Dr Mario KartGames DealerAustin, TXRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
It would certainly be a painful process, with lots of unemployment, but thems the breaks. Its better than the continual, unnecessary spending involved.
Technically you could have done your research on the bank before you opened an account there and studied their levels of debt compared to assets, and the relative security of those assets.
I didn't put my money in BoA on purpose. They bought my bank. How is it that that is my fault?
I bet you also support the deregulation which enabled that purchase.
You'd lose that bet. But as a consolation prize you can keep trying to demonize the opposition rather than improve your suggested solution.
The government has the heaviest of hands. No matter what it does, even if it does nothing, innocents are going to feel the pain of fixing our economic mess.
A few harmed individuals is not enough to outweigh the benefit of taxing our money back.
Let's not forget that the military employs MILLIONS of people.
There are major repercussions involved with slashing military spending.
Agreed, but taxpayers should not have to pay for unnecessary weapons systems or production delays. Contractors need to be held to the fire.
As it stand we are having to reduce force size to pay for a lot of shit, which is hurting us. There are a lot of commands that are woefully undermanned, including mine. However, pumping more money into the budget is not the right answer. Military spending is in drastic need of reform. That was actually one of the only reasons I voted for McCain. I was not confident that Obama had enough SA to do the job. However, slashing the F-22 program made me smile. If he focused on this there is the potential to free up a lot of money and properly equip the forces.
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The military is the first obvious target for cost cutting, and really only needs to be perhaps 30% its current size.
yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
Let's not forget that the military employs MILLIONS of people.
There are major repercussions involved with slashing military spending.
Actually, it was shown earlier that military spending isn't a very good job creator, so we could make up the difference spending a third of the savings on education and high speed rail.
Let's not forget that the military employs MILLIONS of people.
There are major repercussions involved with slashing military spending.
Yes, wonderfully useless jobs spent making bombs and guns with which we kill people and ruin our standing around the world.
At least we got some spiritual enlightenment spending money on going to the moon. Every dollar we spend on the military is just another potential drop of blood on our collective hands.
Should we stop defending ourselves? Of course not. Defending ourselves doesn't include multi-million dollar civilian-killing machines in the name of employing a few engineers.
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Dr Mario KartGames DealerAustin, TXRegistered Userregular
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Neither of the wars we are in shouldve been fought, so yes. We've got tens of thousands of troops in Western Europe in particular that shouldnt be there.
Let's not forget that the military employs MILLIONS of people.
There are major repercussions involved with slashing military spending.
Yes, wonderfully useless jobs spent making bombs and guns with which we kill people and ruin our standing around the world.
At least we got some spiritual enlightenment spending money on going to the moon. Every dollar we spend on the military is just another potential drop of blood on our collective hands.
Should we stop defending ourselves? Of course not. Defending ourselves doesn't include multi-million dollar civilian-killing machines in the name of employing a few engineers.
oh wow.
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Note this love affair with Brown and the so called conservative movement is fleeting and on a poor foundation. The guy might block on health-care, but on everything else he's a typical deficit spending neo-con.
Note this love affair with Brown and the so called conservative movement is fleeting and on a poor foundation. The guy might block on health-care, but on everything else he's a typical deficit spending neo-con.
He's also claimed that Obama was born out of wedlock, and took a Coakley quote where she said we needed to boost revenue by getting the economy back and sliced and diced it until it looked like she said she wanted to raise taxes.
Telling the country your daughters are "available" during a victory speech is really fucking weird. This is probably the first thing ever that Glenn Beck and I have agreed on.
Note this love affair with Brown and the so called conservative movement is fleeting and on a poor foundation. The guy might block on health-care, but on everything else he's a typical deficit spending neo-con.
He's also claimed that Obama was born out of wedlock, and took a Coakley quote where she said we needed to boost revenue by getting the economy back and sliced and diced it until it looked like she said she wanted to raise taxes.
Side note: my apologies for slightly derailing this earlier.
On topic: I'm not positive the whole "Coakley wants to raise taxes" thing was entirely unjustified from an Anti-Healtcare Reform view in Mass.
As a state they already have Healthcare Reform, so one of their senators voting to implement it nationally is basically just throwing their state's money away.
Telling the country your daughters are "available" during a victory speech is really fucking weird. This is probably the first thing ever that Glenn Beck and I have agreed on.
