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Welcome to Chaos in the Old World, Fantasy Flight Games' boardgame take at Games Workshop's famous fantasy IP. In this game, players take the role of one of the four Ruinous Powers of the universe. Speaking of which, I believe this calls for some introductions.
Khorne
Khorne loves long walks on the battlefield and nights alone with the recently deceased. He enjoys handywork, and has even so constructed a throne for himself from nothing but the skulls of the living. He's always on the lookout for new blood - in the most literal sense possible - earning him the title of "The Blood God." If Khorne were a flavor of ice cream, he would be Berserk Banana.
Nurgle
The other white meat! Or in this case, possibly white pus. Nurgle, now with 300% more pestilence! This is Great Unclean One with the new Nurgle Treatment, and you won't believe it! Have you ever been traveling around, and all of a sudden you wish you had brought your horrific ailments with you? But how are you going to fit it all in your bags? Well that's easy with the new Nurgle (or as we should say, the Old Nurgle)! Watch as it spreads the epidemic over the entire countryside as you pass. And if you order now, we'll throw in this free plaguebearer. Call now!
Tzeentch
Spoiler:
Slaanesh "Working for Khorne? It's ok, I guess, but I worry about my future prospects. You know how I'm probably going to die? Not enough blood left in my neck. You know how those Slaanesh dudes over there are probably going to die? Too many orgasms.
You can see my consternation." - Khorne Thrall
As the Prince of Pain and Pleasure, some might say that Slaanesh 'goes both ways.' His followers don't quite have a 'lust for battle,' but enjoy the 'corruption' of the aristocracy. He finds subtle usurping 'invigorating,' and sometimes even so much that he just has to release his 'keeper of secrets.'
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This will be a Play-By-Post game of Chaos in the Old World. It will give priority to those who have not yet played the game, but if you have played, please feel free to sign up. I may purposefully include a veteran in the game to keep it moving more smoothly, for instance.
Please, sign up, announce interest, and declare which Ruinous Power you'd prefer to play.
From Rend: A QUICK TUTORIAL ON CHAOS IN THE OLD WORLD
-The Turn Phases-
The Old World Phase
Spoiler:
This phase is much like the crisis phase in BSG, the infection phase in Pandemic, or the "Bad Stuff" phase in any cooperative board game. Except this game isn't so much "cooperative" as it is "petty". Each turn, events will take place in the old world, and this is when they happen.
Every turn one old world card will be drawn, and its effects will be resolved. If there are any choices to be made, the power with the least threat will make those choices. (Threat is determined by who has advanced their victory dial the farthest)
Note: There are only 7 cards in the Old World deck. If the cards have been exhausted, the game ends at the end of the turn. If nobody has achieved a victory condition, the Old World has won- and all players lose.
The Draw Phase
Spoiler:
During this phase, each power draws 2 cards, except Tzeentch. Tzeentch draws his hand up to 5. Also, this is when each player refreshes their Power Points to however many applicable.
The Summoning Phase
Spoiler:
This phase always starts with Khorne, and goes:
Khorne
Nurgle
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
Starting with Khorne, each player may either summon 1 figure or play 1 chaos card. In order to do so, you spend Power Points. The cost for figures is the circled value on your power's card. Then there are also attack and defend stats, which will be explained in further detail in The Battle Phase.
Chaos Cards each have a cost directly following their name in your Google Doc. Additionally, if the cost of your card is followed by M, that means there is a magic symbol on it. If you play that card onto a region, that region gains 1 magic symbol.
Chaos cards are played directly onto one of the nine regions. Each region only has room for 2 cards, but they are cleared at the end phase after all effects are resolved.
If a player chooses neither to summon nor play a card, he passes and his power points go to 0. He may not play again this phase.
Additionally, if a player reaches 0 power points for ANY REASON, they may not play again this phase, EVEN IF THAT PLAYER HAS 0-cost cards or effects. Once you reach 0 power points, you are out of the turn phase, and are skipped until the next turn.
If you have no figures on the board, figures may be summoned to any region. If you have at least one figure on the board, you must summon to that region or an adjacent region. Figures may be summoned either from your reinforcements, OR from the board itself. There is no discount for summoning figures from the board, it simply allows you to move figures instead of summoning new ones if you wish. You may summon a figure from a region in order to place him in an adjacent region even if none of your other figures are adjacent to that region (ie, a single figure can "walk" across the entire map alone).
