whoever decided that the mobile brigadas head will come in three pieces can fuck offffff
There's definitely a guy who hates humanity working in the design department.
"Is there any way we can make the pieces smaller and with less surface contact area? We can? Great!"
Is it bad when you have a 300 point list ready to go in MayaNet for another faction when you haven't even gotten your starter box for the first faction?
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Is it bad when you have a 300 point list ready to go in MayaNet for another faction when you haven't even gotten your starter box for the first faction?
Yes. Very. Self control is a worthwhile life skill.
I built the PanO half today and some of the Nomads. And some Greeks.
Solar, the ears/wings on the Orc and Father-Knight are infinity (haha) worse to attach than the Mobila Brigadas Antennae in my opinion. At least the Brigada has some tabs that are a certain shape. The PanO stuff just has a circular hole you fill with glue, then glue your fingers to the model and curse a lot while trying to get them to stay on.
Echo, what army are you looking at? It's just so cheap to start a new faction. . . Just 250 or so points wouldn't break the budget ...
This is the line of reasoning that has lead me to own models from 4 factions. I regret nooooothing.
Echo, what army are you looking at? It's just so cheap to start a new faction. . . Just 250 or so points wouldn't break the budget ...
This is the line of reasoning that has lead me to own models from 4 factions. I regret nooooothing.
300 points of Tohaa. I put the stuff in the cart at the FLGS' web shop and thought "hmm, not really that expensive".
But no, I'll stick to the Morat stuff for now. At least until I've painted the stuff I play with, then I can let myself buy new stuff. (Ha, right.)
Hey dudes.
So, tomorrow I'm hopefully going to be doing a short demo game for some friends and pressgang convince them to start Infinity with me.
One side will be Aleph, as I have Aleph obviously.
I'm gunna put down 3 tactbots, a Naga (to play with camo) and a Deva with a spitfire (for some fancy weapon fun). Comes to about 110 points or something weird like that.
We'll be ignoring morale, LT and anything involving templates (I don't have any templates yet).
What's a good list to put down on the other side that would have some fun stuff and showcase some of the different rules?
I've been quizzing my friends about which faction they like the look of but there's no real consensus so anything will do (I'll be proxying it with chaos cultists or something anyway)
Have a look at the escalation league rules, they're pretty much like that - 120 points, no Lt, no hacking, no retreat. Scenario points based on how much of your stuff that survives and how much stuff you killed.
Combined maybe? Everyone loves a good alien invasion. 3 Morat Vanguards, a Shrouded and something else. Or maybe PanO as the blue poster boys. Could do 3 Fusiliers, Croc man and a Nisse.
I just so happen to have a 120 point Morat sectorial I'll be starting with in our escalation league. I went for more guns on the table rather than fancy stuff. Which is kinda how Morat play anyway.
Morat Aggression Force - Escalation 120 (120/300 | 1/6)
The Morat Vanguard is their basic line infantry scrub, at 16 points. That's as cheap as they go. They're not all that special stats-wise.
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Morats are expensive because of their racial special rule, which bumps up their retreat threshold and gives them religious (in loss of leuitenant they count as regular instead of irregular).
In 3rd edition their retreat threshold is being given to everyone and lossof leuitenant isn't going to be as crippling, so expect them to get something else to justify those points or get an across the board points drop.
Really I look at what they have and what, say, an Aguacile has and they should only a little more
Like, the Morat has 1 more CC and 2 more PH. Those aren't hugely useful, the Morat should be 12 or 13 points without the Morat rule that they don't need. Either that, or they need another point of arm and PH 13 to really look like the models and be worth the cost.
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Religious is a 4pt skill (see the difference between the HMG Ahl Fassed and HMG Jannisary, whose only difference literally is the Jannisary has Religious) and I'd guess the Retreat ability is probably 1pt or 2pts. Being 16pts, losing Morat would bring a Vanguard to 10-11pts.
I imagine Morat the skill will change a bunch in N3, but giving them an extra pip of armour would be reasonable as they're so beefy.