Yeah, on this one I think Beck was being completely reasonable.
The military is the first obvious target for cost cutting, and really only needs to be perhaps 30% its current size.
yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
How many f-22s, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines were required to win the war in Iraq? How many of them are required to keep the peace there? Oh, precisely zero. The US military should focus on infantry, infantry transport, close air support, drones and intelligence accompanied by a small number of carriers.
He was right about it being creepy, but not everything creepy ends with a dead intern.
You're talking about a man who may have raped and murdered a girl in 1990; if that's true (and I'm not saying it is, but he hasn't denied it or offered proof otherwise), he probably just assumes creepy things DO end with dead interns.
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The military is the first obvious target for cost cutting, and really only needs to be perhaps 30% its current size.
yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
How many f-22s, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines were required to win the war in Iraq? How many of them are required to keep the peace there? Oh, precisely zero. The US military should focus on infantry, infantry transport, close air support, drones and intelligence accompanied by a small number of carriers.
The real waste is in contractors, not tech. If we could stop farming out jobs (looking at you KBR) and get back to a self supported military the tech costs wouldn't seem that stupid. Plus our silly "projects" tend to create useful shit.
Look at it this way. The military doesn't have to turn a profit, thus they can invest in really silly shit that now and again, does something awesome like spawn the internet. We should retain that. What we should not do is pay contractors whatever they want.
Also subs, are not for war, they are for intel. You're missing a lot of the key roles of some items.
Why in the hell do I even watch cable news anymore?
"I think that the Democrats need to totally rethink how they run campaigns. This election should be a wakeup call." - Reasonably Attractive Female Talking Head
Yep. Let's do that. Obviously the party that got the black guy with the foreign sounding name elected in a landslide on the back of massive voter energy and tons of individual campaign donations has no fucking clue how to connect with voters.
Jesus Fucking Christ. These people make me wish I had some sort of "Smite Commentator" button on my remote.
The military is the first obvious target for cost cutting, and really only needs to be perhaps 30% its current size.
yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
How many f-22s, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines were required to win the war in Iraq? How many of them are required to keep the peace there? Oh, precisely zero. The US military should focus on infantry, infantry transport, close air support, drones and intelligence accompanied by a small number of carriers.
The real waste is in contractors, not tech. If we could stop farming out jobs (looking at you KBR) and get back to a self supported military the tech costs wouldn't seem that stupid.
I'm curious how you propose we make new fighter jet technology without Boeing's help.
The purpose of contractors is to save money. Maybe that isn't what's happening but that's the concept.
Let's not forget that the military employs MILLIONS of people.
There are major repercussions involved with slashing military spending.
Yes, if only we needed more roads, bridges, and schools built, along with God-only-knows how many other infrastructure projects, we would be able to spend that money on something other than things we'll never, ever use.
If only...
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Dr Mario KartGames DealerAustin, TXRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
Well, it is indeed the concept. And its completely wrong.
Well, it is indeed the concept. And its completely wrong.
Well unless the military can produce their own jets and aircraft carrier parts in house (hint: it won't happen) then we're going to have to deal with the reality of contractors. Maybe instead of saying "get rid of all contractors" we should say "make sure they are getting paid appropriately".
Don't forget that the way these defense contractors are set up means that cutting a particular program means job losses in several states, which means you'll have multiple sets of senators and congressmen who are against cutting the defense budget regardless of party lines. Want to cut F-22 funding? You're losing jobs in CA, TX, GA, etc - makes it much tougher to make cuts to defense projects.
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edited January 2010
We dont need any more jets or aircraft carriers, so fuck em.
Yes, if only we needed more roads, bridges, and schools built, along with God-only-knows how many other infrastructure projects, we would be able to spend that money on something other than things we'll never, ever use.
If only...
Yeah we should definitely take highly skilled individuals out of their career paths and set them to work laying cement and bricks, holding up roadsigns and laying down orange cones.
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Yes, if only we needed more roads, bridges, and schools built, along with God-only-knows how many other infrastructure projects, we would be able to spend that money on something other than things we'll never, ever use.
If only...
Yeah we should definitely take highly skilled individuals out of their career paths and set them to work laying cement and bricks, holding up roadsigns and laying down orange cones.
