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Veterans Day

ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
edited November 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
"In order to insure proper and widespread observance of this anniversary, all veterans, all veterans' organizations, and the entire citizenry will wish to join hands in the common purpose. Toward this end, I am designating the Administrator of Veterans' Affairs as Chairman of a Veterans Day National Committee, which shall include such other persons as the Chairman may select, and which will coordinate at the national level necessary planning for the observance. I am also requesting the heads of all departments and agencies of the Executive branch of the Government to assist the National Committee in every way possible."

On November 11th, 1918 at 11 AM Paris time, the Armistice with Germany came into effect. World War I was ended on the eleventh hour, of the eleventh day of the eleventh month. One year later, President Woodrow Wilson proclaimed Armistice Day to be celebrated on November 11th, 1919. Seven years later, Congress would request that it be made into a national holiday, to be observed every year. In 1953 Al King began a campaign to make Armistice Day a day to celebrate all Veterans. One year later, President Eisenhower would sign in to law, a bill to make this day a national Holiday to celebrate the service of all of our Veterans.

On this day, America celebrates the service of all who have served our country, those living and those who have died. Other nations take this day to remember their fallen brethren in WWI. To those members of this forum who celebrate Remembrance Day, I invite you to join in the discussions. I am asking that we limit the scope of this thread to celebrating those who have served, and remembering those who have fallen. Political discussions would perhaps be better suited to take place in other threads.

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The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. On Novemeber 11th, 1921 an unidentified US serviceman from WWI was entombed there.

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The Tomb of the Unknown Warrior. On November 11th, 1920 an unidentified British serviceman from WWI was entombed in Westminster Abby.

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The Canadian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. On May 28th, 2000 an unknown Canadian serviceman from WWI was buried here.

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  • BogartBogart Mr. Lady Anime Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I was in London this year for the Remembrance Day service. It was the first one with no British veterans of the First World War, as they have all passed away in the preceding year.

  • BobCescaBobCesca Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I do have to say that the "official" service this Remembrance Sunday was beautiful (thank you Radio 4).

    This is the one day I actually observe.

  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Great OP Thom

    I'm in Iraq right now and totally forgot about this. Irony

    I'd say more but I wouldn't know how to articulate it. Just assume whenever mcdermott posts that's what I think about it as well

  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Bogart wrote: »
    I was in London this year for the Remembrance Day service. It was the first one with no British veterans of the First World War, as they have all passed away in the preceding year.

    We still have one alive. Frank Woodruff Buckles. I met him a decade or so ago, and even at his advanced age continues to this day to speak in front of history classes. He's also campaigning for a WWI memorial.

  • BogartBogart Mr. Lady Anime Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Me and the missus enjoyed the Westminster parade of old soldiers, especially those with magnificent facial hair. The Gurkhas got the biggest cheer as they marched past, everyone still mindful of the long-overdue rights to settle in Britain they've won this last year. We saw about 30 or so of them standing in silence before the recent Gurkha memorial statue just off Pall Mall after the parade.

    The silence was observed by everyone in the crowd except the schmuck in front of me, but he was a thicko kid and his nanny was embarrased enough to put him in a headlock and cover his mouth with her hand, so I decided against throttling him.

    One veteran had to have a sit down on the parade, but since he looked about 95 I figured he could do with it. In stark contrast the memorial service I attend every year in Nottingham is paraded mostly by utterly feeble cadets, one year 8 of whom had to have a sit down because standing to attention had tired them out.

  • Saint MadnessSaint Madness Registered User
    edited November 2009
    Angela Merkel attended the memorial services in France this year, just goes to show how far Europe has really come.

  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    . . .

    What sort of soldiers are those you are to lead?
    Are they reliable? Are they brave?
    Are they capable of victory?

    Their story is known to all of you
    It is the story
    Of the American man-at-arms
    My estimate of him was formed on the battlefield
    Many, many years ago
    And has never changed
    His name and fame are the birthright
    Of every American citizen

    In twenty campaigns
    On a hundred battlefields
    Around a thousand campfires
    I have witnessed that enduring fortitude
    That patriotic self-abnegation
    And that invincible determination which
    Have carved his statue in the hearts of his people

    In memory's eye I see those staggering columns
    Of the First World War
    Bending under soggy packs
    On many a weary march from dripping dusk to
    Drizzling dawn, slogging ankle-deep through the
    Mire of shell-shocked roads, to form grimly
    For the attack

    Blue-lipped, covered with sludge and mud
    Chilled by the wind and rain
    Driving home to their objective
    And for many
    To the judgment seat of God

