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[NHL] Flying Bruin, Crouching Buffalo

CorvusCorvus Caw?VancouverRegistered User regular
edited April 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
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NHL News Sources:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/
TSN is Canada's premier national sports network. While they have a partnership with ESPN, it should be kept in mind that they are not owned by them. They have many well connected and interesting, and occasionally annoying analysts such as Pierre McGuire, Bob MacKenzie and Ray Ferraro. Bob Mackenzie is one of the best at breaking trades and is usually credible on rumours.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/ Home of Hockey Night in Canada, the number one hockey show in history. Home of Don Cherry and his smarmy side-kick. As a website it's probably not that great, but if you want to watch HNIC streamed in Punjabi, this is the place to go. No, I am not making that up.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/ Honestly, I don't look at this much, but Buccigross' columns are amusing.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/ The Hockey News. One of the features I like best about this site is the team depth charts it gives. Most sites just give you a roster sorted by position, THN goes a little deeper.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/ You want to know the salary cap implications of the guy you've never heard of that your team just traded for, this is where you go. Has all the info you need, even if the web design seems like it's from 1992.

http://nhluniforms.com/ Not a news site, but if you want to see the complete uniform history of the NHL, I've got you covered.


http://www.nhl.com/ Duh.

Special Note:
If you believe anything written by Eklund on HockeyBuzz, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

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Otherwise, I will try to keep the first post up to date with whatever big news is going on. Olympic tournament discussion seems to be the order of the day. Lots of injury stuff going on Getzlaf's ankle, Koivu and Selanne, etc.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I meant to add to my last post: I think the US has a shot behind Miller (though I hate him). Dude is terrifying in single elimination, as I recall from his days at Michigan State.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yea, it's Nabokov as starter goalie, Bryzgalov as backup, and the Boulin Wall as 3rd for Russia. However, their forward line looks like:
    Alexander Ovechkin
    Evgeni Malkin
    Ilya Kovalchuk
    Alexander Semin
    Pavel Datsyuk
    Sergei Fedorov
    Alexander Radulov (KHL)
    Aleksey Morozov (KHL)
    Alexei Yashin (KHL)
    Sergey Mozyakin (KHL)
    Nikolai Zherdev

    Which is fairly impressive.

  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I meant to add to my last post: I think the US has a shot behind Miller (though I hate him). Dude is terrifying in single elimination, as I recall from his days at Michigan State.

    Yeah, I initially didn't think the US was a big threat this year, the team seems pretty young, and theres a bit of a drop off in the current US forward group from previous teams, but Miller could steal them games easily.

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Aegis wrote: »
    Yea, it's Nabokov as starter goalie, Bryzgalov as backup, and the Boulin Wall as 3rd for Russia. However, their forward line looks like:
    Alexander Ovechkin
    Evgeni Malkin
    Ilya Kovalchuk
    Alexander Semin
    Pavel Datsyuk
    Nikolai Zherdev
    Alexander Frolov
    Alexei Kovalev
    Alexander Radulov (KHL)
    Aleksey Morozov (KHL)
    Nikita Filatov
    Sergei Fedorov
    Alexei Yashin (KHL)

    Which is fairly impressive.

    Zhedev is a KHL guy too. And I thought the russians snubbed kovalev? Did someone get injured, or did they just change it?

    Also, Russia is supposed to have a secret taxi squad that might be late additions to the team from the rumors I've seen around the internets.

  • AegisAegis Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    From what I understand, you don't actually have to finalize your roster until monday night. With Russia, I was surprised they left Zubov off their roster. He, apparently, was also pissed off at that.

    Also, news for Canadians who have Shaw for their TV, at least in the Vancouver area, Shaw has shifted TSN on to Basic Cable for the Olympics.

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I wish I still lived in states that got canadian broadcasting.

  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I wish I still lived in states that got canadian broadcasting.
    CTV wrote:
    For the first time, every second of every competition will be streamed live at CTVOlympics.ca and RDSolympiques.ca - the only online destinations in Canada for live coverage of the 2010 Winter Games.

    Now, whether or not IP addresses outside Canada will be able to get in on that, I do not know. Or maybe you'll get hosed like we do with Hulu, unless you use a proxy or something.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I wish I still lived in states that got canadian broadcasting.

