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[Alcohol] II: This Time, It's DRUNKER

PodlyPodly good molemanto youRegistered User regular
edited October 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Let us begin again, all ye lovers of things bacchanalian!

So when we last left off, Fizban was trying to find new liquor to drink, Robos and JWF were on their bourbon high horse, and I was spending waaaaaaaay to much money on various liqueurs to experiment with drinks to try and serve at work. I've also been on a Châteauneuf-du-Pape kick, so here's the list of my recent reviews
2006 Châteauneuf du Pape, Dom. de la Millière. Great herbal bouquet of thyme and kale and pepper. Nice and acidic, with a little lemon peel. Decent tannic structure, all sorts of terroir going on. Loads of spice in the back of the tongue, with a bit of plum and blackberry in the front. Great introduction into studying French wines!


Comte de Lauze Châteauneuf-du-Pape, 2005: what a great wine! As soon as I popped the cork, I knew I was in for a treat: the end of the cork was light purple! I've been dealing with barolos extensively for almost a year now, and I've never been able to pick out the tar from the famous bouquet of "tar and roses," however it popped right out in the nose, along with a little lavender. The most immediate note that jumped in the palate was chocolate -- another standard note I'd never been able to pick out, which was follow by gamey notes, leather, salt, and grass. Very little fruit in this one -- just some strawberry from the grenache. Medium body, little support from tannin structure, but hey -- it's a CDP. Really glad with this pickup.

La Bernadine 2001: Doesn't taste like a CDP at all. Boring fruit bomb, from bouquet to finish.

Coudoulet de Beaucastel, 2006 Côtes de Rhône.

Bouquet: Very tight smell. Could really pick anything out. Powerful and hot.
Taste: Tight and complex. It took me half an hour with this bad boy to really isolate a flavor -- thyme. However, the flavor is HUGE - it's all over your palate. The immediate taste is a peppery kick on the tip of your tongue and masculine tannins. It gives way to a great, juicy acidity and lots of provencal herbs -- mostly thyme and rosemary. The end is very gamey and a few tobacco notes.
Finish: extremely long, aided by the nice acidity level. The tobacco and thyme notes really shine in the finish.
Overall: GREAT value. Really hits all the areas of a CDP. This is one of the most complex wines I've had, and at under $30 you really can't beat it. I both desire to try the famed Château de Beaucastel and fear that it isn't worth the $100 price jump. If you want to try out an available CDP (although technically not a AOC CDP) try this one out.

Also, I never posted my review of the Vintage 21 year old Rye. It's pretty interesting. The bouquet is all sorts of pepper and citrus peel. The taste is FIRE FIRE FIRE. It's amazing. If drinking a fireball were a pleasurable experience, it would taste like this. The real shine, however, is in the finish. I think it's over two minutes long! And ALLLLLLL the flavor comes out in the finish: orange peel, white pepper, banana, tobacco. Simply AMAZING. Well worth the $70 price. I also had Ole Rip Van Winkle 13 year old. It's another heat bomb with a superb finish. The taste on the palate is not as hot, so there's more mouth action going on, but the finish is not as long.

I want to continue with my trek through France. I was thinking about staying near the Rhone, and perhaps trying out some Hermitage. However, I'm wondering if I should venture elsewhere and try something different. Does anyone have any suggestions.

I also want to pick up some more liquors. I was thinking about trying to make some pousse cafes, and perhaps picking up some Creme Yvette or Violet Liquor and trying it out.

Also, my friend Jim Meehan was on the Jimmy Fallon show making winter drinks! Congrats. The show isn't on youtube, but here's a link. He's the bartender of the original neo-speak easy in NYC, Please Don't Tell. He's a pretty rad dude, and he's living the life -- he goes around the world and advises new establishments on how to set up their bar.

And here's him and a cocktail historian, Dave Wondrich, making what is, 100 years on, STILL the coolest cocktail ever made: the Blue Blazer, invented by the original bartender, Jerry Thomas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYFjL6ills

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited January 2010
    I enjoy all things whiskey and whisky.

    From a standard Jack on the rocks, to a Macallan 18, to expensive and bizarre japanese single malts.

    Mmmmmm, Whisk(e)y.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I think my buddy is gonna pick up a Japanese Single Malt either today or tomorrow. I'm excited to try it.

