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[Shields Up] Computer Security Thread

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  • SvenskaSvenska Registered User regular
    thanks for the help, looks like I've got a full day of work.

    Since your name means "swedish" in swedish, I just assumed you were, ya know, swedish.
  • SvenskaSvenska Registered User regular
    Well it took a good amount of my sunday, but I think the lappy is good again. I ran through everything on the list and now my web surfing is back to normal.

    Thanks for the help y'all

    Since your name means "swedish" in swedish, I just assumed you were, ya know, swedish.
  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Svenska wrote:
    Well it took a good amount of my sunday, but I think the lappy is good again. I ran through everything on the list and now my web surfing is back to normal.

    Thanks for the help y'all

    We're more than happy to help, and very glad to hear that things worked out alright for you in the end!

    As a last note, because I forgot when I was writing up the other procedures, you might consider changing your important passwords if a rootkit was indeed located during the cleaning. That is, if you used your important passwords during the period when you machine was infected. Your discretion, of course, but there's a chance a keylogger was included with the nastiness.

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  • FuuFuu Registered User
    Would I be able to request a good Rar/zip cracker? Need to open some for a friend who is curious as to what was hidden on his house hold rig. I investigated it with google but nothing seems legit.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    My Dad just got an iPad, mainly for web browsing. Is there any real risk of malware on iPads, and any software to avoid it? I kind of expect, with iPhones and iPads becoming so popular, that there would have to be people out there targeting them, but there don't seem to be many options in protection, which makes me think it's not a big deal.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Fuu wrote:
    Would I be able to request a good Rar/zip cracker? Need to open some for a friend who is curious as to what was hidden on his house hold rig. I investigated it with google but nothing seems legit.

    To be honest, I'm not entirely sure about this. I know there are options for this operation that could be considered shady, but I'm not immediately aware of any legitimate tools to bypass secured archives. I'll poke around, and let you know if I come up with anything.
    My Dad just got an iPad, mainly for web browsing. Is there any real risk of malware on iPads, and any software to avoid it? I kind of expect, with iPhones and iPads becoming so popular, that there would have to be people out there targeting them, but there don't seem to be many options in protection, which makes me think it's not a big deal.

    I'll spare the diatribe about Apple's treatment of malware on their platform and bottom line it for you: If the iPad in question is not jailbroken, then the risk of malware is essentially nill. All software you can run on the iPad is filtered through the App Store, which puts it into a "Walled Garden" scenario where all code needs to be Apple approved before it is distributed. Is there a chance that someone could get around this? Sure! But I'd say it's probably none too likely, and that if it did happen, it'd be a huge news story.

    Of course, if we're talking about keylogging and eavesdropping software that Apple purposefully allow on their portable devices, that's another story entirely. The Carrier IQ scandal is still evolving, though I don't know if it impacts iPads, or is limited to iPhones. (I should note that Apple has stated they will remove Carrier IQ from their devices moving forward, by the way).

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    For what it's worth, I've used Elcomsoft's products in the past for cracking zip files. Unless things have changed in the last 5 or so years, they should still be a decent option. They are not, however, free to use.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    My Dad just got an iPad, mainly for web browsing. Is there any real risk of malware on iPads, and any software to avoid it? I kind of expect, with iPhones and iPads becoming so popular, that there would have to be people out there targeting them, but there don't seem to be many options in protection, which makes me think it's not a big deal.

    I'll spare the diatribe about Apple's treatment of malware on their platform and bottom line it for you: If the iPad in question is not jailbroken, then the risk of malware is essentially nill. All software you can run on the iPad is filtered through the App Store, which puts it into a "Walled Garden" scenario where all code needs to be Apple approved before it is distributed. Is there a chance that someone could get around this? Sure! But I'd say it's probably none too likely, and that if it did happen, it'd be a huge news story.

    Of course, if we're talking about keylogging and eavesdropping software that Apple purposefully allow on their portable devices, that's another story entirely. The Carrier IQ scandal is still evolving, though I don't know if it impacts iPads, or is limited to iPhones. (I should note that Apple has stated they will remove Carrier IQ from their devices moving forward, by the way).

