not that Romeo & Juliet is that good to begin with, easily the weakest Shakespeare work in my opinion (how pretentious does that sound) but man I could not deal with them being in fucking street gangs with shotguns and STILL TALKING LIKE THEY WERE IN THE GODDAMNED MIDDLE AGES
cognitive dissonance
it's a stylistic choice, i am sorry your brain couldn't make it work... were you also troubled by the pop song references in moulin rouge
as for the dante's inferno hate, well
romeo and juliet is a play full of gangs and fighting and such, so having them fighting with alternate weapons is only a slight stretch
whereas there is no point in the inferno where dante wields any kind of weapon, as far as i remember, although i think there is a minor tussle on the way down that waterfall maybe
alice has been mistreated so many times over the years
hopefully that alice in wonderland movie should finally convince people that tim burton should be put away for his own good
I am cautiously optimistic about that movie. I mean, the original Alice in Wonderland is a little creepy, but it's subtle, so if he manages to reign it in a little it could actually be good. Nothing I've seen so far has completely turned me off.
That said, it is Tim Burton and he's already completely fucked up an adaptation of another children's book I loved, so who knows.
alice has been mistreated so many times over the years
hopefully that alice in wonderland movie should finally convince people that tim burton should be put away for his own good
I am cautiously optimistic about that movie. I mean, the original Alice in Wonderland is a little creepy, but it's subtle, so if he manages to reign it in a little it could actually be good. Nothing I've seen so far has completely turned me off.
That said, it is Tim Burton and he's already completely fucked up an adaptation of another children's book I loved, so who knows.
well the fact that I haven't seen and don't even know who's playing Alice is kind of an indicator of how this is going to go, for me
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edited January 2010
Taking a classic play, making it modern and using a teen idol to make it more appealing to teenage girls is pretty bad.
alice has been mistreated so many times over the years
hopefully that alice in wonderland movie should finally convince people that tim burton should be put away for his own good
I am cautiously optimistic about that movie. I mean, the original Alice in Wonderland is a little creepy, but it's subtle, so if he manages to reign it in a little it could actually be good. Nothing I've seen so far has completely turned me off.
That said, it is Tim Burton and he's already completely fucked up an adaptation of another children's book I loved, so who knows.
well the fact that I haven't seen and don't even know who's playing Alice is kind of an indicator of how this is going to go, for me
They showed her in that last trailer that came out.
alice has been mistreated so many times over the years
hopefully that alice in wonderland movie should finally convince people that tim burton should be put away for his own good
I am cautiously optimistic about that movie. I mean, the original Alice in Wonderland is a little creepy, but it's subtle, so if he manages to reign it in a little it could actually be good. Nothing I've seen so far has completely turned me off.
That said, it is Tim Burton and he's already completely fucked up an adaptation of another children's book I loved, so who knows.
well the fact that I haven't seen and don't even know who's playing Alice is kind of an indicator of how this is going to go, for me
Anne Hathaway. But what's currently annoying me about that movie is the fact we have a big banner-style poster for it up in our lobby and it's this one. That's not the Red Queen. The Red Queen is a chess piece from Through the Looking Glass. That is the Queen of Hearts. These people took liberties. Grave ones.
Well, that and the fact that so much makeup on the queen makes me immediately think Queen Amidala. Then I spend the rest of the walk from the booth to the office thinking of the Phantom Menace review guy's voice.
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edited January 2010
I'm pretty sure even Lewis Carroll didn't think there was that big of a difference between the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts
The books aren't exactly character focused
She is commonly mistaken for the Queen of Hearts in the story's predecessor, Alice in Wonderland, but in reality shares none of her characteristics other than being a queen. Indeed, Carroll, in his lifetime, made the distinction of the two Queens by saying:
"I pictured to myself the Queen of Hearts as a sort of embodiment of ungovernable passion - a blind and aimless Fury. The Red Queen I pictured as a Fury, but of another type; her passion must be cold and calm - she must be formal and strict, yet not unkindly; pedantic to the 10th degree, the concentrated essence of all governesses!"
