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James Cameron's [Avatar] - Dances With Thundersmurfs

OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
edited January 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
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James Cameron's Avatar is out now in theaters. It is a movie about giant blue aliens (with tails!) being oppressed by humans who want a valuable mineral from their world. The blue guys--the Na'vi--are a tribal people who live in harmony with nature.

Our hero is Jake Sully, a paralyzed guy whose mind gets to ride in a Na'vi body grown for his dead twin brother. His job is to help study the aliens.

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He meets up with a giant blue alien girl, Neytiri, and pretty soon starts pulling a Kevin Costner in Dances With Wolves.

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Some reports have suggested that the movie cost as much as $300 million to make; regardless, it was very expensive. Needless to say, the special effects are nice. So, let's talk about Avatar. I'll add my review below.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    did it also have mechs

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    Zzulu wrote: »
    did it also have mechs

    Giant death bulldozers?

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Oh and for being all "NATURE IS AWESOME" they sure did
    Spoiler:

    Are you joking or just daft?

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Oh and for being all "NATURE IS AWESOME" they sure did
    Spoiler:

    Are you joking or just daft?

    The only soldiers that they showed that
    Spoiler:

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    It was Ferngully.

    With explosions, instead of Tim Curry.

    Hey that's a super original comment that hasn't been all over the fucking internet for like a week. nice work!

    I liked it. The story wasn't subtle, but subtle was hardly the intent.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    The Cat wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    It was Ferngully.

    With explosions, instead of Tim Curry.

    Hey that's a super original comment that hasn't been all over the fucking internet for like a week. nice work!

    I liked it. The story wasn't subtle, but subtle was hardly the intent.

    I didn't read any prerelease buzz. I went in with the only thing I saw having been Sigourney Weaver on the Daily Show.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Saw it on Wednesday in 3D at an early preview showing.

    Absolutely blew me away, the Na'vi and scenery could have been actors and sets they just looked so real. Also 3D finally has come into it's own, I can't imagine watching it in in 2D after seeing it how it was meant to be seen.

    the story wasn't anything groundbreaking, but Cameron did it so well that it seemed completely fresh and despite it being just under 3 hours long I never found myself wondering when the next set piece started, I was totally engrossed.

    The only bad part was coming out of the cinema at the end and realising how bland everything looked compared to Pandora.

    Also the thread title should be, Avatar: James Cameron makes sweet love to my senses.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Oh and for being all "NATURE IS AWESOME" they sure did
    Spoiler:

    Are you joking or just daft?

    The only soldiers that they showed that
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I stole the 3D glasses the cinema gave out because the rude bitch at the counter gave us shit seats after I'd already booked good ones last week. I feel somewhat justified.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2009
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Oh and for being all "NATURE IS AWESOME" they sure did
    Spoiler:

    Are you joking or just daft?

    The only soldiers that they showed that
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I stole the 3D glasses the cinema gave out because the rude bitch at the counter gave us shit seats after I'd already booked good ones last week. I feel somewhat justified.

    Weren't they Marines? Or did I miss something.
    Spoiler:


    Great eye candy, ton of incongruencies. Left me wanting for a story where they actually explained and explored how they have a new technology that lets you shove your brain into someone elses head. Especially new cloned super bodies. They just sorta glossed over that though.

    Oh, and
    Spoiler:

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I'm catching this on IMAX 3-D later today.

    I'm going in with very low expectations, provided I get to see lots of pretty CGI and some explosions on an 80-foot screen, I'll be happy.

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  • FloofyFloofy Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Boo.

    My friends won't go to the IMAX showing of this because they deem it too expensive. So we're seeing it still in 3d but at a regular cinema. I swear it's the first time in FOREVER there's been a film I've actually wanted to see at an IMAX that's actually being shown there.

    Boo. I need new friends.

  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

  • VestyVesty Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I went in really skeptical about the cg and the 3d when I saw it last night, and came out really impressed. the 3d gave it a nice non jarring pop from the screen. Especially with all the holograms on the base. Occasionally I would close one eye to see what it would look like normal and while still nice looking, not nearly as awesome. The one thing that bugged me was holy uncanny valley with Sigourney Weaver's avatar. All the other ones looked pretty good but for some reasons hers was creepy.

    I'll agree that the story got pretty predictable. Whacked you across the head with foreshadowing all movie and was not too subtle about it.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Yay, Dances With Smurfs. I'm not impressed with the story in the least, and the fact that Cameron actually gave the McGuffin substance the stupidly unimaginative name of "unobtanium" makes me cross-eyed.

    That said, I'm sure it'll do well at the box office.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Wait....unobtanium is for real? I thought that was a joke in a review I read!