    I do not know the dignity of their birth
    But I do know the glory
    Of their death

    Always, for them
    Duty, Honor, Country
    Always their blood and
    Sweat and tears

    And twenty years after
    On the other side of the globe

    Again
    The filth of murky foxholes,
    The stench of ghostly trenches
    The slime of dripping dugouts

    Those boiling suns of relentless heat
    Those torrential rains of devastating storms
    The loneliness and utter desolation
    Of jungle trails
    The bitterness of long separation
    From those they loved and cherished
    The deadly pestilence of tropical disease
    The horror of stricken areas of war

    Their resolute and determined defense
    Their swift and sure attack
    Their indomitable purpose
    Their complete
    And decisive victory –
    Always victory
    Always

    Through the bloody haze
    Of their last reverberating shot,
    The vision of gaunt
    Ghastly men
    Reverently following your password of
    Duty, Honor, Country

    The soldier, above all other people
    Prays for peace
    For he must suffer
    And bear the deepest wounds
    And scars of war

    But always in our ears ring the
    Ominous words of Plato

    Only the dead have seen the end of war

    . . .

    Being walkers with the dawn and morning,
    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I love that poem, Speaker.

    So today on West Point they're holding a Veterans Day ruck march for anyone who wants to participate. It's a fundraising effort for our Veterans, and I think it's awesome. I unfortunately cannot participate because of practice. The amount of people that have shown up to this thing is staggering, it's not just cadets, there are civilians all over the place.

    For all of you who have spent some time in the sandbox, thanks for what you guys have done / are doing. I'll be out there with you guys in a couple more years hopefully :lol:

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I love that poem, Speaker.

    So today on West Point they're holding a Veterans Day ruck march for anyone who wants to participate. It's a fundraising effort for our Veterans, and I think it's awesome. I unfortunately cannot participate because of practice. The amount of people that have shown up to this thing is staggering, it's not just cadets, there are civilians all over the place.

    For all of you who have spent some time in the sandbox, thanks for what you guys have done / are doing. I'll be out there with you guys in a couple more years hopefully :lol:

    I'll save you a porta john :lol:

  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in mah dickRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Sadly I'm working today as I would have liked to have attended the service they have at the park a couple of streets away from where I live. My grandfather served in WW2 and I've participated in Rememberance Day ceremonies when I was in High School as part of the concert band.

    One year we were asked to play at a local legion and the chaplin started into a bit of a...rant about homosexuals. On Rememberance Day. Needless to say it was awkward and one of the legion members piped up and told him now was not the time and someone else put a hand on his shoulder and escorted him aside.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Reminder: if you're a veteran you eat free at Appleby's today.

    Woooooo!

  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Santabreaker PresentslayerRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I work with a lot of war vets at my job.

    I have thanked each one of them and told them of the Applesbee's thing.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Thank you Iron Weasel, I was just going to quote that, but I'm glad someone already has.

    Fun fact; I'm named after a distant relative who died in the line of duty near the end of World War II, with his middle and first name switched.

    Or at least, that's what I've been told.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I really hope they catch those assholes who defiled the memorial in Fredericton and string them up by their dicks.

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in mah dickRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Forar wrote: »
    Thank you Iron Weasel, I was just going to quote that, but I'm glad someone already has.

    Fun fact; I'm named after a distant relative who died in the line of duty near the end of World War II, with his middle and first name switched.

    Or at least, that's what I've been told.

    My middle name is from a great uncle who fought in WW1.

    desc wrote: »
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  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I really hope they catch those assholes who defiled the memorial in Fredericton and string them up by their dicks.

    Wait what?

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I really hope they catch those assholes who defiled the memorial in Fredericton and string them up by their dicks.

    Wait what?

    http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/front/article/853647

    Damn it, it's fucking noon. I demand to know if Yami shit on a desk yet.
  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I suppose this is relevant enough to the thread; the funeral service for the Fort Hood shooting.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I really hope they catch those assholes who defiled the memorial in Fredericton and string them up by their dicks.

    Wait what?
    Some stupid bastards decided it would be a good idea to desecrate a war memorial in Fredericton. And I don't just mean they spray painted it or something (which would have been awful enough) - they actually toppled a 10-foot, steel-reinforced stone cross. It's going to be fixed of course, but this happened on Sunday night, so the memorial is still damaged today.

    It makes me so mad.


