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Amanda Knox, acquitted of murder - Italian court orders new trial after appeal

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  • Saint MadnessSaint Madness Registered User
    edited December 2009
    Someone could easily have killed him.

    There is nothing laudable about breaking an old man's teeth.

  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User
    edited December 2009
    If there is a person alive today that deserves to have his teeth busted in, Berlusconi is really fucking high on the list. So yes, I do laud the dude that did that, and feel sorry for the fact that Berlusconi no doubt has thugs beating him senseless this very moment. Seriously, he is leaning towards being a modern Mussolini and that fucker got what he deserved too.
    Hell if he had died I would have felt a little happier, since then Itally at least maybe would have had a chance to elect a half decent leader who did not control large portions of the media and was not so corrupt to his core.

    Yepp, THE Fjafjan (who's THE fjafjan?)
    - "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    If the man is an absolute scumbag and had run their country into the ground, then I think it kind of is.

  • Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2009
    It isn't laudable because there is a justice system, albeit a flawed one, designed to give out justice, not some random fuckwit with a statue. The people who are happy about this and then comparing Berlusconi to Mussolini are hilarious.

    I kind of wish pi day would take off like 420 has. I could back a "eat pie at 3:14, erryday" movement.
  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User
    edited December 2009
    Yeah except when the guy in question has instituted laws that says you cannot punish him or trial him you're in some sort of quasi dictatorship and suddenly killing him is not such a bad thing.

    Yepp, THE Fjafjan (who's THE fjafjan?)
    - "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
  • Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2009
    Could I see evidence of those laws please? I'm seeing that some laws he has passed have benefited him, but nothing about immunity from the law.

    I kind of wish pi day would take off like 420 has. I could back a "eat pie at 3:14, erryday" movement.
  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User
    edited December 2009
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodo_Alfano

    For more information about what a huge scumbag he is, look at his wiki page. (yes there might be wiki bias, but you can look up the fact and the various stories from whatever outlet you like)

    Yepp, THE Fjafjan (who's THE fjafjan?)
    - "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
  • JuliusJulius Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Saying "We got a justice-system for this" when Berlusconi is involved is motherfucking ironic. He has done everything in his power to not be prosecuted for his crimes. At the moment the only way he'll face a judge without getting away is not being the leader anymore.

    And he'll probably try to pass some law that means he'll stay on till his death.



    regardless, that doesn't mean he can be beat up. I mean, he obviously can but it's not the way to go about it.

  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    fjafjan wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodo_Alfano

    For more information about what a huge scumbag he is, look at his wiki page. (yes there might be wiki bias, but you can look up the fact and the various stories from whatever outlet you like)

    They have also been overturned and corruption trials against him have resumed.

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  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User
    edited December 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    fjafjan wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodo_Alfano

    For more information about what a huge scumbag he is, look at his wiki page. (yes there might be wiki bias, but you can look up the fact and the various stories from whatever outlet you like)

    They have also been overturned and corruption trials against him have resumed.

    He's been in that situation for 20 years and so far he has escaped by making custom laws, drawing out the process and bribing judges.

    Yepp, THE Fjafjan (who's THE fjafjan?)
    - "Proving once again the deadliest animal of all ... is the Zoo Keeper" - Philip J Fry
  • JuliusJulius Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Demiurge wrote: »
    fjafjan wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodo_Alfano

    For more information about what a huge scumbag he is, look at his wiki page. (yes there might be wiki bias, but you can look up the fact and the various stories from whatever outlet you like)

    They have also been overturned and corruption trials against him have resumed.

    But it's doubtfull they're going to succeed.

    Silvio does not care about your paltry human objections. He's going to get away with this regardless of you pesky meddling kids.



    (Anyone can photoshop Berlusconi being a Lizardman?)

  • JuliusJulius Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    (or him being unmasked as the villain in a Scooby Doo episode?)

  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User
    (necro'ing)

    So Knox was acquitted on appeal.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20115000-504083.html

    And hilariously, the esteemed Daily Mail UK took the opportunity to publish the following

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    I hear Dewey also defeats Truman, on page 2.


    Italy, meanwhile, will move on to prosecuting more geologists for not predicting earthquakes accurately enough. Satanic, sex-crazed geologists, I bet.

  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    A part of me thinks the only reason the overturned her sentence was because they didn't want a shitstorm from the Americans.

  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    A part of me thinks the only reason the overturned her sentence was because they didn't want a shitstorm from the Americans.

    I don't know, from what I've read the conviction was pretty sketchy.

    But, from what I've heard, that generally wouldn't have mattered in Italy. So...yeah. I suppose you may be correct, but that it's a good thing it happened.

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Wrath Registered User regular
    The sketchiest of the sketch

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  • UrcbubUrcbub Registered User
    So its true then, Americans are above the laws of other countries.

    Which has been the entire defense to start with.

  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Yup, that's it exactly.

