Desc. I'm honestly curious, where are you having these Socratic dialogs that the internet just isn’t suited to? Because I’ve seen this come up plenty, like in general everywhere and I find it real hard to believe the people bitching about how ill suited the internet is for ‘actual’ debates have them elsewhere. They're not sitting their reading Quine or Davidson in their freetime.
My griping isn't really about the Interbutts vs. having actual proper debates with podiums and then two guys in fancy hats come to a conclusion, it's more that I feel like the amount of emotional energy people pour onto these debates when the debate as a whole is not going to move anywhere is typical of any generic internet debate and it leaves me sort of baffled/depressed depending on my day.
I should probably have just said, "I don't get where most debates are ever going," because usually I read people typing rather heatedly past each other, or at loggerheads on some topic over which both of them have decided an opinion. That's what it looks like to me, anyway -- like I said, I'm sure people are having some sort fencing-like thrill as they jab and lunge semantic debates and anecdotes left and right and the issue isn't trying to persuade someone to agree.
I'm sure that people all over the internet are having "ah ha!" moments even when they are disagreeing and I'm just not paying attention, but I feel like the removal of the social cues people thrive on through pure text really makes it tricky to maintain some sense of "I am talking to other humans" once people start arguing. I think the internet does weird things to peoples' communication in general, not just debates.
Meh, I'm just getting old. When I was younger, I had a thick skin and would debate anything quite heatedly with anyone at the drop of a hat. Now I'm a wuss and lazy.
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Anyway, cenj and passerbye, let's let bygones be bygones and have cake.
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Drez, I would say your language wasn't vague. You outright accused both Jewcar and I of coming in here and making obnoxious comments specifically about you, instead of thread trends in general. Like I said, it's not all about you.
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Drez, I would say your language wasn't vague. You outright accused both Jewcar and I of coming in here and making obnoxious comments specifically about you, instead of thread trends in general. Like I said, it's not all about you.
Oh look, my Orzo tea is ready. And hey, I found a kitten photo!
Oh my language definitely wasn't vague. I did accuse you both and I'm sorry but I still believe my arguments there led to your posts here despite what you are saying. I was actually accusing cenj more than you. I just think you fundamentally disagree and got bored arguing. However my comments also have broader scope because cenj isn't the only one that does it.
If you want to call me egotistical because cenj called me a strawman in one thread and then made a general comment about people that strawman in this thread IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT and hold a grudge for that, so be it.
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But they cost as much as an affordable car and require a lot of room and time and attention and I don't have $10k-20k to blow on a pet, so it's not happening.
Slightly large pic of a Savannah kitten:
Are those the cat breed that's horribly inbred?
The ones that get really huge?
If so, my mom knew one whose genetics were so fucked up that it had to wear a diaper.
Cat eugenics
I don't ... think so? I mean, I could see them getting inbred with a limited supply of them out there. But ... I think that's something else.
These are housecat<->serval crossbreeds. At 1st generation, they're half serval and fairly big (20-30 lbs for a big male). Behaviorally they are supposed to be pretty mild due to being half housecat, and the generations after that will only be a quarter or less serval, thus cheaper, and more generically housecatty.
Apparently they're very sweet, very vocal, and they like to go on leashed walks, play in water, sleep on the bed like a dog, and so on. It seems like you'd get exotic cat looks but roughly housecat-like manageability. Best of both worlds!
Ho ho ho. Now I am in Boston. And you know what that means? I can now eat out with reckless abandon and charge it to the British taxpayer. I'm going to find me a steak.
Wait what? You're in my city?
How long are you here for?!
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Doesn't that make the debate if anything more pure, you're less likely to point out to some person in the seminar you're in that they're being retarded. The argument should be seperate from the person making it.
If you want to call me egotistical because cenj called me a strawman in one thread and then made a general comment about people that strawman in this thread IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT and hold a grudge for that, so be it.
No, I just don't want to be accused of doing something I wasn't. You've apologized, though, so it's fine.
If you want to call me egotistical because cenj called me a strawman in one thread and then made a general comment about people that strawman in this thread IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT and hold a grudge for that, so be it.
No, I just don't want to be accused of doing something I wasn't. You've apologized, though, so it's fine.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qB2XzITohQ
My griping isn't really about the Interbutts vs. having actual proper debates with podiums and then two guys in fancy hats come to a conclusion, it's more that I feel like the amount of emotional energy people pour onto these debates when the debate as a whole is not going to move anywhere is typical of any generic internet debate and it leaves me sort of baffled/depressed depending on my day.
I should probably have just said, "I don't get where most debates are ever going," because usually I read people typing rather heatedly past each other, or at loggerheads on some topic over which both of them have decided an opinion. That's what it looks like to me, anyway -- like I said, I'm sure people are having some sort fencing-like thrill as they jab and lunge semantic debates and anecdotes left and right and the issue isn't trying to persuade someone to agree.
I'm sure that people all over the internet are having "ah ha!" moments even when they are disagreeing and I'm just not paying attention, but I feel like the removal of the social cues people thrive on through pure text really makes it tricky to maintain some sense of "I am talking to other humans" once people start arguing. I think the internet does weird things to peoples' communication in general, not just debates.
Meh, I'm just getting old. When I was younger, I had a thick skin and would debate anything quite heatedly with anyone at the drop of a hat. Now I'm a wuss and lazy.
I learned my lesson once about posting in an obvious spam/troll thread. :P
Or I might just be reading too much into it.
Then go read up on food and drink!
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I hate that llama. He's stupid.
so good
be fair Justin. we have more than one drama llama.
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I aspire to one day be a drama llama. I just don't have the proper skill set right now.
Oh my language definitely wasn't vague. I did accuse you both and I'm sorry but I still believe my arguments there led to your posts here despite what you are saying. I was actually accusing cenj more than you. I just think you fundamentally disagree and got bored arguing. However my comments also have broader scope because cenj isn't the only one that does it.
If you want to call me egotistical because cenj called me a strawman in one thread and then made a general comment about people that strawman in this thread IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT and hold a grudge for that, so be it.
Because you're linking them as "http//" instead of "http://"
That would explain what I stepped in when I came in.
I don't ... think so? I mean, I could see them getting inbred with a limited supply of them out there. But ... I think that's something else.
These are housecat<->serval crossbreeds. At 1st generation, they're half serval and fairly big (20-30 lbs for a big male). Behaviorally they are supposed to be pretty mild due to being half housecat, and the generations after that will only be a quarter or less serval, thus cheaper, and more generically housecatty.
Apparently they're very sweet, very vocal, and they like to go on leashed walks, play in water, sleep on the bed like a dog, and so on. It seems like you'd get exotic cat looks but roughly housecat-like manageability. Best of both worlds!
edit: Video link about these: http://animal.discovery.com/videos/cats-101-savannah.html
Because there is justice in this world
Wait what? You're in my city?
How long are you here for?!
Actually, it's because your links have "http://" in them twice.
hay bebe
I have a FAQ on gamefaqs.
I'm going to have to file a complaint if Justin gets to meet Mojo and I don't.
edit - and I already didn't
No, I just don't want to be accused of doing something I wasn't. You've apologized, though, so it's fine.
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I have it and I hated it.
Y-you're mom is a masturbation log.
Fine. Let's have make-up cake.