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    the stupidly unimaginative name of "unobtanium" makes me cross-eyed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanium
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsteinium

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    How about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
    Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application.
    In other words, whoosh.

  • SnorkSnork Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    unobtanium was already used as a super unimaginative name for a boring placeholder element in, of all movies, THE CORE

    this is not a film i want to remember when i go to the theater

  • JastJast Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

    The story kind of blows and the characters are flat. It also slams you over the head with its technology is bad and natives are awesome message.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Despite the massive budget, Avatar won't be a record breaker like Titanic because it doesn't appeal to chicks. Titanic made so much money because it had a romance story, almost guaranteeing the skirts would see it in droves. Emotional females might be mildly interested in romantic comedies but they get wobbly in the knees when there's a romantic tragedy playing!
    Spoiler:

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  • HavelockHavelock Registered User
    edited December 2009
    Jast wrote: »
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

    The story kind of blows and the characters are flat. It also slams you over the head with its technology is bad and natives are awesome message.



    I'm seeing it tonight, but when I saw the previews for it I said to myself 'Self, this is Ferngully meets Dances With Wolves in Space, with furries, and it's going to end exactly like you think it's going to end.'

    At least it will look pretty.

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    James Cameron is a douche. This is yet another variation on "white guilt" which is really a lot like Nice Guy (tm) syndrome, where people act like paragons of compassion mostly because there's some tangential benefit, i.e them letting everyone know they're not down with what they're country was built on and please pay to see a movie that showcases how progressive they are. It's a really good way to string together your cinematic jerkoff without having to write a real story about real people.

    Except it's pretty much just as racist to put noble savages on a pedestal because it oversimplifies complex issues.

    I'll still see it 'cause it looks cool but the story stinks of heavy handed preachiness. Maybe I should take an ipod.

  • SnorkSnork Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Jast wrote: »
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

    The story kind of blows and the characters are flat. It also slams you over the head with its technology is bad and natives are awesome message.

    this is exactly what i was afraid this movie was going to be. i still intend to go see it, because i still really love cgi wanks when i get to see them on gigantic screens and i love glowy shit, but i can somehow let my hopes get up for this movie after it started getting so many good reviews. kind of bummed that the plot is turning out to be 'hey this is how you do sci-fi, right'

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    I didn't get an anti-technology vibe from the movie at all.

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Jast wrote: »
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

    The story kind of blows and the characters are flat. It also slams you over the head with its technology is bad and natives are awesome message.

    Really ironic given that a white guy is using cutting edge technology and shoving it down the faces of everyone, everywhere on the globe.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Glal wrote: »
    How about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
    Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application.
    In other words, whoosh.

    Exactly. Avatar is supposed to be teh seriouz bidnezz, but the McGuffin has a joke name.

    Edit: You know what did nature vs. technology well? Princess Mononoke. Both sides had benefits and drawbacks.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    James Cameron is a douche. This is yet another variation on "white guilt" which is really a lot like Nice Guy (tm) syndrome, where people act like paragons of compassion mostly because there's some tangential benefit, i.e them letting everyone know they're not down with what they're country was built on and please pay to see a movie that showcases how progressive they are. It's a really good way to string together your cinematic jerkoff without having to write a real story about real people.

    Except it's pretty much just as racist to put noble savages on a pedestal because it oversimplifies complex issues.

    I'll still see it 'cause it looks cool but the story stinks of heavy handed preachiness. Maybe I should take an ipod.

    But the Bobos need assuaging!

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Is it wrong that I have no interest in seeing this whatsoever?

    I dunno why. In theory this is my kind of movie.

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  • HavelockHavelock Registered User
    edited December 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    How about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
    Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application.
    In other words, whoosh.

    Exactly. Avatar is supposed to be teh seriouz bidnezz, but the McGuffin has a joke name.

    Edit: You know what did nature vs. technology well? Princess Mononoke. Both sides had benefits and drawbacks.

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Why is it that the one thing all these noble enlightened tribes need most is a white dude to validate them and lend indispensable assistance?

  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Sam wrote: »
    Why is it that the one thing all these noble enlightened tribes need most is a white dude to validate them and lend indispensable assistance?

    Because apparently white people can only be defeated by other white people.

    It's like Electro-matter! (matters bad-ass grandma)

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  • KastanjKastanj __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2009
    Jast wrote: »
    So let's assume I'm not going to be impressed by pretty images alone. Because I won't be.
    Is it actually good as a film too, or is it basically two and a half hours of CGI wank?

    The story kind of blows and the characters are flat. It also slams you over the head with its technology is bad and natives are awesome message.