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Yeah, I'd expect them to gain something to justify those points (and probably dip a little as well). They definitely need something to show how beefy they are - a Vanguard is as big as most other factions heavy infantry!
Yeah Sy-Co looks like it could be a neat event. A bunch of Melbournians are making the trek to Cancon this year, at least partly because one of the TOs came down the Melbourne to play in TR. It looks like it's going to be a pretyt big event, they've got at least 35 signups so far.
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edited September 2014
I have an aversion to tournaments, due to the very first and only tournament I ever played. In a little store with a close knit clique of regulars, no terrain, 'store rules' pulled out when something didn't go their way which was backed up by the store owner, also the only TO and referee, on top of the usual 40k imbalances. I got through one and a half games, packed up and got lunch while my friend finished the whole tournament against those cheating fucks.
After that, I just never had the enthusiasm to play in a tournament, or even pick up games against people I don't know. But I'm eager to give it a go at Cancon. Bigger event, no stupid 'store' rules shenanigans, proper TO and referees, and a much better balanced game. If I ever make it there, I'll be signing up.
That sounds like the worst possible tournament experience. As someone who is involved in running a lot of tournaments, if I'd had an experience like that I would rain down hellfire and damnation onto that group in every way I could. Tournaments are one of the best things about the hobby, as they're such great community building events, and having shitty ones that alienate people is just the worst.
Also the Infinity community is one of the nicest wargaming communities I've found, at least partly because it's so small. Everyone is really friendly and helpful and just nice. The Cancon TOs are super nice guys.
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I took some satisfaction when the store went web only about a year later, then closed altogehter, because people just stopped buying there.
But I'll never forgive that store owner for souring me on tournaments for so long.
On the subject of Sogarats, a couple of friends of mine played 400 points recently and the Morat player took a link of 3 Sogarats and Kornak Gazarot. According to the guy who played against them, it was like punching a brick wall. He put upwards of 40 HMG/equivalent rounds into them, and didn't manage to kill any of them. They took wounds, but healed them. One went down then got back up. They killed and Iguana and Scarface in ARO.
I've also taken my Steel Phalanx out for a few spins.
Game 1 was just 165, we both took silly lists, Penny shot up his order pool, Ajax beat up the Uhlans, great victory!
Game 2 was 250, Supplies. Soooo, my opponent rolled 8 crits over 2 turns. I got 1 turn! his first turn wasn't actually that great. He pushed some things around, one triad came forward and killed of my Thorakites, breaking the link. A Nikoul got into a sniper duel with Atalanta, she lost but survived. In my turn Atalanta took out a Chaksa HMG, then got crit by the second one . I dropped in an Ekdromos to dealwith it. It crit him and saved. I pushed Ajax's Enomoty forwards, and he shot up the triad opposing them, though he lost 2 wounds in the process! I also lost my Myrmidon hacker to another crit from the damned Chaksa. I set up in a pretty strong defensive position midfield at the end of my turn, and in his turn two he rolled his second triad forward and promptly crit Ajax and his remaining Myrmidon Friends off the table.
SADFACE
Game 3 was vs QK. I went second again. His turn 1 was Scarface going forwards, killing Atalanta in a brief duel, then getting crit flash pulsed by Throkite forward observers! With Scarface neutered, he switched to an Al'Hawwa who fought ajax and his friends. Despite the odds being well against him, he managed to take out a Myrmidon (with a crit ) then kill Machaon by putting 2 flechette rounds into Ajax as Ajax missed both his shots. The Al'Hawwa managed to make something like 4 armour saves in a row before finally succumbing to a Nanopulser.
My Turn one involved pushing Penny forwards into Scarface, doing 2 STR to him on the way in, then leaving her there to force him to fight her in his turn. I tried dropping my Ekdromos in to deal with a Djanbazan, Cordelia and a Skeban, but he scattered and got capped on landing by Cordelia. Then Ajax went on a rampage. I pushed him up the table, managed to shrug of sniper fire from the Djanbazan and get within 16" and killed it. Then I tucked Ajax away midfield.
