no book, but off the top of my head I'd say I'm likely going to drop Wind-Born Stride and Thousand-Fold Typhoon Hand.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    No rush, hotran.

    Thanatos: Do you have Glories of the Most High: Maidens? It introduces a new type of Charm for Sidereals (Astrological Charms) and has some errata.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Thanatos: Do you have Glories of the Most High: Maidens? It introduces a new type of Charm for Sidereals (Astrological Charms) and has some errata.
    I'm at work right now, but I have a friend who I can probably borrow it from.

    Really, what I desperately need right now is more options for character creation. :P

  • RainfallRainfall Subcommander Argon CityRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Actually, Akuma have access to a very convenient charm that makes them all but undetectable. Loom-Snarling Deception, an Ebon Dragon charm, available to all Akuma regardless of their patron.

    Of course, the ED reserves the right to revoke its use at any time, but it at least allows you to fake being a Sidereal in Yu-Shan, since it changes your appearance and fate as a shaping effect, and can be explicitly used to pretend to be the person you were before your infernalization.

  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    It can, but those people are still going to notice that you're not in Fate a fair deal of time, not doing your job, etc

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • KrataLightbladeKrataLightblade Registered User
    edited November 2009
    It can, but those people are still going to notice that you're not in Fate a fair deal of time, not doing your job, etc

    That's when you find someone important anc donvince them you're REALLY working for JUST THEM and pass them a whole bunch of not-quite-perfect information and have them squash any investigation into your activities.

    Or just convince everyone you work for Oversight... Of course, Oversight might be a bit pissy about this, but they're going to be your biggest worry anyway, right?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I was intending to play a Sidereal who had "gone rogue," in any case. I may still pick up Loom-Snarling Deception, though, just because it's cool.

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