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Your (kids') schools are run by idiots, facsists, and maybe pedophiles.

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  • mythagomythago Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    That is excessive for damn sure. As is the one million dollar mark for the lawsuit.

    There's no "mark". They have to prove they are entitled to whatever damages they eventually request - this is just to get the other side's attention.

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  • frandelgearslipfrandelgearslip Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Back at district offices, the Robbins motion says, employees with access to the images marveled at the tracking software. It was like a window into "a little LMSD soap opera," a staffer is quoted as saying in an e-mail to Carol Cafiero, the administrator running the program.

    "I know, I love it," she is quoted as having replied.
    When can we draw and quarter these people?

    I'll get the horse, you get the rope.

    The fact that the district has not fired anyone makes me sympathize with people who support school vouchers.

  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    Refusing to turn over the computer? Taking bets on child pornography being present!

    The kid is in high school and it took a picture every 15 minutes while his computer was on.

    The chance of there not being masurbation pictures is essentially 0.

  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Back at district offices, the Robbins motion says, employees with access to the images marveled at the tracking software. It was like a window into "a little LMSD soap opera," a staffer is quoted as saying in an e-mail to Carol Cafiero, the administrator running the program.

    "I know, I love it," she is quoted as having replied.
    When can we draw and quarter these people?

    Yeah, that quote is the most fucked-up part. Why were they using the system 24/7 instead of just on laptops that had been stolen? And how could the people doing this think that it was OK?

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Henroid wrote: »
    Refusing to turn over the computer? Taking bets on child pornography being present!

    The kid is in high school and it took a picture every 15 minutes while his computer was on.

    The chance of there not being masurbation pictures is essentially 0.

    Not just him but every student that had one

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  • nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    "I don't want my white boy in a class with those black folk in it but it's illegal to segregate schools, what to do? I know, let's give white people the ability to transfer to a white school instead, and split up the classrooms! That'll teach those intellectuals in Big Government from getting their Red Pinko Commie noses into my school district!"

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    The Justice Department accused the Walthall County School District in rural Mississippi of annually permitting more than 300 students, most of them white, to transfer to a school outside of their residential area, shifting its racial makeup.

    Further, administrators at three other schools grouped most of the white students into their own classrooms "resulting in significant numbers of segregated all-black classrooms at each grade level," the U.S. government said in a court filing.

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  • Orochi_RockmanOrochi_Rockman __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2010
    Oh, the story has gone from one picture from one laptop to thousands of pictures from most of the laptops. I can't believe not one person in the room when this idea was conceived stood up and said "Are you out of your fucking minds!?"

  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Oh, the story has gone from one picture from one laptop to thousands of pictures from most of the laptops. I can't believe not one person in the room when this idea was conceived stood up and said "Are you out of your fucking minds!?"

    Its going to be even funnier when you realise that probably a few of these laptops where owned by girls. Secretly spying on halfnaked boys is one thing, but halfnaked girls.... Thats when shit is really going to hit the fan. Doublestandards yay?? (not really).

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  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Oh, the story has gone from one picture from one laptop to thousands of pictures from most of the laptops. I can't believe not one person in the room when this idea was conceived stood up and said "Are you out of your fucking minds!?"

    Probably because someone confused "Won't someone think of the children?" with "I'd like my own personalized soap opera, complete with nudity and pill popping."

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Oh, the story has gone from one picture from one laptop to thousands of pictures from most of the laptops. I can't believe not one person in the room when this idea was conceived stood up and said "Are you out of your fucking minds!?"

    Its going to be even funnier when you realise that probably a few of these laptops where owned by girls. Secretly spying on halfnaked boys is one thing, but halfnaked girls.... Thats when shit is really going to hit the fan. Doublestandards yay?? (not really).

    What with the Catholic scandal getting into gear, I think people can still work up a rage about sexual abuse of boys when they need to.

  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I overheard Fox News tying this into their "big government out of control" narrative this morning.

  • CognisseurCognisseur Registered User
    edited April 2010
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Oh, the story has gone from one picture from one laptop to thousands of pictures from most of the laptops. I can't believe not one person in the room when this idea was conceived stood up and said "Are you out of your fucking minds!?"

    Its going to be even funnier when you realise that probably a few of these laptops where owned by girls. Secretly spying on halfnaked boys is one thing, but halfnaked girls.... Thats when shit is really going to hit the fan. Doublestandards yay?? (not really).

    What with the Catholic scandal getting into gear, I think people can still work up a rage about sexual abuse of boys when they need to.