    So the risk of malware from websites, emails, or whatever doesn't really exist?

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    So the risk of malware from websites, emails, or whatever doesn't really exist?

    To my understanding, it's impossible to install any software on an iPad (that's not jailbroken) that doesn't come from the app store. As the device isn't exactly configured to download and install software via the web browser or email, I'd say that the chances of running afoul of nasties that way is fairly slim. Even if you encounter a javascript-based malware attack while browsing, there's almost no chance that it could leverage the OS in a manner that would infect it.

    I hate speaking in absolutely, though. I'm positive that eventually someone will figure out a way to drive-by infect iPads and iPhones. The market share of these devices is simply too high for them to be left alone, and no OS is invulnerable.

    But at the current juncture I'd say the risk is negligible, and that the availability of security software for the iPad isn't very good anyhow (None that I know of).

    As always, though, social engineering attacks are still very real. Using and iPad won't protect from phishing or the like. You're probably very well aware of this fact, but in my experience not all apple users are.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    Cool. My dad's not an idiot, so he won't be falling for any "please enter your credit card details to continue" things. As long as there's no risk of, say, a GIS hitting him with malware, he should be right. I know he installed Lookout, because it's free and why not, so hopefully he'll be safe.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    First: Happy Belated Birthday, Computer Security Thread! Hard to believe we've been at this for two years now. I'm hoping to finally get a revised security guide compiled sometime soon, but the new forum limitations and the fact that we're not even to 30 pages yet make it a bit difficult. I'm thinking about making the guide a series of images to ease in the explanation and get around the word limit - but I'm no artist, so I'm still toying with ways to convey the information.

    Second, there's been a discovery of a critical day zero flaw in Windows 7 (x64) today. There's a report here that describes the threat, via Secunia. Apparently viewing an HTML file with an improperly formatted iFrame causes a memory error in win32k.sys. Currently it's only been proven for denial of service, but a memory error of this sort can probably be finessed into remote execution. Also, the article claims that only Safari is at risk, but if we're talking Webkit here, then Chrome is bound to be an actor in this too.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    Thanks for keeping us safe for the last two years then, TetraNitroCubane.

    I'd suggest simply linking to later posts to get around it. Using images is more than a bit of a hack, and complicates sending instructions out to other people.

    And...heh, that's a nasty bit of work there. I hope MS pops out a patch for it quickstyle.

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  • khalathaskhalathas Registered User
    Stopping back in to check on things...glad to see the thread's still here :)

    Working in tracing some new infections that have been showing their ugly heads the past month or so...Including a rather interesting bootkit that ISNT related to TDSS, but tentatively called rootkit.mbr.sst.b (We'll just refer to it as SST from now on). Don't know the details yet, I just know it's somewhat new, probably performs most of the same duties as TDSS, but with all new fingerprints and hiding locations. Worth watching :)

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Thread's still here, but I've been terrible, terrible, terrible about upkeep! I'll try to infuse some new content soon. I still have a real interest in making a simplified, easy to approach guide to layered security. In the meantime I blame the holidays and ponies for my absence.

    Thanks for the check in, too, khalathas. I'm always interested to know what's going on in the wild. Your reports seem to tie in nicely with some rumblings that were circulating a few months back. I can't recall the source at the moment, but apparently the 'guts' of the TDSS bootkit were released for sale and/or distribution on the shadier parts of the web. Security analysts at the time were speculating that it indicated not only would modified versions of TDSS emerge from the woodwork as more criminals got their hands on it, but also that the masterminds behind TDSS itself were likely moving on to the next big infection. Sounds like maybe we're seeing some motion on the designer bootkit front.

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  • khalathaskhalathas Registered User
    So far, latest editions of TDSSKiller, BitDefender's rootkit scanner/killer, ComboFix, and McAfee's Stinger have not detected this new rootkit. The only indicator that I have that it's still there is the occasional google redirects on this client's computer. Might not be a bootkit..could be infected DLL's, which would be fixed by a repair install..but that'll wipe out evidence and potentially finding our new threat as well.

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Time for me to throw a question out there! I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to networking security. In fact, my general policy has been to use all wired connections and secure the password on my router, and leave it at that. But I just recently got my hands on a smartphone, and I'm hoping to set up a wireless network in order to reduce data plan charges.