I don't think people hurting for work are going to be stubborn about having a job.
Uh. Currently they are not hurting for work. Of course, they would be if the genius proposals offered here were put into effect, but thankfully that will never be the case.
So yes you clearly missed the entire point of the discussion.
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Highly skilled doesnt enter into the equation. Paying them and training more of them is throwing money away.
Yes, if only we needed more roads, bridges, and schools built, along with God-only-knows how many other infrastructure projects, we would be able to spend that money on something other than things we'll never, ever use.
If only...
Yeah we should definitely take highly skilled individuals out of their career paths and set them to work laying cement and bricks, holding up roadsigns and laying down orange cones.
Yes, if only we needed more roads, bridges, and schools built, along with God-only-knows how many other infrastructure projects, we would be able to spend that money on something other than things we'll never, ever use.
If only...
Yeah we should definitely take highly skilled individuals out of their career paths and set them to work laying cement and bricks, holding up roadsigns and laying down orange cones.
Yeah, building and designing bridges, laying out mass transit networks and building and operating heavy machinery is easy. It's not like we need engineers there. Screw you civil engineers and mechanical engineers! You don't work in the military, so you do nothing but lay road cones.
The military is the first obvious target for cost cutting, and really only needs to be perhaps 30% its current size.
yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
How many f-22s, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines were required to win the war in Iraq? How many of them are required to keep the peace there? Oh, precisely zero. The US military should focus on infantry, infantry transport, close air support, drones and intelligence accompanied by a small number of carriers.
The real waste is in contractors, not tech. If we could stop farming out jobs (looking at you KBR) and get back to a self supported military the tech costs wouldn't seem that stupid.
I'm curious how you propose we make new fighter jet technology without Boeing's help.
The purpose of contractors is to save money. Maybe that isn't what's happening but that's the concept.
I'm curious how you propose we make new fighter jet technology without Boeing's help.
The purpose of contractors is to save money. Maybe that isn't what's happening but that's the concept.
are you actually that fucking dumb
But how would we fight a war we don't need to be in with new weapons we don't actually need without boeing?!
Nerf Guns.
Seriously, the enemy will be so confused they'll drop their guns, run back to base, and spend years trying to discover what nefarious technology the Americans have developed. Chemical agents on the Nerf balls? Plastic explosive hidden in the tubes of Nerf darts?! They'll never know, and be too afraid to find out.
Meanwhile, we'll continue our being pompous asses laughing at their futile attempts to discover what we're hiding, all the while knowing that the most dangerous weapon out there is the MKIV Nerf Cannon, because if you fire it in a house, you might break a vase...
Some interesting poll results from MA, related to the special election;
QUESTION: Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of a government administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?
Some interesting poll results from MA, related to the special election;
QUESTION: Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of a government administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?
The Republican votes on that site are... somewhat surprising.
It would appear that on at least 65-70% of those polls, Dems and Repubs agreed. Not on the obvious "Will this help Dems be reelected in 2010" and the like, of course.
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You can take $100 billion of miltary spending and spend $50 billion a year on schools and mass transit and the economy wouldn't lose a single job.
The government has the heaviest of hands. No matter what it does, even if it does nothing, innocents are going to feel the pain of fixing our economic mess.
A few harmed individuals is not enough to outweigh the benefit of taxing our money back.
Agreed, but taxpayers should not have to pay for unnecessary weapons systems or production delays. Contractors need to be held to the fire.
As it stand we are having to reduce force size to pay for a lot of shit, which is hurting us. There are a lot of commands that are woefully undermanned, including mine. However, pumping more money into the budget is not the right answer. Military spending is in drastic need of reform. That was actually one of the only reasons I voted for McCain. I was not confident that Obama had enough SA to do the job. However, slashing the F-22 program made me smile. If he focused on this there is the potential to free up a lot of money and properly equip the forces.
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yes the military that is currently stretched fighting 2 wars should be cut to 1/3 of its size, because in the future we will never have to fight more than 2/3 of a war. I think the US needs to get more funding for its military from the countries that it helps keep in existence ie. Serbia, Taiwan, S Korea etc.
Actually, it was shown earlier that military spending isn't a very good job creator, so we could make up the difference spending a third of the savings on education and high speed rail.
Yes, wonderfully useless jobs spent making bombs and guns with which we kill people and ruin our standing around the world.