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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Damn it, it's fucking noon. I demand to know if Yami shit on a desk yet.
  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Veteran's Day brings up mixed emotions for me. I'm a teacher, and teachers are often accorded tremendous respect. We're generally at or near the top of the list of most respected professions. But, let's face it, many teachers are incompetent, mean-spirited, or apathetic. When I tell people that I'm a teacher, they tend to automatically regard me more positively, even if they don't know anything else about me. I could be a really shitty teacher, but I'm a teacher. I don't deserve respect purely for my profession, but rather for what I do with it.

    Similarly, I've never thought that a person deserves honor and respect purely for being a veteran. There are lots of vets that are selfish, violent douchebags who just wanted to shoot a gun or use a uniform to pick up chicks. At the same time, the dedication that many vets show, the time and effort they put into helping others, and the raw love of country and liberty that they embody is breathtaking. I also know that as a privileged suburban kid, I can't possibly understand the dangers, stresses, and generally shittiness that they have to deal with. Especially in a time of increasingly hopeless, foolish, endless war, the fact that people would choose to join the Army (or other branches) is mind-boggling and admirable.

    Keep kicking ass, guys. We'll keep the home fires burning.

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in mah dickRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I really hope they catch those assholes who defiled the memorial in Fredericton and string them up by their dicks.

    Wait what?
    Some stupid bastards decided it would be a good idea to desecrate a war memorial in Fredericton. And I don't just mean they spray painted it or something (which would have been awful enough) - they actually toppled a 10-foot, steel-reinforced stone cross. It's going to be fixed of course, but this happened on Sunday night, so the memorial is still damaged today.

    It makes me so mad.


    Beaten, handily.

    I heard this on the radio first thing yesterday morning. I live in Moncton so it's been a hot topic here for the past little bit. They're still going through with the Rememberance Day ceremony but yeah, I hope they catch those punks. It was a pretty big cenotaph too so sadly it couldn't have been an accident or just one person. If I recall though, Fredericton has had a few instances of some racist markings painted in places around the city. I wouldn't be surprised if this was somehow linked.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Gonmun wrote: »
    I heard this on the radio first thing yesterday morning. I live in Moncton so it's been a hot topic here for the past little bit. They're still going through with the Rememberance Day ceremony but yeah, I hope they catch those punks. It was a pretty big cenotaph too so sadly it couldn't have been an accident or just one person. If I recall though, Fredericton has had a few instances of some racist markings painted in places around the city. I wouldn't be surprised if this was somehow linked.

    What a fucked up thing to do.

  • MachismoMachismo Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Thank you veterans. It is a continued tragedy that the world needs people like you, but thank you for your service.

    In my company, we make great efforts to hire veterans. We have a number of air force, army, navy, and marines working for us that are now retired or detached. Good folks. Smart as hell. Many using the benefits to pursue a degree. Ia m proud to call them friends and colleagues.

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in mah dickRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Gonmun wrote: »
    I heard this on the radio first thing yesterday morning. I live in Moncton so it's been a hot topic here for the past little bit. They're still going through with the Rememberance Day ceremony but yeah, I hope they catch those punks. It was a pretty big cenotaph too so sadly it couldn't have been an accident or just one person. If I recall though, Fredericton has had a few instances of some racist markings painted in places around the city. I wouldn't be surprised if this was somehow linked.

    What a fucked up thing to do.

    I completely agree. I remember a few years ago there was someone spotted pissing on the war memorial in Ottawa actually during the Rememberance Day service. Man, I was half expecting a thorough beatdown of the guy.

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  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Reminder: if you're a veteran you eat free at Appleby's today.

    Woooooo!
    is that a threat?

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in mah dickRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    I was hoping that I could have found some steam of the Rememberance Day ceremony in Ottawa but apparantly my work is being a pain in the ass today.

    desc wrote: »
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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Reminder: if you're a veteran you eat free at Appleby's today.

    Woooooo!
    is that a threat?

    Haha, well, it's a step up from Golden Corral at least.

  • AlyceInWonderlandAlyceInWonderland Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    To all of those serving in the military on PA (Hell, everywhere), thank you. You're doing something that I could never have the courage to do, and doing something I greatly admire. So, thank you, very very much.

  • SpacemilkSpacemilk Registered User
    edited November 2009
    GoodOmens wrote: »
    Similarly, I've never thought that a person deserves honor and respect purely for being a veteran.
    I disagree with you a little. I understand where you're coming from; the problem is, in any noble profession there are human beings, and human beings tend to have flaws. Just because some people are shitty doesn't mean your first response should be to assume they are shitty also, and withhold respect.