    So what's the best way to ensure that I can secure my wireless network? I'm getting a WRT54GL, and I plan to use dd-wrt firmware once I get it. I'll be hooking up my desktop, laptop, and game consoles through the wired portion of the router, while my phone, some other consoles, and periodically my laptop will use the wireless. I know to change the passwords on the router immediately, but what other configurations should I have in place to ensure no one cracks my network or takes control of my router? I've heard MAC address filtering is easily sniffed-and-spoofed, so I'm not sure what else I can do beyond using WPA2. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    The basics are:
    1) Change the SSID. Something nodescript is good (not 'TetraNitroCubane's Apartment'). You can also hide the SSID so people searching for networks don't see it.
    2) WPA2, unless you have a device that doesn't support it (rare, but possible).
    3) MAC address filtering if you don't need to support random people hopping on and using it.

    WPA2 is the big part there, because 1 and 3 are both easily bypassed by someone that has any clue what they are doing, but that won't be many people and even those will likely pick easier targets.

    I want to say you can also restrict access to the router's setup pages to wired connections only, but not sure on that.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Thanks, Tomanta, this is exactly what I'm looking for. I'll especially look into the setup page being set to wired-only, if that's possible. I also didn't know that the SSID could be hidden. That seems like a very good idea.

    Also, does anyone know if there are any attacks against WPA2 on record?

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  • grouch993grouch993 Registered User regular
    Going to depend on the routers firmware, but usually there is an option to restrict access to wired connections.

    Don't use the default channel.
    Limit the number of IP addresses that can be handed out in addition to using a MAC address filter.
    Use WPA2+AES.
    If you use a preselected key, change it occasionally.
    This one isn't really necessary, but could help reduce access. Look at the antenna power, don't need something that will bleed over to the neighbors. If you have a laptop with a client program that supports signal measurement you can wander around and see how far the signal reaches. A number of routers have detachable antennas that can be replaced with ones with different characteristics.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Excellent points, all of them. Given that I have a very small radius of interest, my guess is that reducing the antenna power would be a good idea. Also, forgive me for being ignorant, but by "Preselected Key" do you mean the password/passphrase to be used by connecting devices identifying to the router?

    If I could throw another question on the pile, are there any opinions on what firmware to run? I was thinking I would go with dd-wrt, but tomato is another option, and/or just sticking with stock. I'm not terribly interested in anything complicated - Security first, stability second, speed third.

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  • yotesyotes Registered User regular
    Keep in mind that WPA may not actually be secure anymore if your router supports WPS, especially since on some models you can't disable it completely.

    http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/01/hands-on-hacking-wifi-protected-setup-with-reaver.ars

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    yotes wrote:
    Keep in mind that WPA may not actually be secure anymore if your router supports WPS, especially since on some models you can't disable it completely.

    http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/01/hands-on-hacking-wifi-protected-setup-with-reaver.ars

    Well fuck.

    That article pretty much confirms that the router I've just purchased can be brute forced no matter what options I select. Maybe custom firmware will allow for more security, by actually deactivating WPS? This looks like an extremely serious vulnerability, and one that's going to have significant legacy issues. Thanks, yotes. I don't know how I missed this over on ars, but it's critical information.

    EDIT: So a little nosing around Google lead me to this page on the Reaver open source project. It looks like dd-wrt does NOT support WPS, and as such flashing a vulnerable router with this firmware may be a good way to secure it against WPS vulnerabilities.

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  • yotesyotes Registered User regular
    Yeah, it's pretty scary stuff. Once you've confirmed that you're not vulnerable to WPS attacks, though, WPA (with a good enough passphrase) is still pretty friggin' secure and super-highly-annoying to crack even with GPGPU support, according to an article on Tom's.

    33 years to bruteforce all possible alphanumeric combinations with just 8 characters, not really worth the bother.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    The largest reason Reaver seems so scary to me is that there are TONS of WPS supporting routers out there. A majority of folks aren't going to be changing their routers, or flashing their firmware, anytime soon. I guess it's a good thing the brute force takes on the order of hours, at least.

