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Utah: Now you can go to jail for having a miscarriage!
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Obviously I'm not completely serious. But it's not like these people haven't always wanted to do this. Now it's finally out in the open for everyone to see in all of its ugly, backwards, misogynist glory. Ideally human rights simply move forward, quietly and progressively, but this is almost the next best thing (okay, there are probably a bunch of better things, but you know what I mean).
Well, yeah, if this leads to the sane people literally leaving Utah (and drawing crazy people in), then all is lost. I mean driving sane people away from supporting or voting for these people.
Only one son? I say the legislation should demand two sons from these worthless females, and make it illegal for them to read!
"A 17 year olf girl paid someone to terminate her 7 month along pregnancy"
"That's terrible and should never happen again"
"I have an idea! Let's beef up our sexual education curriculum in public schools, and get rid of that abstinance only crap that has been proved to be pretty much worthless. That way there will be fewer 17 year olds with unwanted pregnancies"
"No, we couldn't possibly do that, think of something else"
"Okay, how about we make 'planned parenthood' style services easier to access. That way the next time a 17 year old does get pregnant when she doesn't want to, it will be more likely that she will end the pregnancy earlier and safer, instead of paying a dude to beat her up.
"That doesn't work either, think harder"
"Fine. Instead of trying to prevent everything that led up to it, we'll just make it so the next time that happens we can send her to jail for it. And since we're a bunch of old white mormon guys, well make the language really broad and not think about the effect it will have on all women in the state"
"There. Done. Now, was that so hard?"
Poison the water.
Put the antidote in the booze.
Unfortunately, SLC is technically the sane part of Utah.
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
Actually, antifreeze should do the trick. In a very clumsy and not-really sort of way.
Thats why we poison all the water in the state. Putting the anitdote in booze is brillant. But we should put it in coffee and caffinated soda as well. Mormons don't drink that either. The crazies all die, and the normal people are fine. It's a flawless plan.
It is a horrible situation to me, but my first response is "she needs help" not she should spend the rest of her life in jail. Obviously the utah lawmakers disagree, but it seems like we can all agree they are silly gooses. What do you guys think is jail or some sort of counseling more appropriate?
Wait for me to leave first.
This is where all we liberals live!
In all honesty though, I don't forsee this law having any legs when it hits the courts. The representative responsible for this bill has a history of pushing through message bills fully aware that they'll get repealed at some point.
Edit: I also mentioned this bill in the state and local politics thread.
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Putting her in prison is stupid. Since she has proven to be fertile, they should find a way she can repay her debt to society. Maybe she could bear children for an infertile couple? A sort of handmaid for them, if you will.
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Before we go overboard on some of the genocidal talk, I'd just like to mention that my family (not me) is Mormon. My sister is an active Mormon, and she was actively against Proposition 8
This one, I think.
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Utah: They're just full of great ideas.
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If there were, the "natural order" opposing argument to Prop 8 wouldn't make any sense.
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I'm more concerned about the part where the exception for involuntary miscarriage only applies if they're caused by a criminally negligent act. Is there another clause that we're missing, or did a stray 'and' just criminalize every single involuntary miscarriage?
Edit: Never mind, that's handled earlier within the definition.
.... I don't know what this means.
They're both delicious?
Fetusburgers.
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let's not be barbaric
stoning it is
I mean, that might have been the causative reasoning, which I find suspect, but I don't see how it would actually help. I mean think about this: in order to prevent back-alley abortions we will imprison women who are desperate enough to try.
It's like punishing suicides with life in prison. The idea that it will be a preventative measure is insane, because the situation it attempts to prevent doesn't exist due to a lack of consequence.
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The law is most definitely aimed at women who lose a pregnancy while not directly under the care of a doctor intending to have an abortion.
The vague wording is disturbing. By the letter of this law a woman could be charged with criminal homicide for taking a drug that she needs to stay alive but has a known risk of causing a miscarriage. Think immunosuppressants for women who have had organ transplants, think some anti-psychotics, think chemo.
1) it was a knowing action
2) it wasn't criminal negligence
3) it wasn't failure to follow medical advice
It also creates miscarriage as a crime unless it falls under the exceptions. And while the exceptions should cover most instances, it is deeply disturbing to me that the base state is that having a miscarriage is a crime unless demonstrated otherwise.
Yeah, no. We're nothing like Utah, thanks.
So, has anyone kicked off the usual "mail your used tampons to the local police so they can check if you're a criminal" campaign yet? Because those are always fun.
Theoretically, this law could punish women for driving cars, since that has a much higher chance of harming a pregnancy than a glass of chablis (leaving aside the fact that there's still a lot of debate about the medical underpinnings of things like FAS).
Obligation may exist (I don't believe it extends any further than the lengths you're expected to go to to care for a live child, and that's only if you plan on completing the pregnancy), but the law is not the place to define it.
In fact, I think a lot of the "stupid laws" stories we get are directly rooted in people trying to use the legal system to regulate things that its just not built to cope with.
Just wanted to give a thumbs up for this subtle bit here.
HAHAHAHAHA, did you make that?!
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I wish I could recall the case where the court basically said that even if you assumed the fetus was a person, under no circumstances would the law compel someone to sustain the life of another person at the risk of their own health. You can't go to jail for not saving someone from drowning, so why should a woman go to jail for not 'saving' her fetus?
Making a law doesn't mean you have to monitor all pregnant women 24/7. If a woman intends to give birth to her baby, it should be illegal for a woman to endanger the fetus with alcohol, drugs, skydiving, etc. I've never heard of a woman intentionally trying to give her baby brain damage or somesuch so it must be too rare to be made into a law.
If you saw a pregnant woman drinking a beer and a joint while enjoying a tan, I would hope you have the stones to slap the can and the butt out of her hands and ask her what the fuck is her problem.
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