His turn 2 had Scarface fight Penny. The combat went for 3 or 4 orders, but Penny lost and died to 2 hits (He made his save vs Mono when I did win!). The sekban came out and shot at Ajax for a few orders. Ajax liked this. he rolled dodge like a champ and bunny hopped forwards until he was within 2" of the Sekban.
Sekban shot again. Ajax Crit dodges into close combat.
My Opponent activates Scarface, shoots into the combat. Crits the Sekban, killing him, hits Ajax twice. Ajax makes both saves.
Scarface walks away and shoots a Thorakite or two, Ajax dodges closer.
My last turn, I'm in retreat. Ajax's closes path to the board edge takes him closer to Scarface. Move up, dodge, cos there's a link team shooting at him. Nails it. Walks into scarface and Bezerks, demolishing it.
Ajax ends the game unwounded. Great success!
LESSONS LEARNED: AJAX IS RAD.
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On the subject of Sogarats, a couple of friends of mine played 400 points recently and the Morat player took a link of 3 Sogarats and Kornak Gazarot. According to the guy who played against them, it was like punching a brick wall. He put upwards of 40 HMG/equivalent rounds into them, and didn't manage to kill any of them. They took wounds, but healed them. One went down then got back up. They killed and Iguana and Scarface in ARO.
That's just mean. The shenanigans 400pts unlocks is a bit absurd at times. That sort of link you'd want to pick apart a model at a time, preferably with a TAG using a ridiculous gun like a HRMC.
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WP 13 isn't so much of a worry, and their combat effectiveness will be very useful as SP has no access to adhesive launchers or flammenspeers right now, and that is a cheap specialist for them. Apparently they will also be linkable with the introduction of a new officer as well! Plus the Agema are getting a second Warrent Officer, Teucer. So lots of gucci stuff for the Phalanx soon!
Well with one pin in each leg, one pin to attach the tail to the body and 1 pin per gun, then one pin to attach the two ammo hoppers, I think I've added ENOUGH pins to make sure it stays together. I've heard that without pinning Rebots are pretty fragile, and I can see that looking at the kit. All the legs attach independently and the sockets are pretty shallow. I wouldn't trust it without pins.
That said, it's the first Aleph mini I've thought is really fragile. The rest of the Greek stuff seems pretty solid.
I don't like the Aleph remote and TAG designs too much really. They're ok but I think other factions have nicer looking ones. A shame because I love the infantry
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So this art was shown. Looks to be book art for the Hassassin Govad, which we previously saw concept art of which will apparently be a Hassassin link unit with (finally) access to a MSV. Bostria said they would be wearing visors like all other Hassassin units, and that the concept artist was just enjoying drawing faces that day. But here we are, book art for the unit which so far has reflected what the models look like (if not their actual pose), not wearing a visor.
I'm of two minds here. I love the blank visor giving the Hassassin an inhuman look, but CB sculpt incredible faces these days and a little variety is always good.
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Someone did an info dump from the Wayland games seminar.
* The 3rd edition rulebook will be split in two ~200pp books; one the rules (softback), and one the background (hardback). The rules have been in flux so that they get as much possible playtesting and feedback before they're printed; they sorted the background book first.
* Pardiso and er... the other campaign book (Human Sphere?) will remain playable. The main rulebook will not contain rules for the aliens introduced in Paradiso; you'll have to buy that book to get them. However, everything will be free online – and the online info will be the 'go-to' ruleset: CB feel that it's best to keep updates nimble, and always refer to the online info as the most up-to-date and correct. They take precedence over the printed books.
* The fonts and design will be tightened up – they don't like the fact the cover has three different typefaces.
* [WHOOPS – SECRETS REDACTED]
* There's a new pistol type (Breaker) that attacks your BTS(?) rather than armour.
* The change in HMG effectiveness at short range (negative modifiers) was, in part, added to encourage TAGs to stay in mid-field in support, rather than stomping over to the other player's deployment zone and hosing things down.