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Carrion-Eater Registered User regular
    Urcbub wrote:
    So its true then, Americans are above the laws of other countries.

    Which has been the entire defense to start with.
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  • AshcroftAshcroft Gimme dem Yens Registered User regular
    Looking at the evidence, it's hard to understand how they were convicted in the first place.

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  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Ashcroft wrote:
    Looking at the evidence, it's hard to understand how they were convicted in the first place.

    1. She was a hot young girl.
    2. She was American.
    3. The police don't like to admit they got the wrong person.

    A lot of police, and I assume it's the same in Europe as in America, find one suspect for a case and use all their resources to convict that person.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    Ashcroft wrote:
    Looking at the evidence, it's hard to understand how they were convicted in the first place.

    1. She was a hot young girl.
    2. She was American.
    3. The police don't like to admit they got the wrong person.

    Pretty much. Being a hot young girl helps if you're a missing person, and can spur investigators if you're the victim, but as the accused? It's a crap shoot, and goes right to shit once it turns into "zomg satanic sex ritual." Because once you start getting awesome fantasies in peoples' heads, they don't want to let them go.

    That third bit is huge, too, though hardly unique to this case. It's a ridiculously common problem in nearly any justice system, because the cops want the case cleared. Everybody wants the case cleared. They want a culprit convicted, so they can move on. They don't necessarily care as much as you might hope that it's the right culprit.

    Both of these go double when you have a jury with full access to the media circus for a year during the trial.

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Wrath Registered User regular
    Urcbub wrote:
    So its true then, Americans are above the laws of other countries.

    Which has been the entire defense to start with.
    what is this

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck Registered User regular
    Urcbub wrote:
    So its true then, Americans are above the laws of other countries.

    Which has been the entire defense to start with.

    Huh? I think the defense was more like "you have no evidence".

  • So It GoesSo It Goes Sip. Sip sip sippy. I don't CARE! I LOVE ITRegistered User regular
    Hey, I remember starting this thread!

    Well, I am glad that she's done with it all.

    NO.
  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Pro: Can now speak perfect Italian.
    Con: Never want to set foot in Italy ever again.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes Sip. Sip sip sippy. I don't CARE! I LOVE ITRegistered User regular
    She actually said she would go back.

    I sure wouldn't.

    NO.
  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    I would go home and never leave again.

    I would get my named changed too.

    I really do wonder how she's gonna live her life now.

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote:
    She actually said she would go back.

    I sure wouldn't.

    Those brits that got falsely accused in Tehran said exactly the same, right up until they stepped foot on home turf.

  • AshcroftAshcroft Gimme dem Yens Registered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    I would go home and never leave again.

    I would get my named changed too.

    I really do wonder how she's gonna live her life now.
    Spoiler:

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  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    Leitner wrote:
    So It Goes wrote:
    She actually said she would go back.

    I sure wouldn't.

    Those brits that got falsely accused in Tehran said exactly the same, right up until they stepped foot on home turf.

    Of course, it's foggy enough there that they may have yet to see any landmarks and figure out that they're not in Iran anymore.

  • AshcroftAshcroft Gimme dem Yens Registered User regular
    The fog is how you know you are home. No one else's fog tastes as nice.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    I'm only hearing about this case second-hand. Is there any truth to the hubbub that's saying that the Italians can retry her for the murder?

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes Sip. Sip sip sippy. I don't CARE! I LOVE ITRegistered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote:
    I'm only hearing about this case second-hand. Is there any truth to the hubbub that's saying that the Italians can retry her for the murder?

    CNN article said that it can only be appealed on narrow procedural grounds

    NO.
  • AshcroftAshcroft Gimme dem Yens Registered User regular
    They can try and overturn the appeal.

    And they might just be stupid enough to try.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Thanks SiG.

    Which makes me wonder, if the appeal is overturned, and she's on American soil, what will the procedure be then?

    My guess is the Italian government will never ask for extradition so the U.S. government will never have to say no, that way both save face.

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  • VestyVesty Registered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    I would go home and never leave again.

    I would get my named changed too.

    I really do wonder how she's gonna live her life now.

    Lifetime movie deals.


    Also if the appeal was overturned I'd be more concerned for her boyfriend if he is still in Italy. I don't see the US extraditing her.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Wrath Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Ashcroft wrote:
    They can try and overturn the appeal.

    And they might just be stupid enough to try.
    It wouldn't matter. She'll probably be back in the US tomorrow.

    The US wont extradite her.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Extradition is a problem, especially because we have an extradition treaty with Italy. We don't want to refuse extradition, because that gives Italy reason to refuse in kind if one of our fugitives flee there.

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  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    DoctorArch wrote:
    Thanks SiG.

    Which makes me wonder, if the appeal is overturned, and she's on American soil, what will the procedure be then?

    My guess is the Italian government will never ask for extradition so the U.S. government will never have to say no, that way both save face.

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