    I'mma go ahead and say that they can work up 10% of a rage about pictures being taken of half-naked boys versus half-naked girls. The general gist in our society is that adolescent boys are willing to have sex with any animate (or sexually suggestive inanimate) object at the drop of a pin, so any sort of sexual exploitation (like female teacher / male student sex) is totally okay.

    Things become not okay when the sexual exploitation enters other taboo domains like physical pain, homosexuality, or pedophilia. So male teacher / male student is #2 homosexuality and potentially #1 physically painful, and priest / little boy is #1 #2 and #3.

    The standards for girls, on the other hand, are totally different. They're innocent budding flowers who need to be idolized yet not fantasized about. If you look at a high-school aged girl the wrong way you're likely to become a sexual offender real soon. God forbid a male teacher has sex with a female student; he's pretty much ruined her prospects of ever finding a decent man to marry now.

    Oh wait, that double-standard IS pretty outdated and misogynistic...

  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    It is, but such is life - however when the DA cracks this open to find pictures of girls doing unladylike things to a cucumber on a teacher or administrator's computer we might actually see some prison time for once

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2010
    It is, but such is life - however when the DA cracks this open to find pictures of girls doing unladylike things to a cucumber on a teacher or administrator's computer we might actually see some prison time for once

    Wait. Trowzilla goes to that school?

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I didn't mention a salad, or parents eating it :P

    Seriously though, any chance any of these administrators become sex offenders? A hard drive full of teens gone wild would bestow that title upon any of us should law enforcement find it.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I didn't mention a salad, or parents eating it :P

    Seriously though, any chance any of these administrators become sex offenders? A hard drive full of teens gone wild would bestow that title upon any of us should law enforcement find it.

    If they found a hard drive full of naked teens, then yeah, otherwise doubtful. If the school can construe it as a purely "for the children" kind of thing, which they undoubtedly will, a jury will no doubt side with them.

  • Tw4winTw4win Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    On a semi-related note, the principal at the school where my (ex?)girlfriend teaches was caught with gay porn on his work laptop. Evidently the Vice-principal who doesn't like him broke into his office and found his stash of porn.

    You've gotta ask why a principal of a school outside of DC would need to have that at work. You've also gotta ask why the VP is breaking into the principal's office but that's another story...

    So far nothing has been done about this. Teachers suspect he won't be at that school next year.

    Also, the school has a supply budget of ~$10,000 for a year. The principal decided to spend most of that money on a end of the year gala for the students. Meanwhile teachers have to buy their own copy paper, supplies, and printer ink/toner....

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    Wow... I just... wow...

    Seriously this whole situation seems surreal to me and the question now isn't whether or not they were doing something wrong but ultimately how do you punish an entire school district of teachers/faculty. I mean do you just start from the ground up and say you're all fired and some of you are looking at some serious jail time, or do you simply replace the heads of staff (principal, vice principal, superintendent). Honestly though I can't believe not one teacher spoke out through this whole ordeal though.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited May 2010
    But they're children! Their rights need to be eliminated for their own safety!

    I really don't understand how my generation is going to develop a sense of civic duty when school administrations are hell bent on attacking their rights. I really don't.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Specter went so far as to hold a hearing near the school, where one parent insisted that warnings would be enough:
    "Bob Wegbreit said a warning might suffice to let families know the district might activate webcams without a student's knowledge. Students could then choose to keep the computers in other parts of the house, instead of their bedrooms, said Wegbreit, whose group fears the lawsuit will damage the upscale district's finances and reputation."
    What is wrong with them?

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Specter went so far as to hold a hearing near the school, where one parent insisted that warnings would be enough:
    "Bob Wegbreit said a warning might suffice to let families know the district might activate webcams without a student's knowledge. Students could then choose to keep the computers in other parts of the house, instead of their bedrooms, said Wegbreit, whose group fears the lawsuit will damage the upscale district's finances and reputation."
    What is wrong with them?

    Or maybe they could just put masking tape over the webcam? Or is that something they'd probably get detention for?

    edit: and since this guy thinks the webcam is so easy to neutralize, how does he think the software will be useful in any way for recovering stolen laptops? Which was ostensibly the entire point of all this bullshit.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Specter went so far as to hold a hearing near the school, where one parent insisted that warnings would be enough:
    "Bob Wegbreit said a warning might suffice to let families know the district might activate webcams without a student's knowledge. Students could then choose to keep the computers in other parts of the house, instead of their bedrooms, said Wegbreit, whose group fears the lawsuit will damage the upscale district's finances and reputation."
    What is wrong with them?

    Or maybe they could just put masking tape over the webcam? Or is that something they'd probably get detention for?

    edit: and since this guy thinks the webcam is so easy to neutralize, how does he think the software will be useful in any way for recovering stolen laptops? Which was ostensibly the entire point of all this bullshit.