    I thought the message was more in the spirit of "Yo, don't be cunts" which, as I see it, is a message that is only inane because of the fact that it is fruitless to try to get into people's heads. Natives are many things, but they have a history of leaving others, including the fucktards who whine about Hollywood being mean to corporations (I am not implying that you are that kind of person), well alone. Which, when I think about it, is the kind of behavior people who value independence and liberty (rather than use those concepts as backdrops to their own self-congratulatory puppet shows) should respect.

    I loved the movie for its visuals and imaginative world-building, but like most I wasn't shook enough by much else. It's a great ride that spits in the eye of the kind of politics most people outside of think-tanks already loathe intensely - I think that if the movie had done more to paint a picture that studies the origins and fundamental conflicts that cause the kind of war we saw in the movies (rather than just spend time at the battlefront and showing the proper, and sadly not analogous, conclusion) it would have more impact.

    But it's a very awesome movie, magnitudes more interesting and worthy of a screen than most movies of the year. Also, Cameron needs more Hollywood clout so he can go make the Alita movie. So go to it. IN THREE DEE.

    Side note: I now have a good definition of Objectivists and Libertarians - the former have basically succeeded in becoming so contrarian they can honestly root for the Colonel when watching Avatar, while the latter merely make sardonic and dismissive complaints about Cameron and Hollywood while desperately wishing that they one day can become as blunt and inane as the Obejctivists.

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  • SnorkSnork Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    i'm choosing to believe that the plot and characterization in this movie is so one-dimensional and ham-fisted because cameron is doing sci-fi for people who don't give a shit about sci-fi and therefore is totally alright with putting forward the most derivative plot ever

  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited December 2009
    Havelock wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    How about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
    Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application.
    In other words, whoosh.

    Exactly. Avatar is supposed to be teh seriouz bidnezz, but the McGuffin has a joke name.

    Edit: You know what did nature vs. technology well? Princess Mononoke. Both sides had benefits and drawbacks.

    I need to go rebuy that movie, I lost my copy. Hope it's on blu-ray.

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Snork wrote: »
    i'm choosing to believe that the plot and characterization in this movie is so one-dimensional and ham-fisted because cameron is doing sci-fi for people who don't give a shit about sci-fi and therefore is totally alright with putting forward the most derivative plot ever

    Or it's because James Cameron writes shitty crowd exploitation movies

  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    On a scale of 1-10, with "10" being "exactly as over-the-top and physics-defying," to what extent does the action in Avatar resemble the action in Final Fantasy: Advent Children?

    Because I didn't like that movie at all. I like more subdued, believable action.

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    How about
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
    Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application.
    In other words, whoosh.
    Exactly. Avatar is supposed to be teh seriouz bidnezz, but the McGuffin has a joke name.
    Whoosh referring to everyone missing the point. The term was used as a tongue-in-cheek nickname for the material because it was impossible to obtain anywhere else, it wasn't actually named that.
    Unobtainium is also used for materials that are practical and really exist, but are difficult to get. For example, during the development and service period of the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, engineers working for Lockheed Corporation at the Skunk Works used the term unobtainium as a dysphemism for titanium. This was not because of the radical decision to use the untried new material, but because at the time the Soviets were cornering the market in this material and were careful not to allow the American military to get hold of it.

  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User
    edited December 2009
    This is what I wrote for Cracked last week:

    http://www.cracked.com/article/240_avatar-horribly-written-way-too-long-totally-worth-it/

    I think just based on the number of eyeballs that will see this, regardless of how effectively the story was employed, it's going to be turned into a political football by tuesday.

    I think he didn't mean to smash together Dances with Wolves and ALIENS, but on a story level, he just really isn't that creative at all, and has compensated by convincing himself subtle tweaks of a story constitute massive overhauls, like a DJ convincing himself he's a composer.

    The comparisons with Star Wars are pretty apt, honestly: Star Wars was an overlong movie with a simple story, poorly written, saved by the fact the imagery in it was, at the time, easily the best looking thing ever put on screen. People aren't MAKING the comparison with that in mind, but it definitely fits. The main difference is that Lucas knew he was a shitty writer, passed his final draft off to friends who could sort of polish the turd, and tried to economize his time as much as possible. Cameron thinks he's a pretty good writer, has nobody editing him, and likes to sprawl as much as possible.
    to what extent does the action in Avatar resemble the action in Final Fantasy: Advent Children?

    None. The movies don't really compare at all. Advent Children doesn't look anywhere near as good and was directed very poorly.

  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    Camerons writing has been fitting of every movie of his I've seen (have not seen Avatar yet)

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited December 2009
    so why exactly does the 3d not suck for this?

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