    I want to pick up a bottle of the Sazerac 18 when I get my next big paycheck, which should be soon considering that restaurant week is coming up.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited January 2010
    Sazerac is quite the epic bottle; that's a bold drink in every way... what's that run for nowadays, 300 bones?

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Here's Jim making a FANTASTIC Ramos Gin Fizz (he made that for me when he was at my place, and it was fucking amazing. So frothy.) Watch for one of my personal faves, the Sazerac, after.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6OUTW86Y0g&feature=related

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    syndalis wrote: »
    Sazerac is quite the epic bottle; that's a bold drink in every way... what's that run for nowadays, 300 bones?

    I don't think so. On vinquire, you can usually find it for just over a bill. You just have to search for it.

    Great ryes are expensive because the supply is so dwarfed by the demand. Rye has become a pretty chic liquor in the last few years -- thanks in part to the classic cocktail revival -- and they just haven't had time to age the stuff. So you just need to poke around -- again, vinquire is a great tool -- and you should be good. I have a link that has a great package deal of the pappy 13 and the sazerac 18 for $150, but I'm not posting it here!

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    So if I was to pick up George Dickel, should I get Old 12 or 8?

    The libertarian response to anything is, "Sure, that works fine in practice, but it doesn't fly in theory."
  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Hey Pods, you should really stick that '06 Coudoulet de Beaucastel in the cellar for a good 3-5 years. That juice will just open right up and you'll likely just blow your wad upon sniffing the cork.

    Or I suppose you could just decant it for two hours or so, ha.

    Just a heads up: Cinderalla Wines is making noise about how they're going to have some super crazy sale price on a barolo starting at 9pm tonight. Might want to check it out around that time, because barolos don't come cheap!

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck that pennyarcade guy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've never had Pusser's Navy Rum, but sipping rum may be my favorite alcohol right now

    I really want to pick up one of these fuckawesome Trafalger decanters, but I think they retailed for ~$150 and I'm sure they're more expensive now

    http://www.pussers.com/rum/products

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Hey Pods, you should really stick that '06 Coudoulet de Beaucastel in the cellar for a good 3-5 years. That juice will just open right up and you'll likely just blow your wad upon sniffing the cork.

    Or I suppose you could just decant it for two hours or so, ha.

    Just a heads up: Cinderalla Wines is making noise about how they're going to have some super crazy sale price on a barolo starting at 9pm tonight. Might want to check it out around that time, because barolos don't come cheap!

    Well shit. I'm going to be busy trying to SELL Barolos at 9, so that's gonna be hard. Are you going to be there?

    At under $30, I think that I can afford to treat the Coud de Beau as a vin de pays! Might even pick up a couple of bottles.

    edit* oh, it's a website. Well I'll have to take a nice long bathroom break right around 9pm then!

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've never had Pusser's Navy Rum, but sipping rum may be my favorite alcohol right now

    I really want to pick up one of these fuckawesome Trafalger decanters, but I think they retailed for ~$150 and I'm sure they're more expensive now

    http://www.pussers.com/rum/products

    I'm a little confused by Pusser's rum. The idea of the line is that it's the exact same stuff the British sailors drank, but I thought the reason for early rum drinks like grog is that it tasted terrible.

    The libertarian response to anything is, "Sure, that works fine in practice, but it doesn't fly in theory."
  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Crown Royal is where the flavor is at.

    I am sorry but ever since I had it I refuse to buy anything else.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck that pennyarcade guy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Cervetus wrote: »
    I've never had Pusser's Navy Rum, but sipping rum may be my favorite alcohol right now

    I really want to pick up one of these fuckawesome Trafalger decanters, but I think they retailed for ~$150 and I'm sure they're more expensive now

    http://www.pussers.com/rum/products

    I'm a little confused by Pusser's rum. The idea of the line is that it's the exact same stuff the British sailors drank, but I thought the reason for early rum drinks like grog is that it tasted terrible.

    well

    I think it's the same recipe

    but aged 15 years? presumably that accounts for the difference

    I never really thought about it, to be honest

    I was swept up in the romance of the marketing :(

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Crown Royal is where the flavor is at.

    I am sorry but ever since I had it I refuse to buy anything else.

    Crown Royal is extremely boring, dude. It's an average blended whiskey.

    Try a nice rye or bourbon.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck that pennyarcade guy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    also, I have made grog at home and ordered it in a bar

    it's pretty nasty

  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Crown Royal is where the flavor is at.

    I am sorry but ever since I had it I refuse to buy anything else.

