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White Man Declares Jihad on The IRS and Commits Terrorist Act
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Oh God as funny as that is, Modernman lives in DC (or around it). <_<
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Due to the poor state of the economy, taxes should be lower!
And if you'd passed our tax cuts, this never would have happened!
No honest discussion will come of this. Though I'd like an unrelated conversation about the EZ forms again.
He is going to be PISSED when he finds out he has to pay taxes on those virgins.
Though you could put them on a spectrum I suppose.
Revolutionary martyrs are always branded terrorists by those in power.
This was violent protest, not terrorism. There IS a difference. Although I'm sure the press will try to spin it otherwise.
Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot,
I see no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
Seriously though. This is a tragic way to end your life. Within the next few weeks there will be a ton of people coming out of the woodwork claiming "well we didn't think he would actually do it!"
Fucking Poe, I think?
*worries*
Queue in a prediction for attack on the internet community as a whole.
Did he do this out of frustration, anger, malice, or to send a message of a political nature? Terrorism.
Since there's a manifesto, I'm gonna go with the latter.
He posted it on his website, which appears to have been his business website until this morning.
[/Fox news]
Yep. Big difference. Not even the same as the Oklahoma City bombing or Waco or Ruby Ridge... legitimate grievance against the government, tried to work within the system, that didn't work, decided to act outside of the system.
Patriot.
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:lol:
Still, IT WAS ON THE INTERNET, HOW DID WE NOT KNOW AND STOP HIM!
INTERNET PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE SAVAGES WHO WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN!
etc.
I thought I had a great joke about Virgin Airlines in this context but then I lost it.
I have never seen anyone rage out against the internet like that.
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"...we are nearing a tipping point. People are getting tired of taking it anymore."
"I say, GOOD JOB!" (3 "great answers" to this)
"Maybe something is in the air. It is interesting that this man has been given a chance to voice his rationale for what appears on the surface to be an irrational act. He was not discounted out of hand as a raving lunatic like so many other disident newbies of the past. I’ve suspected for a long time that many of these “lunatic loners” and “lone gunmen” may have rational reasons for their rash acts."
"To those who think he was crazy, imbalanced or a raving lunatic, the man’s suicide note (complete note is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/joe-stack-statement-alleg_n_467539.html?page=2), there is nothing in what he’s written to affirm that. He is intelligent, articulate, and presents sound reasoning. I’m not in any way condoning what he did, but I’m wondering if he isn’t representative of countless Americans who are fed up with living lives of quiet desperation, and wondering what comes next."
So now I am actually scared.
If your "suicide" includes monetary and/or social damages beside the act of your death and if you're looking for an effect larger than "Well, that guy's life probably sucked", be it to instigate change, to pass a message or to influence an opinion, then yeah, it could/should be considered terrorism.
I'm hard pressed to think of any act of flying an airplane in a building which isn't terrorism outside of a "OH SHIT THAT'S A BUILDING".
Edit:
He was intelligent, articulate and they were going to take his plane away.
I also wonder if he isn't a representative of countless Americans who are fed up with living lives of quiet desperation....I'm laughing as I'm typing this, which honestly doesn't happen that often.
I knew this was how the conspiracy/anti-government sub-culture on the internet would react to this. Hes basically the first guy to actually go out and do something instead of just ranting on the internet and buying a lot of guns.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
What's that building doing way up here in this cloud bank?
No he isn't. There've been several mass shootings since Obama got in, by dudes angry about taxes and scared that Der Gubmint was going to take their guns. Ammo sales jumped by a fucking, and websites like the one Qingu quoted are full of these entitled narcissists being egged on by talk radio.
I'm sure that's how it will be painted yes.
Let's be honest. Representative government is broken. Why it is broken is up for discussion but it is, and it's obvious to everyone. Something has to change, and unfortunately nothing will change until people oppose the status quo. Violently, if history is any guide.
Is it right? No. Is it wrong? No. It just is. Right and wrong are relative; even the law isn't immutable when intent is taken into account. Did this individual cross a line? Yes. He also realized he was crossing a line and died for doing it; justice thus is served. Even better, nobody else so far has died because of it.
No dude. It was wrong. The wrongiest of wrongy wrongs from wrongsville.
It's really not broken. Our media culture/Political culture is broken, and treats politics like a sporting event, and truth is secondary to appearance of neutrality.
edit: and yes, destroying property because you failed to win a fight with the IRS is objectively wrong. Dying in an act of illegality isn't justice being served, it's avoiding justice in the most cowardly way possible: by not having to deal with the repercussions of your actions. The only up side to all this is that nobody else died.
That said, there's nothing wrong with representative government. It's better than direct democracy on a large scale, and no form of government will shut up the anti tax loons.
Wow. Nice.
I bet if you told these people about how George Washington put down the Whiskey Rebellion their heads would explode.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
This bolded is truth
It really is just a small-scale 9/11. Smaller plane, smaller building, same crazy.
THE FUCK?!
edit: phew. Read article, a woman and child were rescued from the house. Jesus. Who the fuck on any level of crazy goes "the government and taxes suck, time to die sweetheart!"
Man what, that kind of logic could rationalize anything.
Edit: His family was inside the house? Scumbag++.
Also, he set the place on fire with his family inside? I don't think the right-wing is going to chant this guy a hero. Well, not anyone in office.
Edit - Oh Jesus, they were rescued. Thank God.
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When that happened the government was insolvent and owed a lot of people money.
We're getting close to that point today. Just wait until the government has to default on the public debt and see what anarchy is set loose then.
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OK, family was news to me; definitely not right in the head. It's one thing to decide "I have to do this." Quite another to turn against the people you could rationalize doing it for.
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