Repub- you know what's best for you and should make your own decisions, and the government should not interfere with things that can be handled in the private sector because of unfair purchasing and regulation power.
Dems- we know what's best for you and are going to step in for your own good, and the government should get involved when needed because the private industry is out for profit and not for the common good.
You know, when stripping each party's ideology down to the bare basics, you could at least make an effort to present both sides fairly.
What an ineffectual ultra-partisan. I hate you, Nancy.
She got healthcare through. It's really Reid that's the useless one.
Yes, and what a wonderful job she did of effectively banning abortion.
There's no way anything that even looks like Stupak-Pitts makes it through the Senate.
I would not be so sure of that. It will probably be stripped out in conference regardless, though.
There are too many Dem Senators that are still in the party purely because they're a Pro-Choice vote.
Baucus jumps to mind, as does the newly minted Specter. Baucus specifically is quick to remind anyone who badmouths him that he's a pro-choice vote from Montana. Those people, combined with the progressive caucus, aren't going to let that get through. I just can't see it happening.
Not that it should have gotten through the House, either.
We aren't talking about 'the right situations' here, we're talking about H.R. 3962.
You aren't supposed to be doing either one in this thread.
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I'm not quite sure what's there to discuss here. You'd be hardpressed to find anyone on PA who would be OK with burning Pelosi dolls.
The only vaguely viable answer would be along the lines of "it's just an effigy, we would *NEVER* violently murder that bitch"
Im fine with burning Pelosi dolls, but to be fair if I was going to lead an angry mob to violently murder people in DC she is not the top of the list.
I'm not, but it has nothing to do with speech or violence implications. I just find it trite and disrespectful of fire.
It seems like a waste of time. If you really want to pique interest, you'd fill the effigy with candy and have people smack it with baseball bats until the candy came out. Of course, that's probably too non-white for the folks who'll be at the rally.
Meh... protesting is generally filled with morons regardless if the left or right is doing it. There was a Free Mumia protest that some folks were recruiting for in a political science class i took in college, and their argument to get people to come out was "basically he is innocent". about 20 people signed up... Seriously, if I am going to march for some dude in a city 2 hours away, "basically he is innocent" isn't going to cut it for me.
tl;dr 90% Protesters (left or right) have no idea what they are really protesting.
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Meh... protesting is generally filled with morons regardless if the left or right is doing it. There was a Free Mumia protest that some folks were recruiting for in a political science class i took in college, and their argument to get people to come out was "basically he is innocent". about 20 people signed up... Seriously, if I am going to march for some dude in a city 2 hours away, "basically he is innocent" isn't going to cut it for me.
tl;dr 90% Protesters (left or right) have no idea what they are really protesting.
Yeah, Mumia's about 7 kinds of guilty.
He's just also a victim of the Philly police force's ability to convict whoever they want on whatever they want, regardless of evidence.
Meh... protesting is generally filled with morons regardless if the left or right is doing it. There was a Free Mumia protest that some folks were recruiting for in a political science class i took in college, and their argument to get people to come out was "basically he is innocent". about 20 people signed up... Seriously, if I am going to march for some dude in a city 2 hours away, "basically he is innocent" isn't going to cut it for me.
tl;dr 90% Protesters (left or right) have no idea what they are really protesting.
Yeah, Mumia's about 7 kinds of guilty.
He's just also a victim of the Philly police force's ability to convict whoever they want on whatever they want, regardless of evidence.
which is what i found online after class. He was a favorite topic for ucsc protesters and i seriously can't figure out why he was picked to be the "political prisoner" poster boy.
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Meh... protesting is generally filled with morons regardless if the left or right is doing it. There was a Free Mumia protest that some folks were recruiting for in a political science class i took in college, and their argument to get people to come out was "basically he is innocent". about 20 people signed up... Seriously, if I am going to march for some dude in a city 2 hours away, "basically he is innocent" isn't going to cut it for me.
tl;dr 90% Protesters (left or right) have no idea what they are really protesting.
Yeah, Mumia's about 7 kinds of guilty.
He's just also a victim of the Philly police force's ability to convict whoever they want on whatever they want, regardless of evidence.
which is what i found online after class. He was a favorite topic for ucsc protesters and i seriously can't figure out why he was picked to be the "political prisoner" poster boy.
He got fucked 7 ways from Sunday by the system, basically. He legally deserves a new trial, but he's guilty as hell so it's unlikely to do him any good.
"We've been getting a lot of flack about this," Danville TEA Party chairman Nigel Coleman told the Lynchburg News & Advance, "about burning those two in effigy and a lot of people in the public are unhappy about it. The story has gotten so large, it's kinda strange."
"We've been getting a lot of flack about this," Danville TEA Party chairman Nigel Coleman told the Lynchburg News & Advance, "about burning those two in effigy and a lot of people in the public are unhappy about it. The story has gotten so large, it's kinda strange."
Does this really count as protected free speech? It seems more like a death threat, to me. They wouldn't be allowed to make a public speech saying "I intend to burn these people alive".