    So, everyone who participates in a noble profession - whether they are a doctor, a teacher, or a soldier - deserves initial respect simply for their participation. They may lose that respect for doing a shitty job, but when someone tells you their profession and it is noble, your very first response should be respect - that is correct. Should they do something to lose that respect as it pertains to their profession, then in my opinion you may allow your respect to lessen.

    I can think of several vets who I think are complete dickheads - one in particular I particularly loathe, as a person. He's a complete asshole to me, because I went to his college's rival college. (stupidest fucking reason ever, imo) I would avoid the shit out of him normally, but on today of all days I will seek him out and tell him I appreciate his service. Because even though he's a dick to me personally, I respect him highly as a soldier and I respect his service to my country. Not every soldier is Jesus incarnate; for all their flaws they are still excellent soldiers and they are still willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    Reminder: if you're a veteran you eat free at Appleby's today.

    Woooooo!
    is that a threat?

    Haha, well, it's a step up from Golden Corral at least.

    You have no soul. Though that could be the complete lack of Golden Corral within 250 miles talking...


    As for Veteran's Day, we have a very nice cemetery right down the road with a number of veterans buried. Every war is represented from the Revolutionary right up through Iraq. I just got back a few minutes ago from the short ceremony there put on by the VFW and local Masons. Very nice.

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  • Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2009
    Holy shit my blood is boiling. The Cenotaph in my town had a swastika painted on it overnight.

    I kind of wish pi day would take off like 420 has. I could back a "eat pie at 3:14, erryday" movement.
  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    My neighbor bakes me cookies every vets day. They're super republican but they're nice.

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  • L*2*G*XL*2*G*X Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Just wanted to add a differing opinion...

    Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.

    Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.

    But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.

    So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.

    The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...

    They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.

    Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.

    Now that's ironic.

    And a god-damned shame.



    Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    My family has people from every generation serve it seems. My grandfather served as a corpsman in the Pacific during WWII and my late grandmother as a Navy WAVE, two uncles who served in the Army and Air Force respectively, my brother currently kicking all sorts of ass in the Army (Seriously, had his picture taken with the president a couple years ago after receiving a leadership award from him), and me hanging out in the Navy.

    It's definitely nice having that many people to talk to about the military.

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  • OatsOats Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    Ils ne vieilliront pas
    comme nous, qui leur avons survécu.
    Ils ne connaîtront jamais
    l'outrage ni le poids des années.
    Quand viendra l'heur du crépuscule
    et celle de l'aurore,
    nous nous souviendrons d'eux.

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
    Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
    They fell with their faces to the foe.
    They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
    At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
    We will remember them.

  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited November 2009
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    Just wanted to add a differing opinion...

    Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.

    Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.

    But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.

    So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.

    The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...

    They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.

    Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.

    Now that's ironic.

    And a god-damned shame.
    o_O




    o_O

  • ShockwaveShockwave Registered User regular
    edited November 2009
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    Just wanted to add a differing opinion...

    Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.

    Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.

    But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.

    So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.

    The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...

    They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.

    Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.

    Now that's ironic.

    And a god-damned shame.



    Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?

    You just don't get it, do you. The only reason you're here, contemplating your anarchistic fruitopia is because hundreds of thousands of men died keeping your family from becoming slaves or just plain dead. We'll always need a military because there is always going to be some jack off who wants to take what you have.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2009
    L*2*G*X wrote: »
    Just wanted to add a differing opinion...

    Over here we call today 'Wapenstilstand', which is Dutch for Armistice. But we also celebrate veterans, dress them up in uniforms, show off medals.

    Which is a shame. It should be about the victims of war. And sure a lot of those are soldiers. Or, if they survived, veterans.

    But being a soldier is about being ready to kill. Ready to die, too, but since soldiers are (outside of recent western armies) young and brimming with testosterone it's not something they can truly consider beforehand.

    So all of those war victims? There wouldn't be a single one if there weren't any soldiers. No soldiers, no armies, no war.

    The worst part about today's celebrations is that it cons young people into thinking that there's something heroic about dying. All the pomp and medals and those damned poppies...

    They're just there to convince a new generation to go out and get killed. And kill.

    Creating new veterans, and new victims of war.

    Now that's ironic.

    And a god-damned shame.



    Armistice day should be about ending wars. Which was popular with the people back in 1918. I'll leave it up to your imagination what kind of people didn't like the idea of peace. Do you really think they would have gotten anywhere without soldiers?
    o_O
    As a vet, I can honestly say go fuck yourself.

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