    Outside of the family, it's the one thing I'll miss about this hellhole.

    Though Cherry has descended into self-parody and it makes me sad.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I wish I still lived in states that got canadian broadcasting.

    Outside of the family, it's the one thing I'll miss about this hellhole.

    Though Cherry has descended into self-parody and it makes me sad.

    Where are you at in michigan again? I was back up there for Coast Guard fest up in grand haven over my birthday last summer, but I don't go back as often as I should.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    I wish I still lived in states that got canadian broadcasting.

    Outside of the family, it's the one thing I'll miss about this hellhole.

    Though Cherry has descended into self-parody and it makes me sad.

    Where are you at in michigan again? I was back up there for Coast Guard fest up in grand haven over my birthday last summer, but I don't go back as often as I should.

    Ann Arbor.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Wait Sergei Fedorov is still around? I remember him from NHL 96 or 97 because his name sounded funny at the time. Huh he's only 40, thought he would be older.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    L|ama wrote: »
    Wait Sergei Fedorov is still around? I remember him from NHL 96 or 97 because his name sounded funny at the time. Huh he's only 40, thought he would be older.

    He was on the Caps' second line last season. Also was inexplicably playing defense in OT when they got eliminated.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • Sharp101Sharp101 TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Man, It took me a second to find this thread.

    Looking forward to the final Leafs game tomorrow!

  • ShockwaveShockwave Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, I'm looking forward to friday, good times.

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Sharp101 wrote: »
    Man, It took me a second to find this thread.

    Looking forward to the final Leafs game tomorrow!

    Me too, should be fun. Also, it's worth mentioning, there's only something like 3 or 4 days that trades can be made in. As there's a roster freeze over the Olympics, which runs until Feb 28th, and the deadline is March 3.

    Brian Burke has also pulled out of the opening ceremonies for the USA for fairly obvious reasons.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah I'm not expecting any trades from Burkie until after the Olympic Break.

    Poor guy. Also, Corvus, I'll write up a little blurb on PPM for ya.

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Man I hate Hot Stove.

  • langfor6langfor6 Registered User
    edited February 2010
    I'm starting to think the Red Wings might actually miss the playoffs this season.

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Also with reference to the game in the OP:

    "WITH THE PASS"
    *whistle noises* WEEE WOOO WEEE WEEE WOOO

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  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited February 2010
    saint2e wrote: »
    Also with reference to the game in the OP:

    "WITH THE PASS"
    *whistle noises* WEEE WOOO WEEE WEEE WOOO

    I believe the Blades of Steel fighting rule to be the best one. You lose the fight, your team gets a penalty. :P

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    How much monies do you guys get from your general sponser on wednesdays?

    I get a little over a mil, and I'm not sure if that is reasonable/above/below average. And since the season is nearing the end, I want to know what I should be looking for in the off season.

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    How much monies do you guys get from your general sponser on wednesdays?

    I get a little over a mil, and I'm not sure if that is reasonable/above/below average. And since the season is nearing the end, I want to know what I should be looking for in the off season.

    I'm in my 2nd season as a manager and I get 2.8 million a week.

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  • ShockwaveShockwave Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Man I hate Hot Stove.

    Soundwave calls it the "Bore Stove" and I call it "oh gawd, why the hell can't I press X to go to the next period".

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Heh, an open letter to Vesa Toskala from Downgoesbrown:
    Former Maple Leafs goalie Vesa Toskala was recently quoted taking a few shots at Toronto, telling reporters that he was looking forward to an opportunity to "wash that blue and white out of my gear".

    Toskala is certainly entitled to his opinions. However, in the spirit of respectful dialog, Down Goes Brown would like to offer the response below.

    Dear Vesa,

    Thanks for stopping by my blog. I'll pause for a moment while you configure your screen reading software.

    It's now been ten days since you were traded. Soon you'll be making your debut with Anaheim, pending the resolution of some visa issues that were presumably caused by a customs agent who was a Ducks fan. In any event, it was probably a pleasant change for you to be involved in a story where something was actually denied entry.

    You're currently involved in a mini-controversy with your new team, who have denied your request to wear your familiar #35. They're apparently unaware of how important that number is to you, given that it represents your approximate career save percentage. But let's not focus on Anaheim -- instead, let's take a look back at your time in Toronto.