    Crown Royal is extremely boring, dude. It's an average blended whiskey.

    Try a nice rye or bourbon.

    What would a nice rye be in your opinion?

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Has anyone tried Hendrick's Gin? It is apparently quite good, although the idea of Scottish Gin does strike me as slightly odd.

    Also, when drinking cask ale, always check the alcohol strength before starting! I have just had the worst hangover in a year or two because I didn't!

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Crown Royal is where the flavor is at.

    I am sorry but ever since I had it I refuse to buy anything else.

    Crown Royal is extremely boring, dude. It's an average blended whiskey.

    Try a nice rye or bourbon.

    What would a nice rye be in your opinion?

    Well it depends on how much you want to spend. For under twenty dollars, the Rittenhouse Bottled-in-Bond or the Old Rip van Winkle 6 year are better than many whiskies double that price. The Sazerac 6 year is a great all around rye, for around $30 for a bottle. If you want to get into sipping ryes, see if you can find a Vintage 21, a Pappy Van Winkle 13 Year Riserve, or the Sazerac 18 year.

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  • KirbithKirbith Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I find myself being quite partial to some delicious Jack Daniels.

    Plus I have some awesome bbq sauce of the same flavor.

    I need to combo these two in a meal.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Rums. I love Rum. Rum doesn't get nearly enough respect in the world of alcohol, probably because everyone is used to the shitty rums you mix into drinks.

    Well my friends, sample some Cruzan Blackstrap or their 12 year old special. Cruzan are a 12th generation rum family and by god they've mastered their craft. Anyone got some other recommendations for most delicious rums?

  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Ok, I want to get good at making Long Island Iced Teas. What are some good liquors to use in it, where it's nice enough that it tastes good, but not so expensive that I feel like I'm throwing money down the toilet when I use them to make a mixed drink?

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    Rums. I love Rum. Rum doesn't get nearly enough respect in the world of alcohol, probably because everyone is used to the shitty rums you mix into drinks.

    Well my friends, sample some Cruzan Blackstrap or their 12 year old special. Cruzan are a 12th generation rum family and by god they've mastered their craft. Anyone got some other recommendations for most delicious rums?

    I'm not the biggest fan of rum, but I want to see if that changes this summer. I've got bottles of pyrat and appleton estate waiting to get some love.

    If you want to get into spirits, rum seems to be the way to go. It seems like even the best rums can be had for relatively cheap, which not only means that you can get the good stuff, but also you can build up a nice collection really fast.

    As for the Jack, well, that's just silly.

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Ok, I want to get good at making Long Island Iced Teas. What are some good liquors to use in it, where it's nice enough that it tastes good, but not so expensive that I feel like I'm throwing money down the toilet when I use them to make a mixed drink?

    Do you have any reason why you want to? The LIIT is probably one of the worst cocktails -- it was invented because bartenders could just go down the speed rack -- vodka, gin, rum, tequila, triple sec, and then gun sour and coke. Wouldn't you rather make a decent cocktail that doesn't force you to get all those ingredients?

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Kirbith wrote: »
    I find myself being quite partial to some delicious Jack Daniels.

    Plus I have some awesome bbq sauce of the same flavor.

    I need to combo these two in a meal.

    Please don't die.

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  • KirbithKirbith Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Kirbith wrote: »
    I find myself being quite partial to some delicious Jack Daniels.

    Plus I have some awesome bbq sauce of the same flavor.

    I need to combo these two in a meal.

    Please don't die.

    Mmm mmm some chicken with the bbq sauce followed by a Jack and coke?

    That sounds like a mighty delicious combination.

    Not silly at all. :P

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Jack Daniel's is an atrocious whiskey. It tastes like pure sugar. How it ever got paired with coke is beyond me.

    Try a nice bourbon like Michter's or Woodford Reserve or Blanton's or Maker's.

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  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Appleton Estate is good stuff at a nice price! Definitely my choice for a sipping rum.

    Everyone here seems to love Woodford Reserve, so I'm going to have to pick up a bottle for myself one of these days.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Appleton Estate is good stuff at a nice price! Definitely my choice for a sipping rum.

    Everyone here seems to love Woodford Reserve, so I'm going to have to pick up a bottle for myself one of these days.

    Appleton Estate with an age number on it is absolutely great. Their normal stuff is pretty good for a more or less virgin rum, but it's not as good (IMO) as Cruzan's 'virgin' offerings.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Everyone here seems to love Woodford Reserve, so I'm going to have to pick up a bottle for myself one of these days.