    I went ahead and flashed my WRT54GL with dd-wrt, and set everything up as suggested. Thanks, guys. I have a lot more in the way of questions, but since they're not strictly security based, I'll just make another thread.

    In the meantime, some news: It looks like Dreamhost was compromised over the weekend.
    Dreamhost wrote:
    Last night we detected some unauthorized activity within one of our databases. While we don’t have evidence that customer passwords were taken at this time, we’re forcing a change out of caution. Please login to our web panel and change any passwords you may have with us. We’ll keep this post updated as we get more information.

    As of now if you use Dreamhost at all and haven't changed your password, it's a good (and mandatory) thing to do. They don't elaborate on the nature of the breach, unfortunately, so it's hard to say what happened.

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  • khalathaskhalathas Registered User
    If you're getting an android, there's a pretty handy app on it that will measure wifi signal strengths to make sure you're not broadcasting further than you need to.. Its called Wifi Analyzer. Pretty handy for a lot of wifi diagnostics and troubleshooting really.

  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    Thanks for the pointer on the app. I turned my wifi signal strength down to minimum ages ago, which was fine in most of the house, but not in some corners; now I can actually see what it is without having to try downloading something and moving about the place...

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Thanks, khalathas. That app is pretty well something I need to gauge the signal strength appropriately!

    Though, I have to admit, I always get the heebee jeebees when I look at the permissions requests on Android apps. Why does a Wifi analyzer need unfettered access to the internet? And why should it be allowed to read, write, and delete any file to my local storage?

    Even more unsettling are the apps that request full control of your contact list.

    This is why I don't install many apps, to be honest. I'd root the phone to garner more control over it, but from what I've heard that makes androids less secure, and more vulnerable to malware.

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  • sykeedsykeed Registered User
    I have an interesting problem and I'm hoping you guys can help.
    We are getting ready for PCI check in a couple of months but have acquired a new office who was not PCI.
    Now they are fighting us on every little program.
    Long story short. Do you guys know of a program that, would scan a computer for software, and then spit out a report of any security issues that program might have?
    I have thought about secunia PCI but I'm looking for something more robust (secunia doesn't list all the software installed)

    Any ideas?
    What do you guys use to keep track of software and make sure it is safe?

    Thanks

    Sykeed

  • jeremywcjeremywc Registered User regular
    sykeed wrote:
    I have an interesting problem and I'm hoping you guys can help.
    We are getting ready for PCI check in a couple of months but have acquired a new office who was not PCI.
    Now they are fighting us on every little program.
    Long story short. Do you guys know of a program that, would scan a computer for software, and then spit out a report of any security issues that program might have?
    I have thought about secunia PCI but I'm looking for something more robust (secunia doesn't list all the software installed)

    Any ideas?
    What do you guys use to keep track of software and make sure it is safe?

    Thanks

    Sykeed

    You need a good Vulnerability Scanner. There is a wide range of products that can do this for you, but for small to medium shops I would recommend Nessus or Retina. Both have canned PCI reporting and scanning.

  • sykeedsykeed Registered User
    I'm looking at Nessus now. as it is the name I know. I will check Retina.
    I think what my boss had in mind was a big database we hand a file of 200 programs and it spit out vunurabilities for all 200 programs.
    I know cert will do one by one. anyone know a way to do a mass batch?

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  • jeremywcjeremywc Registered User regular
    sykeed wrote:
    I'm looking at Nessus now. as it is the name I know. I will check Retina.
    I think what my boss had in mind was a big database we hand a file of 200 programs and it spit out vunurabilities for all 200 programs.
    I know cert will do one by one. anyone know a way to do a mass batch?

    This is easier said than done. In recent years, there have been efforts to co-ordinate getting publicly released vulnerability disclosures into the CVE database. Most of the big software companies will include a CVE ID for any public disclosures these days. It's not mandatory, though.

    You can also cross reference that against ExploitDB to see if there is any public proof of concept code for a given vulnerability. Most vuln scanners will do that work for you.