    You came to Toronto three years ago when you were acquired in a trade by John Ferguson Jr., which should have been our first hint as to how things would turn out. In your initial training camp you managed to lose the starter's job to Andrew Raycroft, which is somewhat like losing a slam dunk contest to Stephen Hawking. But eventually you assumed the starter's role, and fans in Toronto had a chance to get to know you.

    You had your good points. For example, fans never had to worry about an extended streak of poor performances since you could always be counted on to fake a groin injury as soon as things went bad. You were responsible for more groin-related fakery than Meg Ryan in When Harry Met Sally. The only legitimate lower-body injury you ever suffered was a chronic distended bladder, caused by your unfortunate habit of taking a small sip of water after every goal against.

    Despite that, fans were prepared to embrace you. Toronto is a town that loves its goaltenders, from the prickly Ed Belfour to the comatose Felix Potvin. We were ready to make you our next goaltending idol, like Curtis Joseph. Instead, after three seasons the only Joseph-inspired activity we wanted to see you involved with was a roundhouse kick to the face.

    (And yes, I could have also gone with "getting hit in the face with a Wendel Clark slapshot". But that would involve a puck making contact with you, and we have no actual evidence that that's physically possible.)

    Since the trade, we've learned that you didn't enjoy working with Leafs goaltending coach François Allaire, who described you as "not a guy who likes to build relations with coaches". In fairness, Allaire was probably difficult to work with since his three Stanley Cup rings would distract you when he tried to point out that you had your pads on upside down. Word is you had trouble adapting to the famous "Allaire style", which includes such complex techniques as "Don't stand with your entire body inside the net", "Hey maybe try opening your eyes for a change", and "Seriously, get out of your net before I run over you with this zamboni".

    Anyway, you may be gone, but we'll always have the memories. For example, you once allowed a 185-foot dribbler to beat you in Long Island. Many physicists would argue that it's impossible to get beat top corner by a puck that's actually rolling, but you managed to prove them wrong. Then you outdid yourself this season in a game against the Sabres, when you managed to reach out with your glove hand and deflect a harmless dump-in straight into your own net. The goal was watched with disbelief by Leaf fans around the world, who until that moment had been unaware that you actually owned a glove hand.

    All this is not to say that everyone in Toronto is happy to see you go. The local twine-repair industry, until recently a multi-million dollar business, has fallen on hard times. But local environmentalists are thrilled that MLSE has significantly reduced its carbon footprint, since it will no longer have a red light bulb that stays lit for most of every game.

    It didn't work out for you in Toronto, but I'm sure Leaf fans join me in wishing you best in your future endeavors. Good luck the rest of the year in Anaheim, next year in the KHL, two years from now in ECHL, three years from now in the GTHL, and, eventually, as the starter in Montreal.

    Just get the hell out of Toronto. And don't let the door handle slip untouched through your fivehole on the way out.

    Your friends,
    Leafs Nation

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  • DibsDibs Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    That DGB post was gold, love it.

    My sponsor gives me just over a mil as well, the contract is rated as having three stars.. *shrug*

    I've got 14 staff applicantions waiting, will waiting for my econ department to finish upgrading (L3) affect their quality - or should I just check now and start hiring? I'm in no rush to get guys in for my game tomorrow.

  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Tears are rolling down my face... Well done Downgoesbrown.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dibs wrote: »
    That DGB post was gold, love it.

    My sponsor gives me just over a mil as well, the contract is rated as having three stars.. *shrug*

    I've got 14 staff applicantions waiting, will waiting for my econ department to finish upgrading (L3) affect their quality - or should I just check now and start hiring? I'm in no rush to get guys in for my game tomorrow.

    Start hiring those staff members. Even if you've got cruft at a staff position, it's better than not having anyone.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Is this the one that No Great Name thinks should have been a goal?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4MiMm5U6W8&feature=player_embedded

    You are generally not allowed to jump when you check people, also you are not allowed to check people that haven't played the puck, admittedly these rule do not apply to AO, so I guess you are right. The Ref's were out to get you guys.

  • tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Ovechkin is a shitheel

    I am not sure why you don't think that is goaltender interference

  • DibsDibs Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Gill plays the puck just before getting "WHAM"ed, and I think the elevation OV gets is post-hit. Edit: Yeah, he doesn't really leave his feet for the check - you can see Gil play the puck at ~0:38. Did that end up counting?

    saint2e, it doesn't help to wait until my upgrade is done to check the applications? Right now they're just in the inbox, but my theory was that when I check them my facility level will impact their quality.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, that's not interference on Gill. I'm not sure what the rule is on knocking a defenseman into the goalie to score are, but I presume that's goalie interference.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dibs wrote: »
    Gill plays the puck just before getting "WHAM"ed, and I think the elevation OV gets is post-hit. Edit: Yeah, he doesn't really leave his feet for the check - you can see Gil play the puck at ~0:38. Did that end up counting?

    saint2e, it doesn't help to wait until my upgrade is done to check the applications? Right now they're just in the inbox, but my theory was that when I check them my facility level will impact their quality.

    It, rightfully, did not count. AO checks Gill into the goalie, then continues to push while lying on the ice until the goalie, the dman, and he himself is in the net.

    Yes, it was interference on AO, but he probably didn't get a penalty for it. If he didn't get a penalty there is no reason to disallow that goal. I mean, you NEED to give that penalty if you are going to disallow the goal, because there is no other reason to disallow it other than calling the blatently obvious intereference.

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    For those curious, from Puck Daddy
    69.6 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

    In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

    In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately.

    And from Habs Eyes on the Prize, a la puck daddy comes an explination for why there was no inteference call
    What is most mystifying to many is that if Ovechkin did interfere with Price as was judged, why was there not a penalty call? It's a good question, and the answer is a simple one. A minor penalty cannot be called once a play is over. In other words, since the whistle had blown and the play had ended, a penalty could have only been called against Ovechkin if an infraction had been signaled at the time of the incident.

    Also curious is how a goal can be disallowed after an official points out that it is a goal on the ice. That answer is equally simple. The on ice official's only task in judging goals is to signify that the puck has indeed fully crossed the goal line. Again, in other words, what goes on beyond the parameter of the puck crossing the line can be brought into play after the fact.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Seems to me the letter of the law doesn't really apply, though obviously the spirit of the rule was correctly called. Also: that wasn't (shouldn't have been) a minor on Ovechkin.

    Lose: to suffer defeat, to misplace (Ex: "I hope I don't lose the match." "Did you lose your phone again?")
    Loose: about to slip, to release (Ex: "That knot is loose." "Loose arrows.")
  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Dibs wrote: »
    Gill plays the puck just before getting "WHAM"ed, and I think the elevation OV gets is post-hit. Edit: Yeah, he doesn't really leave his feet for the check - you can see Gil play the puck at ~0:38. Did that end up counting?

    saint2e, it doesn't help to wait until my upgrade is done to check the applications? Right now they're just in the inbox, but my theory was that when I check them my facility level will impact their quality.

    That's a grey area. Kinda like waiting until your sports academy is upgraded before checking players in the academy.

    If you've viewed the staff members already, what you saw will be what you get. But it sounds like since you know how many staff applications there are, you've already gone that far... I don't believe it will change as the staff members will have been generated by the system already.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Habs Eye on the Prize's explanation is bullshit.

    You can so call penalties after a play has been whistled down. Just look at how many players get "coincedental minors" for roughing after a play has been whistled down and they start jostling around the net.

    Still, that shouldn't have been a goal. If anything, I would've called AO for charging. He clearly left his feet.

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    Haha, oh wow.

    None of those rules apply, sorry.

    The defender was playing the puck, Ovie did not leave his feet on the check, the goalie had not made a stop.

    It was incidental contact and it's pitiable you would side with officiating error.

    Hockey justice will be had.

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  • saint2esaint2e Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    I'm not sure how you can argue that he didn't leave his feet, I mean, the video clearly shows it. And he fell forward. I believe that move is called a "bulldog".

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  • DissociaterDissociater Registered User regular
    edited February 2010
    It's not the first time a goal has been waived off because of incidental contact, but no penalty was awarded. I vividly remember a call going that way against the Leafs two years ago. I remember because we drove down to Long Island to see the Leafs play the Islanders. The Leafs scored near the end of the game to take the lead, but Kerry Fraiser called off the goal claiming the goalie was interfered with, but no penalty was called.

    It's happened a number of times since then.

    It's not really a new thing.

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