    I made a nice sour with it last night (simple syrup, lemon juice, egg white) and it turned out fucking awesome.

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    The only whiskey worth drinking is Jim Beam.

    /thread

  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck that pennyarcade guy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Robman wrote: »
    Rums. I love Rum. Rum doesn't get nearly enough respect in the world of alcohol, probably because everyone is used to the shitty rums you mix into drinks.

    Well my friends, sample some Cruzan Blackstrap or their 12 year old special. Cruzan are a 12th generation rum family and by god they've mastered their craft. Anyone got some other recommendations for most delicious rums?

    Ron Zacapa 23 anos is probably my favorite rum right now

    I prefer the slighty sweeter flavors, but not nearly as overdone as pyrat xo

    zaya makes a pretty good rum, although not as good as the ron 23

    sea wynde is an interesting rum that tastes way more like a whiskey. much less sweetness, pretty complex flavor

    I don't consider regular appleton to be in the sipping category

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, pyrat xo is waaaaaay too sweet for me. I might try making mai tais with it -- I've got a bottle of orgeat, so maybe I can just skimp on the simple syrup.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Kirbith wrote: »
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Kirbith wrote: »
    I find myself being quite partial to some delicious Jack Daniels.

    Plus I have some awesome bbq sauce of the same flavor.

    I need to combo these two in a meal.

    Please don't die.

    Mmm mmm some chicken with the bbq sauce followed by a Jack and coke?

    That sounds like a mighty delicious combination.

    Not silly at all. :P

    You have a drinking problem.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck that pennyarcade guy Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've also heard good things about Mount Gay Extra Old, although I haven't tried it myself

    $35-45 seems to be the sweet spot, pricewise, for a good sipping rum

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Crown Royal is where the flavor is at.

    I am sorry but ever since I had it I refuse to buy anything else.

    Crown Royal is extremely boring, dude. It's an average blended whiskey.

    Try a nice rye or bourbon.

    Totally agree. I was once given a bit of Crown Royal. There wasn't much left in the bottle, so I decided to cut it with a little water. Probably about a 2:1 whiskey/water ratio. I ended up barely able to taste the whiskey. I tend to hate cutting whiskey with water (or even use ice cubes), but even when I do, I expect a little flavor.

    I don't think I've had rye, but bourbon is so tasty, and can be a hell of a lot better than Crown Royal. Even bottom shelf bourbons like Old Crow can be tasty once you get used to them.

  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Woodchuck beer is pretty good.

    Anyone had that?

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Ok, I want to get good at making Long Island Iced Teas. What are some good liquors to use in it, where it's nice enough that it tastes good, but not so expensive that I feel like I'm throwing money down the toilet when I use them to make a mixed drink?

    Do you have any reason why you want to? The LIIT is probably one of the worst cocktails -- it was invented because bartenders could just go down the speed rack -- vodka, gin, rum, tequila, triple sec, and then gun sour and coke. Wouldn't you rather make a decent cocktail that doesn't force you to get all those ingredients?

    Because I like them? I mean, I like other cocktails too.

    edit:: also I was going to get most of the ingredients anyway. I only recently ran out of vodka and rum, and I have tequila and gin, I just figured I'd ask around here.

  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    Woodchuck beer is pretty good.

    Anyone had that?

    Are you talking about the cider?

  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Jack Daniel's is an atrocious whiskey. It tastes like pure sugar. How it ever got paired with coke is beyond me.

    Try a nice bourbon like Michter's or Woodford Reserve or Blanton's or Maker's.
    The best part about Blanton's is after you drink ten bottles, you can put on a proper race.
    Podly wrote: »
    Yeah, pyrat xo is waaaaaay too sweet for me. I might try making mai tais with it -- I've got a bottle of orgeat, so maybe I can just skimp on the simple syrup.
    Not a fan of Pyrat, either. Angostura 1919 is good if you can find it. I like St. James Hors D'Age as well.

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Oathbreaker KingslayerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2010
    Cider. Yeah whoops. My mind is elsewhere.

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2010
    I've tried it once. I didn't particularly care for it. It tasted fine, but doesn't have enough alcohol in it to make me drunk. If I'm in a cider sort of mood, better to go for some homemade mulled cider. If I'm in a get-shitty sort of mood, I'd rather have some whiskey or something.

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