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  • godmodegodmode Registered User regular
    So I thought this article over on Ars Technica is pretty interesting. I didn't know that Chrome is the only browser that hasn't been compromised (so far) in the Pwn2Own competition.
    With that in mind, I wonder why the US Government only uses Internet Explorer on all the machines. It's not like Chrome costs anything, plus it's customizable to work in all necessary environments. And that's all aside from the performance gain of using Chrome instead. Just struck me as strange so I thought I'd pop in here to talk about it.

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  • jeremywcjeremywc Registered User regular
    godmode wrote:
    So I thought this article over on Ars Technica is pretty interesting. I didn't know that Chrome is the only browser that hasn't been compromised (so far) in the Pwn2Own competition.
    With that in mind, I wonder why the US Government only uses Internet Explorer on all the machines. It's not like Chrome costs anything, plus it's customizable to work in all necessary environments. And that's all aside from the performance gain of using Chrome instead. Just struck me as strange so I thought I'd pop in here to talk about it.

    Actually, the State Department is switching to Chrome. :-)

    To actually answer your question, though, it's because IE is still the only browser that has a lot of hooks into Windows' group policy system so that it's easy to keep settings consistent across thousands of desktops. A big part of enterprise security is policy management. Have an internal SSL certificate authority you need to trust? Want to allow ActiveX controls to run unprompted from that legacy system you have? Need to automatically authenticate via NTLM with your IIS application using your Windows credentials? Internet Explorer was the only browser that could do things like this for a long time. Some of these things have been possible in Firefox with scripting and some work, but it was a giant pain to do in an enterprise setting compared to Internet Explorer. Enough of a pain that it wasn't worth the work, IMO.

    Chrome piggy backs off the native operating system where it makes sense (for instance, for stuff like CA cert trusts and NTLM auth) instead of trying to implement everything from scratch like Firefox does. I think they need to add some hooks so that I can disable a few things via policies like cloud syncing and saving passwords before I would want to completely standardize on it in my environment. For smaller organizations who aren't managing browser settings via policies, though, I think it's the best choice.

  • godmodegodmode Registered User regular
    Yeah, I was actually about to mention that story - just spotted it on Ars Technica. And yeah, it makes sense using IE since it ties into Windows. However, the government has never been shy about doing things the hard way when it comes to other sections of IT, so I think it would be more advantageous to use the more secure browser and put in the legwork to integrate it.
    Granted, I don't know all the ins and outs of implementing such a change. I was just musing after coming across the info.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    99% sure that my mother caught some kind of virus on her laptop. She's getting this message saying something like "this is not allowed due to restrictions placed on this computer" when she tries to do certain things like go into administrative settings or open certain folders. Also, her documents folders and everything are 'empty.' She's logged in as the administrator. Anyone heard of something like this?

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    It sounds familiar, but I don't recall the specific name of the infection.
    Can you check the properties of the items that are "locked out" and check for a special permission that denies "read data" permissions to the group "Users" because I got hit by something that did that to a lot of the default "personal data" folders then popped up a "virus scanner" that offered to restore the lost data a while back.

    Also, if she's been logging on as a limited user hen got this and went to admin mode to try and fix it, the administrator's documents folder would be empty since it's probably never been used.

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  • SentretSentret Registered User regular
    There's a fairly common fake antivirus trojan which sets a wide swath of your files to hidden as part of its sneaky plan to make you give them monies. Perhaps she has something similar.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    I'd certainly recommend booting to a rescue CD or MiniXP image, and then running Malwarebytes. If this behavior is unexpected, there's a chance that ransomeware might be involved. Bypassing the OS entirely and scanning the filesystem from there should allow you to root out any nasties. If you can run TDSSKiller, I'd recommend that too.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Registered User regular
    Double post. I just don't know went wrong!

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  • FuuFuu Registered User
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    It sounds familiar, but I don't recall the specific name of the infection.
    Can you check the properties of the items that are "locked out" and check for a special permission that denies "read data" permissions to the group "Users" because I got hit by something that did that to a lot of the default "personal data" folders then popped up a "virus scanner" that offered to restore the lost data a while back.

    Also, if she's been logging on as a limited user hen got this and went to admin mode to try and fix it, the administrator's documents folder would be empty since it's probably never been used.

    Do you have access to the machine? If so, PM me.

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