Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it,
follow these directions. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.
Our rules have been updated and given
their own forum. Go and look at them! They are nice, and there may be new ones that you didn't know about! Hooray for rules! Hooray for The System! Hooray for Conforming!
Italy, youtube, they do be crazy!
Posts
maybe you guys should try to address his actual point, which is, it's not that ridiculous to hold a service provider liable for content posted on it's site and it would be even less ridiculous if the service was used primarily for illegal goods. consider for example a shipping company that transports sex slaves in 90% of their cargo holds. it could be argued that as a service provider, they shouldnt be held liable because they arent liable for the content of their cargo holds. i think that would be a difficult argument to make though.
whatever the case, i think we all agree that the prosecution was being stupid in this case.
How exactly are gmail, google search, youtube etc. essential infrastructure? I don't gmail an ambulance in a medical emergency.
You are right. You twitter an ambulance.
The internet is fairly vital infrastructure at this point but all of the providers of services like search engines are numerous enough that there isn't much reason to regulate them as other essential infrastructure.
Youtube functions as a medium for broadcasting and receiving videos, like "airwaves" and "telecom lines" ... which are regulated.
I don't think we're there yet, but we're certainly getting there.
You're right, gmail and youtube are the only ways you can send emails or post videos on the internet :rotate:
Except in this case the minute the shipping company (ie - Google) found the pack of Malaysian preteens in it's cargo crates, it turned them over to the proper authorities.
And then the government arrested them for sex trafficing anyway.
Yar wants to make it illegal to even have a service where the possibility of shipping Malaysian hookers exists.
So, essentially, he wants to illegalise the ability of people to share information and things.
not sure what you mean when you say "regulated". are private shipping companies at the moment "regulated" in the same way that you think google should be "regulated?"
i know you're jailed so it may be hard to cite, but can you please point out where yar states anything like what you've said above?
maybe i just missed it, but i don't see it at all.
There is plenty of defamation on Youtube in the USA and there is nothing preventing a person believing themself defamed from filing a lawsuit against a Doe and then subpoenaing Youtube and down the line for information leading to the defamer. What you can't do under present law is hold Youtube responsible.
i dont agree. putting something on youtube is like publishing, so i could see libel issues arising. gossip (in its traditional form - i.e., talk) would be slander at worst and no one gives a shit about that. libel is more serious though.
Awesome. George W. Bush drinks the blood of Jews.
Yes. The person uploading the defamatory content to Youtube will meet the element of publishing. On the other hand, Youtube is off the hook.
I know you are joking and I'm repeating myself, but it is a pet peeve of mine how many people don't realize that host immunity is not the same as content creator immunity. I suspect you are safe from a libel suit for other reasons though.
The law is aimed, generally, at the average consumer. The average consumer still mostly believes that there was either a tie between Iraq/911 or that they had WMD.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING
five pages on but seriously haha what
kpop appreciation station i also like to tweet some
Despite the fact that I doubt any of us here, Yar included, saw the video let alone the page it was on and thus have no means to verify if there was anything on the page to make a profit from (i.e., an ad).
To somehow argue some form of nefariousness on Google's part in this incident comes across to me as not just foolish but waddling down the path of foolishness like a merry little goose, honking all the way.
Google was alerted to the video. They, if I understand correctly, pulled it down when it was done so.
I think What Yar wants is, as pointed out earlier, for Google to essentially pre-screen all the videos. Except for the problem of them not having the manpower to do so, not to mention all the little problems that could go along with that (Youtube would slow to a crawl, many would abandon it for someplace else less restrictive and starting the whole issue all over again, people possibly viewing the move as a path to undue corporate censorship, etc.). It essentially causes more problems for innocent users than it solves. You'd be, essentially, using a club to solve this problem when what you need is a scalpel; that scalpel being the system already in place.
As for how copyrighted works slip through the cracks while porn does so very rarely, I would imagine that, because of the porn being often flagged by users the problem arises: People want to view the copyrighted works on Youtube. It's quick and convenient, perhaps the ultimate in on-demand media service (aside from often poor quality). And this doesn't even touch on the culture of taking copyrighted things (sometimes multiple ones!) and crafting them into new things, be it AMVs, short little videos of oneself set to one's favorite song, etc. I would concede that there are arguments to be made that Google does allow on the illegitimately published copyrighted works to some degree, only stepping in when a holder complains (which, honestly, I'm fine with though wish more providers would just provide their stuff on there)
TL;DR: These abusive assholes are bastards and I hope they get the book thrown at them, Google isn't liable for their jackassery and complied with the law as far as I can tell, and Yar is advising goosery that won't make things any better in the long run.
if i recall correctly, truth is an absolute defense against libel. so yeah, couscous will be fine.
In his mind, Contra is just a video game and United Fruit is a gay boy band.
It's not that crazy, they love to sue for money. intel, MS, now google. They target big corporations and sue the crap out of them, that the EU has money problems makes it worse.
It's stupid when people here sue for a buck, and it's stupid when the EU does it.
They sued the shit out of MS and went on a rant about linux, euro designed, thus we should use it. They sued the fuck out intel, and now google.
They have a fucking history of targeting the top American companies and then taking them to court only to end up extracting money from them.
The EU is pathetic in this aspect.
It's serial behavior, Yar called a duck a duck here.
Or it's a government taking action against very large corporations that use monopolistic tactics against smaller competitors.
I mean, can you break down in detail your actual issues with the charges levied against Intel, Google, Microsoft, etc? Like, why the charges were wrongly filed, whether the evidence and testimony was fabricated, etc.
Because I bet you can't.
Yeah. I accidently posted the Just Wow in this thread after Canada scored in the hockey game. My bad.
Can you break down the amount of money the EU actually got from those cases?
Because I bet it wasn't much.
Personally I think this is nothing more than a shakedown. They need the money, the see a source, they find a totally ridiculous excuse to go after it. Given that the Italian Prime Minister basically controls a good portion of the information flow with his networks, I doubt it was hard to paint the situation like it was Google who coerced the kids into the taunting.
I'm curious to see what becomes of all this.
Simple, the EU will continue to shake down American companies after making idle threats (sure, go ahead and make an EU wide linux and run it off VIA/AMD hardware, you assholes can build your own search engine while they are at it) and then backing the fuck down. And US companies will continue to tolerate this outrages behavior because of the size of the EU market.
At least China isn't as insane as the EU.
And AMD is an American company.
Intel was for price-fixing, right?
Intel is a terrible company, and their exclusivity deal with apple makes the assumption that Microsoft is more evil than apple EXTREMELY debatable.
But, yeah. My point was exactly what you said, and that instead of trying to make this into an issue of "God look how stupid they are, they think internet is tubez olololol" they would probably do better to acknowledge the emotional nature of the situation, take at least some sort of unofficial responsibility for their part (and profit) in sensationalizing an autistic kid getting picked on, and respectfully submit their appeals, which I hope would be heard.
Also, the above point was point #3, after point #1 about the careless judicial use of the concept of "privacy" and point #2 about pathetic foreign governments who try to fleece large US corporations in shenanigans just like this.
Their what now?
You keep saying they've profited from this video, but you never say how.
And now you're saying they (Google)'ve sensationalized it.
Am I missing things here or are you making things up?
Hmmm, it seems it isn't an actual deal, but rather apple simply making all their computers on a common architecture. Either way, though, all apple computers have an intel soul now.