At least we got some spiritual enlightenment spending money on going to the moon. Every dollar we spend on the military is just another potential drop of blood on our collective hands.
Should we stop defending ourselves? Of course not. Defending ourselves doesn't include multi-million dollar civilian-killing machines in the name of employing a few engineers.
Just...What the fuck?
oh wow.
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I can't decide if Brown or Beck is more creepy.
Note this love affair with Brown and the so called conservative movement is fleeting and on a poor foundation. The guy might block on health-care, but on everything else he's a typical deficit spending neo-con.
He's also claimed that Obama was born out of wedlock, and took a Coakley quote where she said we needed to boost revenue by getting the economy back and sliced and diced it until it looked like she said she wanted to raise taxes.
Side note: my apologies for slightly derailing this earlier.
On topic: I'm not positive the whole "Coakley wants to raise taxes" thing was entirely unjustified from an Anti-Healtcare Reform view in Mass.
As a state they already have Healthcare Reform, so one of their senators voting to implement it nationally is basically just throwing their state's money away.
I'm surprised he didn't catch fire or something.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
How many f-22s, aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines were required to win the war in Iraq? How many of them are required to keep the peace there? Oh, precisely zero. The US military should focus on infantry, infantry transport, close air support, drones and intelligence accompanied by a small number of carriers.
You're talking about a man who may have raped and murdered a girl in 1990; if that's true (and I'm not saying it is, but he hasn't denied it or offered proof otherwise), he probably just assumes creepy things DO end with dead interns.
The real waste is in contractors, not tech. If we could stop farming out jobs (looking at you KBR) and get back to a self supported military the tech costs wouldn't seem that stupid. Plus our silly "projects" tend to create useful shit.
Look at it this way. The military doesn't have to turn a profit, thus they can invest in really silly shit that now and again, does something awesome like spawn the internet. We should retain that. What we should not do is pay contractors whatever they want.
Also subs, are not for war, they are for intel. You're missing a lot of the key roles of some items.
"I think that the Democrats need to totally rethink how they run campaigns. This election should be a wakeup call." - Reasonably Attractive Female Talking Head
Yep. Let's do that. Obviously the party that got the black guy with the foreign sounding name elected in a landslide on the back of massive voter energy and tons of individual campaign donations has no fucking clue how to connect with voters.
Jesus Fucking Christ. These people make me wish I had some sort of "Smite Commentator" button on my remote.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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I'm curious how you propose we make new fighter jet technology without Boeing's help.
The purpose of contractors is to save money. Maybe that isn't what's happening but that's the concept.
If only...
Well unless the military can produce their own jets and aircraft carrier parts in house (hint: it won't happen) then we're going to have to deal with the reality of contractors. Maybe instead of saying "get rid of all contractors" we should say "make sure they are getting paid appropriately".
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Yeah we should definitely take highly skilled individuals out of their career paths and set them to work laying cement and bricks, holding up roadsigns and laying down orange cones.
I don't think people hurting for work are going to be stubborn about having a job.
So yes you clearly missed the entire point of the discussion.
And building giant farms in the sky.
Yeah, building and designing bridges, laying out mass transit networks and building and operating heavy machinery is easy. It's not like we need engineers there. Screw you civil engineers and mechanical engineers! You don't work in the military, so you do nothing but lay road cones.
are you actually that fucking dumb
But how would we fight a war we don't need to be in with new weapons we don't actually need without boeing?!
Nerf Guns.
Seriously, the enemy will be so confused they'll drop their guns, run back to base, and spend years trying to discover what nefarious technology the Americans have developed. Chemical agents on the Nerf balls? Plastic explosive hidden in the tubes of Nerf darts?! They'll never know, and be too afraid to find out.
Meanwhile, we'll continue our being pompous asses laughing at their futile attempts to discover what we're hiding, all the while knowing that the most dangerous weapon out there is the MKIV Nerf Cannon, because if you fire it in a house, you might break a vase...
These are Obama voters who switched for Brown. (It's a DFA page, so the WILL ask you to sign a petition. Fair warning.)
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
The Republican votes on that site are... somewhat surprising.
It would appear that on at least 65-70% of those polls, Dems and Repubs agreed. Not on the obvious "Will this help Dems be reelected in 2010" and the like, of course.