    They most likely would get detention, I know the school had a pretty draconian computer policy set up. As to a warning though, if the school had made it clear that they could and would take pictures and otherwise monitor computer use by the kids, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem, as long as it was clear what the policy on the pictures was and their use/retention. Even then it's still an incredibly fine line to walk, one I would think any liability minded district would run like hell from.

    I think the parents are simply trying to circle the wagons here and protect their own, however misguided their attempts may be. When this first broke, there was even a contingent of district parents who were circling petitions in support of the district's penchant for photos if I remember correctly.

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    That's not new, is it? We had that "soap opera" comment earlier in the thread.

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    That's not new, is it?

    Nope.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    histronic wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    Wow... I just... wow...

    Seriously this whole situation seems surreal to me and the question now isn't whether or not they were doing something wrong but ultimately how do you punish an entire school district of teachers/faculty. I mean do you just start from the ground up and say you're all fired and some of you are looking at some serious jail time, or do you simply replace the heads of staff (principal, vice principal, superintendent). Honestly though I can't believe not one teacher spoke out through this whole ordeal though.
    I'm not sure what responsibility you think the teachers bear here.

    This was a tech thing, and it was overseen by administration. The kerplunchiks talking about it are central office, not teachers.

    Odds are the average teacher at the school had no idea this was going on.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Barrakketh wrote: »
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    That's not new, is it?

    Nope.

    Shit, I must have missed that from before. I hate being that guy.

  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Why couldn't they just use a GPS/cell tracking to locate these laptops? That seems far more useful than a webcam. I mean if you can figure out the location of the unit rather than trying to find the person who's using it -- wouldn't that be more useful than some random webcam shot that might be someone who picked this laptop up at a pawn shop?

  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    Wow... I just... wow...

    Seriously this whole situation seems surreal to me and the question now isn't whether or not they were doing something wrong but ultimately how do you punish an entire school district of teachers/faculty. I mean do you just start from the ground up and say you're all fired and some of you are looking at some serious jail time, or do you simply replace the heads of staff (principal, vice principal, superintendent). Honestly though I can't believe not one teacher spoke out through this whole ordeal though.
    I'm not sure what responsibility you think the teachers bear here.

    This was a tech thing, and it was overseen by administration. The kerplunchiks talking about it are central office, not teachers.

    Odds are the average teacher at the school had no idea this was going on.

    I don't know, I read the part where the staffer replied to the IT admin in an email saying "I know, I love it," as a teacher saying that. I guess you are right though it is feasible that none of the teachers at the school knew about it.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    histronic wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Man the more that comes out about this case, the worse it seems.

    Laptop Spy Scandal Administrator Just "Loved" Violating Students' Fourth Amendment Rights

    And now the FBI are trying to get involved due to an estimated 56k pics taken with the program, but are being stymied by a US District Judge due to an order blocking either party from disseminating their evidence to outside sources. Link

    Wow... I just... wow...

    Seriously this whole situation seems surreal to me and the question now isn't whether or not they were doing something wrong but ultimately how do you punish an entire school district of teachers/faculty. I mean do you just start from the ground up and say you're all fired and some of you are looking at some serious jail time, or do you simply replace the heads of staff (principal, vice principal, superintendent). Honestly though I can't believe not one teacher spoke out through this whole ordeal though.
    I'm not sure what responsibility you think the teachers bear here.

    This was a tech thing, and it was overseen by administration. The kerplunchiks talking about it are central office, not teachers.

    Odds are the average teacher at the school had no idea this was going on.

    I don't know, I read the part where the staffer replied to the IT admin in an email saying "I know, I love it," as a teacher saying that. I guess you are right though it is feasible that none of the teachers at the school knew about it.
    "Staffers" doesn't typically refer to teachers. It usually means administrative staff or tech staff.

    There's been absolutely no indication in any of this that the teachers knew what was happening.

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  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-08-17-laptop-spying_N.htm
    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Federal prosecutors will not file charges against a school district or its employees over the use of software to remotely monitor students.

    U.S. Attorney Zane David Memeger says investigators have found no evidence of criminal intent by Lower Merion School District employees who activated tracking software that took thousands of webcam and screenshot images on school-provided laptops.

    A student and his family sued the district in February, claiming officials invaded his privacy by activating the software. That case continues.

    The district has acknowledged capturing 56,000 screen shots and webcam images so it could locate missing laptops.

    Memeger says he decided to make Tuesday's announcement to close the matter before the start of the school year.

  • RingoRingo Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    No child porn I guess?

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