—Lewis Carroll, in "Alice on the Stage"
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not that Romeo & Juliet is that good to begin with, easily the weakest Shakespeare work in my opinion (how pretentious does that sound) but man I could not deal with them being in fucking street gangs with shotguns and STILL TALKING LIKE THEY WERE IN THE GODDAMNED MIDDLE AGES
cognitive dissonance
but you're okay with Romeo and Juliet with street gangs, right?
because,
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Yet, the point with the poster example isn't that they're importing characters from both books into one movie. We already know they're doing that, bringing in Tweedledee and Tweedledum just like the 1951 Disney film did. The point is that they're bringing in a very well-known character from the first, the Queen of Hearts, and renaming her with the exact same name of a comparatively obscure character from the second who has a completely different appearance, personality, and a total lack of on-screen minions. Why? I dunno. Maybe it's easier to trademark "Red Queen" than "Queen of Hearts". But they do know that most people aren't going to know the difference, which leaves it as a very mild yet persistent reminder to those who do.
guys anne hathaway is playing the white queen, not alice
i believe it is a relatively unknown australian girl playing alice
Curiouser and curiouser. Indeed, an IMDB check shows Mia Wasikowska as Alice and Anne Hathaway as the White Queen. I simply assumed it was Anne (in makeup, I dunno) because I figured Alice, being a sorta-somewhat main character in Alice in Wonderland, would have high billing.
But no, apparently Mia is going to stay relatively unknown because Alice can't even get fourth billing in her own movie. What is this?
She does show up on the next page, right next to Danny Elfman. Ok, yeah, you want to advertise all the celebrities people care about first before getting to the "Who?" names, but couldn't you at least put Mia somewhere on the first page? You could replace Crispin Glover. The Knave of Hearts isn't that much more central to the movie than Alice is.
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No no, Alice is played by the actress "Alice in Wonderland", who gets billing above Anne Hathaway.
I don't think there's any new ground to cover w/r/t Alice. A straight up adaptation just won't work because the satire is no longer relevant, and everything else has been done to death.
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it's a stylistic choice, i am sorry your brain couldn't make it work... were you also troubled by the pop song references in moulin rouge
as for the dante's inferno hate, well
romeo and juliet is a play full of gangs and fighting and such, so having them fighting with alternate weapons is only a slight stretch
whereas there is no point in the inferno where dante wields any kind of weapon, as far as i remember, although i think there is a minor tussle on the way down that waterfall maybe
hopefully that alice in wonderland movie should finally convince people that tim burton should be put away for his own good
then i am disregarding any of your opinions on baz luhrmann movies in general
they're not for you, critic
I am cautiously optimistic about that movie. I mean, the original Alice in Wonderland is a little creepy, but it's subtle, so if he manages to reign it in a little it could actually be good. Nothing I've seen so far has completely turned me off.
That said, it is Tim Burton and he's already completely fucked up an adaptation of another children's book I loved, so who knows.
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probably because I don't have a vagina
my wife loves both those movies
i have liked many of his movies but his fondness for turning johnny depp into a weirdo has become too much even for me
alice in wonderland is satire for goodness' sake, it's not meant to be read literally
but now i am trying to figure out why i am ready to hate on the inferno game but not the alice game
well the fact that I haven't seen and don't even know who's playing Alice is kind of an indicator of how this is going to go, for me
This is still worse though:
hate that book so much
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I mean it's sort of a ridiculous premise for a game but the combat was cool.
Like Bayonetta I guess?
I only yell at things that upset me
I like clouds
The movie was pretty good, though
Although it wouldn't hold a candle to MOBY DICK: the movie based on the game
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But point taken.
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Anne Hathaway. But what's currently annoying me about that movie is the fact we have a big banner-style poster for it up in our lobby and it's this one. That's not the Red Queen. The Red Queen is a chess piece from Through the Looking Glass. That is the Queen of Hearts. These people took liberties. Grave ones.
Well, that and the fact that so much makeup on the queen makes me immediately think Queen Amidala. Then I spend the rest of the walk from the booth to the office thinking of the Phantom Menace review guy's voice.
The books aren't exactly character focused
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Such as Tweedledum and Tweedledee and...actually, that's about it.
but you're okay with Romeo and Juliet with street gangs, right?
because,
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Geek nos know decency.
Fuck
I'll leave it to remind me of my shame
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the scene with the carpenter and the walrus.
Which was a package deal with Tweedledum and Tweedledee, as they were the ones to recite that poem in Looking Glass as well.
Anyways, I approve of that clip. Carol Channing's sheep-in-a-hat is delightfully sheeplike. Although I did want to see them in the rowboat afterwards.
no you see mine is going to be a dark and surreal version of alice... like it's going to be so fucking dark and twisted oh my god
i believe it is a relatively unknown australian girl playing alice
Can do.
all the better to keep her out of johnny depp's way
But no, apparently Mia is going to stay relatively unknown because Alice can't even get fourth billing in her own movie. What is this?
She does show up on the next page, right next to Danny Elfman. Ok, yeah, you want to advertise all the celebrities people care about first before getting to the "Who?" names, but couldn't you at least put Mia somewhere on the first page? You could replace Crispin Glover. The Knave of Hearts isn't that much more central to the movie than Alice is.
Really, it's the part she was born to play.