* Hackers are going to be the paper to TAGs' rock; they'll be part of the reason TAGs want to stay in mid-field.
* Close combat is being emphasised. There's a lot of positive modififers, and close combat stats are generally increasing. If the modifiers take things over 20, it increases the critical change (e.g. if you're modified to needing 23 or less, anything over 17 becomes critical).
* Carlos specifically mentioned that there was a change from the GenCon rumours on martial arts. An opponent's ARO shooting triggered when you charge will be affected by the negative modifiers given by martial arts. This is a change that took place within the last week.
* The Aleph robots were hand-sculpted, and Carlos would like to see them resculpted digitally. However, the box is so popular it's low priority.
There was stuff he couldn't talk about since it's exclusive info for the Beasts of War Infinity week that's coming up. That's what the redacted point is (though I read it before he redacted it and it sounds wonderful. hint hint it's about hackers).
I really like the the change to highly skilled CC units getting their excess CC points to give them a critical 'band'. It'll definitely make it more worrisome being in CC with someone that has CC 21 or more.
I'm hesitant about the negative modifier from MA skills affecting shots in ARO if they're charging someone. I like that in Infinity, CC requires you to really work at getting there instead of banzai charging with a sword. Hopefully it doesn't upset that too much.
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There's definitely a guy who hates humanity working in the design department.
"Is there any way we can make the pieces smaller and with less surface contact area? We can? Great!"
Yes. Very. Self control is a worthwhile life skill.
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Solar, the ears/wings on the Orc and Father-Knight are infinity (haha) worse to attach than the Mobila Brigadas Antennae in my opinion. At least the Brigada has some tabs that are a certain shape. The PanO stuff just has a circular hole you fill with glue, then glue your fingers to the model and curse a lot while trying to get them to stay on.
Echo, what army are you looking at? It's just so cheap to start a new faction. . . Just 250 or so points wouldn't break the budget ...
This is the line of reasoning that has lead me to own models from 4 factions. I regret nooooothing.
300 points of Tohaa. I put the stuff in the cart at the FLGS' web shop and thought "hmm, not really that expensive".
But no, I'll stick to the Morat stuff for now. At least until I've painted the stuff I play with, then I can let myself buy new stuff. (Ha, right.)
edit: also a bit interested in Haqqislam.
So, tomorrow I'm hopefully going to be doing a short demo game for some friends and pressgang convince them to start Infinity with me.
One side will be Aleph, as I have Aleph obviously.
I'm gunna put down 3 tactbots, a Naga (to play with camo) and a Deva with a spitfire (for some fancy weapon fun). Comes to about 110 points or something weird like that.
We'll be ignoring morale, LT and anything involving templates (I don't have any templates yet).
What's a good list to put down on the other side that would have some fun stuff and showcase some of the different rules?
I've been quizzing my friends about which faction they like the look of but there's no real consensus so anything will do (I'll be proxying it with chaos cultists or something anyway)
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Morats are pretty elite too though, right? Do you think a more squishy human faction would be better?
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In 3rd edition their retreat threshold is being given to everyone and lossof leuitenant isn't going to be as crippling, so expect them to get something else to justify those points or get an across the board points drop.
Like, the Morat has 1 more CC and 2 more PH. Those aren't hugely useful, the Morat should be 12 or 13 points without the Morat rule that they don't need. Either that, or they need another point of arm and PH 13 to really look like the models and be worth the cost.
After that, I just never had the enthusiasm to play in a tournament, or even pick up games against people I don't know. But I'm eager to give it a go at Cancon. Bigger event, no stupid 'store' rules shenanigans, proper TO and referees, and a much better balanced game. If I ever make it there, I'll be signing up.
Also the Infinity community is one of the nicest wargaming communities I've found, at least partly because it's so small. Everyone is really friendly and helpful and just nice. The Cancon TOs are super nice guys.
But I'll never forgive that store owner for souring me on tournaments for so long.
And god damn, even at 28mm the Raktorak Sogarat model makes a Space Marine look scrawny.
I've also taken my Steel Phalanx out for a few spins.