Saying "Boy, I sure hope someone shoots that damn darkie in the White House!" counts as a death threat to the Secret Service even though the statement doesn't necessarily mean you're planning to do anything.
"We've been getting a lot of flack about this," Danville TEA Party chairman Nigel Coleman told the Lynchburg News & Advance, "about burning those two in effigy and a lot of people in the public are unhappy about it. The story has gotten so large, it's kinda strange."
It's just north of N****rtown on the Die Darkies Die Expressway.
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Does this really count as protected free speech? It seems more like a death threat, to me. They wouldn't be allowed to make a public speech saying "I intend to burn these people alive".
Burning in effigy is a pretty well-known statement of dislike, but I don't think it's considered as a threat by most people.
Someone arrested for such a burning would have very strong 1st Amendment defenses.
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"We'll burn an effigy!"
"OK. Perfectly legal expression of free speech."
"But... but... you're supposed to be outraged!"
I get the impression that they're really desperate for some sort of martyrship to vindicate themselves by proving that Obama's Out To Get Them.
Put it that way, and it kind of reminds me of Mister Garrison on South Park, always proclaiming loudly that whatever burly men are nearby shouldn't visciously have their way with him.
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“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Does this really count as protected free speech? It seems more like a death threat, to me. They wouldn't be allowed to make a public speech saying "I intend to burn these people alive".
Burning in effigy is a pretty well-known statement of dislike, but I don't think it's considered as a threat by most people.
Someone arrested for such a burning would have very strong 1st Amendment defenses.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
I still don't see why a good old effigy burning causes the freak outs.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
I still don't see why a good old effigy burning causes the freak outs.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
The president is already tarred. Why do you think they're so angry?
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
I think not. The Germans, despite their many serious character flaws, did have one thing that Bush detractors lacked... style.
Sure, they committed hate crimes like they were going out of fashion and put millions to death, but... you have to admit, Speer did have a flair for drama.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
I still don't see why a good old effigy burning causes the freak outs.
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
The president is already tarred. Why do you think they're so angry?
“It was a mistake not to see beforehand that this would be controversial,” he allowed. “The general public didn’t exactly understand what we were going after.”
Penchant for understatement noted.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Regardless of whether or not people should be offended and outraged, I'm shocked that anybody could not know this was going to happen.
Which is why I'm pretty sure this was planned all along. Publicity and news coverage++
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You know, when stripping each party's ideology down to the bare basics, you could at least make an effort to present both sides fairly.
How is it any worse than burning Bush in effigy?
The tea partiers politics may be wrong, but that doesn't mean that they don't have first amendment rights.
And where, exactly, did you see somebody in the thread saying they didn't have the right to do this?
Who are you disagreeing with?
Baucus jumps to mind, as does the newly minted Specter. Baucus specifically is quick to remind anyone who badmouths him that he's a pro-choice vote from Montana. Those people, combined with the progressive caucus, aren't going to let that get through. I just can't see it happening.
Not that it should have gotten through the House, either.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
You aren't supposed to be doing either one in this thread.
That's not an overreaction at all.
It seems like a waste of time. If you really want to pique interest, you'd fill the effigy with candy and have people smack it with baseball bats until the candy came out. Of course, that's probably too non-white for the folks who'll be at the rally.
tl;dr 90% Protesters (left or right) have no idea what they are really protesting.
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Or do you always ignore someone if they give you the TLDR version first?
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He's just also a victim of the Philly police force's ability to convict whoever they want on whatever they want, regardless of evidence.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
which is what i found online after class. He was a favorite topic for ucsc protesters and i seriously can't figure out why he was picked to be the "political prisoner" poster boy.
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They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/tea-party-group-getting-cold-feet-about-burning-perriello-and-pelosi-in-effigy.php?ref=fpb
Really?
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It's just north of N****rtown on the Die Darkies Die Expressway.
Someone arrested for such a burning would have very strong 1st Amendment defenses.
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Put it that way, and it kind of reminds me of Mister Garrison on South Park, always proclaiming loudly that whatever burly men are nearby shouldn't visciously have their way with him.
Penchant for understatement noted.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Hell, it's a bloody national holiday in England.
I'm rather shocked that people flipped out to begin with. Burning in effigy is a national past time it would seem. I mean hell, for all the up roar you'd think they were going to tar and feather someone.
Not really. Fire tends to be kept away from protests anymore, thankfully, since it just doesn't really do anything but make you look like an idiot. Whether you're burning a flag, a bra, or someone you don't like. Even the most ridiculous of the anti-Bush protests pretty much just stuck to the Hitler camp.
I still don't see why a good old effigy burning causes the freak outs.
Anachronism?
The president is already tarred. Why do you think they're so angry?
I think not. The Germans, despite their many serious character flaws, did have one thing that Bush detractors lacked... style.
Sure, they committed hate crimes like they were going out of fashion and put millions to death, but... you have to admit, Speer did have a flair for drama.
well fucking played
Regardless of whether or not people should be offended and outraged, I'm shocked that anybody could not know this was going to happen.
Which is why I'm pretty sure this was planned all along. Publicity and news coverage++