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Maybe RE4 was just that memorable? Maybe nothing that came out at the end of the year was that good?
Seriously though, I didn't make sweeping generalizations for a reason. I specifically didn't say 'ALL' games that come out at the end of the year will be number one. Or that ALL games that came out at the beginning of the year are ranked low. Just, in general, that seems to be a trend in any OTY poll. Memory is an issue in many cases. To go back to my other example, I'm sure there's movies that came out at the beginning of the year that have been nominated or picked for best picture as well.
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If anything we have a "agree to disagree" bias, which is why this forum rocks.
besides which, because of the way publisher schedules work with regards to christmas and other holidays, most of the "big releases" come out at the ends of the year
there doesn't seem to be such thing as summer blockbusters in gaming
basically what i'm trying to say is that the reason that games in the middle of the year are often forgetten about is probably because they're generally not worth remembering
It's all up to the PA electoral college.
Whose jobs were all recently outsourced to the 360 arcadians.
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Hell, I bought and played some of NSMB but I did not vote for it.
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He can.
He's wrong.
But he can deny anything he wants.
Edit: Just to clarify because on hindsight this can be construed as flame bait, I dont mind a Nintendo bias, Nintendo are my favorite company, Zelda is a good game, lord knows the Wii is superior in every aspect to the PS3 for me. So a Nintendo bias isnt a bad thing, if anything it shows the quality and integrity of these forums.
But for GOTY polls it is a bad thing, as it skews results, which in my opinion this year meant a game (Zelda) won when it was not the best game of the year.
Again this is just my opinion but whatever.
Neither Gears nor Z:TWP met your standards? Not to sound rude, but I think your standards are a bit high. Both games moved the industry forward in their own way, which is the mark of a true GOTY candidate.
Twilight Princess is a solid Zelda-style game, but that's exactly its problem. It doesn't do anything new. It has some new gimmicks and sequences, but that doesn't do enough to make it stand out. Just because it's a Zelda game doesn't mean it's good. Just because it does the Zelda formula well...again...doesn't make it okay.
Zelda did anything BUT move the genre or game industry. It stuck to the formula.
Also, it's too bad Mother 3 didn't get a chance, and probably won't. It would have swept every GOTY contest.
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Well, then I guess we can agree to disagree.
I think Gears was the first true next gen title I have seen yet. It trully showed off what next gen is supposed to look like. That moved the industry forward. The entire game was fun, which is something I can't say for many titles that bring the kind of eye candy GoW does. Many of them rest entirely on said candy, while Gears took the candy to the "next gen" level while still putting an interesting game under the cover.
Zelda moved things forward because of the Wii interface. Aside from Wii sports, it's one of the best examples yet of what the Wii can do in terms of human interface design. You can downplay it all you want, but it took a major leap forward in terms of human interfaces to machines, while still keeping the tried, true and fun Zelda formula in tact.
Again, we can just agree to disagree on this. I think both games have made large contributions to what we will expect from games in the future.
More than any other long running franchise, every single Zelda game released has been universally called "excellent" to "mind blowing". It's not good just because it has "Zelda" in the title; it just so happens the people who make the Zelda games do it extraordinarily well.
Owned.
Also, Zelda has had some great games, and then some mediocre games as much as any other series.
I really want to know what the hell qualifies as "moving the industry." Most of the shit that the media lauds as "moving the industry" didn't really do anything but cohesively gel conventions that had already been around in 2D into 3D (see: Devil May Cry). Twilight Princess gave us what we love, except much more of it, and in a much more polished way. And that's the best that a franchise that has to struggle so hard to top itself can do without risking a total fan back-lash and gimped sales. Shit, Wind Waker created a huge rift, and that was only an aesthetic transition. Imagine what fan morale would come to if they didn't make up for that.
It isn't Nintendo's fault if they bake the best pumpkin pies around and a few people want to whine that it's not pecan.
Toad, the only Zelda game I can think of that could be considered mediocre was Zelda II (I thought it was great), and maybe the Oracle games (I though they were awesome as hell).
The others? Zelda NES - classic. LttP - one of the best games on the SNES. LA - best GB game, period. OoT - No need to explain. MM - Not quite as highly regarded, but still considered a classic. WW - Refined OoT style gaming very well, well loved. TP - ultimate refinement of 3d Zelda gameplay.
Really, I'm just going by popular critical views on the titles.
Though that seems to be a minority opinion.
Is TP good? Yes. Is it ALL good? No. Frankly, I found that inexcusable, given that it's a Zelda game and they spent 4+ years on it. Zelda games should be perfect, and TP wasn't.
Maybe it is unfair to expect something new out of a franchise- oh wait no it isn't. Several franchises innovate. Each Final Fantasy has implemented new systems in each game. Each Metal Gear refines and changes the gameplay and structure of the game. Even Mario tries new shit. And none of those are above criticism, but at least they try something new.
hey man, I love zelda2.
I just wanted to check what I was saying, so I looked at the review scores for the most recent games I could find (Gamerankings):
Link to the Past - 93.5%
Link's Awakening DX - 91.7%
Ocarina of Time - 97.7%
Majora's Mask - 92.5%
Oracle of Season/Ages - 92.5%
Minish Cap - 91.0%
Wind Waker - 94.7%
Twilight Princess - 95%
I realize some other series have consistently high review scores (Final Fantasy, Mario), too.
And was also complete shit until just recently.
As much as I absolutely adore Metal Gear... :lol: Every Metal Gear from MG1 to MGS2 plays almost the exact same way, except that newer ones have fancier graphics and hammier dialogue. And even MGS3 needed a completely overhauled re-release to meet most modern standards of change.
Have you ever seen anybody's reasoning as to why they might not have liked Super Mario Sunshine?
Ignoring your silly, silly point (being that Twilight Princess, a game that provides a transformation mechanic that provides sorts of gameplay previously unseen and still manages to be a less novel addition than being able to press a few buttons in a menu and watch Naked Snake nearly choke himself on a raw trout, isn't "different" enough)--who the fuck cares? Maybe the game isn't all that different, but I was too busy burying myself in dozens of hours of enjoying myself to get caught up in that kind of pretentious shit.
I was posting the numbers to show that there really haven't been any overwhelmingly mediocre Zelda games...but now I pretty much forgot why I was trying to prove that point, anyway.
Oh well.
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So whats with all the arguing in here anyway? The games are ranked on how people liked them. It just so happens that Zelda is the most liked game of the year. How is that such a problem?
Just to chime in if anything Zelda shows that traditional games still work quite well with the new Wii interface and that every game doesn't need to be "gimmicky" Something you may recall was a concern with the DS.
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