Game 1 was just 165, we both took silly lists, Penny shot up his order pool, Ajax beat up the Uhlans, great victory!
Game 2 was 250, Supplies. Soooo, my opponent rolled 8 crits over 2 turns. I got 1 turn! his first turn wasn't actually that great. He pushed some things around, one triad came forward and killed of my Thorakites, breaking the link. A Nikoul got into a sniper duel with Atalanta, she lost but survived. In my turn Atalanta took out a Chaksa HMG, then got crit by the second one
SADFACE
Game 3 was vs QK. I went second again. His turn 1 was Scarface going forwards, killing Atalanta in a brief duel, then getting crit flash pulsed by Throkite forward observers! With Scarface neutered, he switched to an Al'Hawwa who fought ajax and his friends. Despite the odds being well against him, he managed to take out a Myrmidon (with a crit
My Turn one involved pushing Penny forwards into Scarface, doing 2 STR to him on the way in, then leaving her there to force him to fight her in his turn. I tried dropping my Ekdromos in to deal with a Djanbazan, Cordelia and a Skeban, but he scattered and got capped on landing by Cordelia. Then Ajax went on a rampage. I pushed him up the table, managed to shrug of sniper fire from the Djanbazan and get within 16" and killed it. Then I tucked Ajax away midfield.
His turn 2 had Scarface fight Penny. The combat went for 3 or 4 orders, but Penny lost and died to 2 hits (He made his save vs Mono when I did win!). The sekban came out and shot at Ajax for a few orders. Ajax liked this. he rolled dodge like a champ and bunny hopped forwards until he was within 2" of the Sekban.
Sekban shot again. Ajax Crit dodges into close combat.
My Opponent activates Scarface, shoots into the combat. Crits the Sekban, killing him, hits Ajax twice. Ajax makes both saves.
Scarface walks away and shoots a Thorakite or two, Ajax dodges closer.
My last turn, I'm in retreat. Ajax's closes path to the board edge takes him closer to Scarface. Move up, dodge, cos there's a link team shooting at him. Nails it. Walks into scarface and Bezerks, demolishing it.
Ajax ends the game unwounded. Great success!
LESSONS LEARNED: AJAX IS RAD.
That's just mean. The shenanigans 400pts unlocks is a bit absurd at times. That sort of link you'd want to pick apart a model at a time, preferably with a TAG using a ridiculous gun like a HRMC.
Heavy Infantry is very much balanced by that weakness
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WP 13 isn't so much of a worry, and their combat effectiveness will be very useful as SP has no access to adhesive launchers or flammenspeers right now, and that is a cheap specialist for them. Apparently they will also be linkable with the introduction of a new officer as well! Plus the Agema are getting a second Warrent Officer, Teucer. So lots of gucci stuff for the Phalanx soon!
That said, it's the first Aleph mini I've thought is really fragile. The rest of the Greek stuff seems pretty solid.
So this art was shown. Looks to be book art for the Hassassin Govad, which we previously saw concept art of which will apparently be a Hassassin link unit with (finally) access to a MSV. Bostria said they would be wearing visors like all other Hassassin units, and that the concept artist was just enjoying drawing faces that day. But here we are, book art for the unit which so far has reflected what the models look like (if not their actual pose), not wearing a visor.
I'm of two minds here. I love the blank visor giving the Hassassin an inhuman look, but CB sculpt incredible faces these days and a little variety is always good.
There was stuff he couldn't talk about since it's exclusive info for the Beasts of War Infinity week that's coming up. That's what the redacted point is (though I read it before he redacted it and it sounds wonderful. hint hint it's about hackers).
I really like the the change to highly skilled CC units getting their excess CC points to give them a critical 'band'. It'll definitely make it more worrisome being in CC with someone that has CC 21 or more.
I'm hesitant about the negative modifier from MA skills affecting shots in ARO if they're charging someone. I like that in Infinity, CC requires you to really work at getting there instead of banzai charging with a sword. Hopefully it doesn't upset that too much.