The Battle Phase
Spoiler:
In this phase, dice are rolled. All combat is considered simultaneous, however, hits are chosen in the Order of Play (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh). Each figure with at least 1 attack power rolls a number of dice equal to that attack power. Any dice of 4 or better are hits. The player then designates those hits among any enemy figures in the region.
You may not allocate more hits than necessary to kill an opponent.
You must allocate all hits.
Any figures which are killed will die at the end of the phase. However, unless the hits which killed it happened before normal dice are rolled, they may still return fire.
The Corruption Phase
Spoiler:
The Corruption Phase takes place in 2 steps. Domination, and Ruination
In the Domination step, each player's domination value is calculated for each region. This value is equal to the PP cost of any chaos cards that player has played on the region, plus the number of figures (number, not attack power) that player has in the region. If this number exceeds the region's resistance (which is the number by the region's name), and that player has the highest domination score, that player dominates the region and gains Victory Points equal to the region's number.
If two players are tied for first, or if the top player is tied with the region's resistance, no VPs are awarded. Additionally, no VPs are awarded for ruined regions.
In the Ruination step, each cultist a player has in a region adds one Corruption Counter to that region. If a region should reach 12 or more corruption counters, it then becomes ruined.
When a region becomes ruined, it indicates that the Chaos has taken it over so completely that it is no longer even recognizable. It is now a hellish, daemonic wasteland. First, one of the 5 ruination cards is flipped (the cards go in order, so the values are the same from game to game). Each player who put a corruption counter on the region THE TURN IT WAS RUINED gains a small amount of VPs instantaneously, decided by the card. Then, the player with the most and the second most Corruption in the area gain a large lump sum of VPs as well. After the region is ruined, NO VPs will EVER come of the region again.
If two players are tied for first, they add the first and second place values together and split them. If two players are tied for second, they split second place. If there is no second place, and only one player has counters, the second place VPs are wasted.
If, at the end of the turn, all 5 Ruination cards have been flipped, the game ends and the player with the most VPs wins the game.
The End Phase
Spoiler:
During the end phase:
1. Remove Chaos Cards from the Board
2. Hero Tokens are resolved - meaning that in any region with a hero token, the daemon with the highest threat in that region must sacrifice one figure, as the hero kills it.
3. Resolve Old World cards - If a card on the Old World track asks for a resolution during the end phase, this is when it happens.
4. Score Ruined Regions - this is the step when ruination is scored, as opposed to the corruption phase.
5. Advance Threat Dials - If you have fulfilled your victory dial condition at least once, you turn your dial one click. If you have fulfilled your condition more times this turn than any other player, you turn your dial two clicks. This dial gives various rewards, including Upgrades, VPs, and control of the tokens on the board.
6. Check for Game end
The game end conditions are checked one at a time, in this order:
Dial Victory
Victory Point Victory
All 5 ruination cards drawn (most VPs wins)
No cards in the Old World deck (All players lose)
In the case of a dial victory tie, the player with most VPs wins. If they are tied, the victory is shared.
In the case of a VP victory tie, the player with the highest threat wins.
How do I gain victory points?
Spoiler:
Gain victory points in 4 ways:
1. Dominating regions at the end of the battle phase
2. Helping to ruin regions by placing corruption counters on them
3. Ruining regions and having most or second most counters on the region
4. Sometimes, by advancing your victory dial
The most reliable points come from Domination, while the quickest points come from ruining regions.
How do I advance my dial?
Spoiler:
KHORNE: Gain 1 advancement token for each region in which you kill an opposing player's model this turn
NURGLE: Gain 1 advancement token each time you place 2 or more corruption counters in a populous region in a single phase
TZEENTCH: Gain 1 advancement token for each region with 2 or more magic and/or warpstone tokens in which you placed 2 corruption counters with cultists this turn.
SLAANESH: Gain 1 advancement token for each region with at least 1 hero or noble in which you placed 2 corruption counters with cultists this turn.
Every player with at least 1 token gains 1 click on the victory dial. Each turn the player who gained the most tokens this turn gains an additional click on the victory dial. In the case of a tie, neither player gets 2 clicks.
Upgrades:
Power of Blood - +1 PP per turn
Deluge of Ferocity - Draw 3 cards instead of 2 each turn
Bloodsworn - Stats: (1/1/1)
Bloodletters - Bloodletters strike first and inflict casualties before opponents return fire
Bloodthirster - Counts as 3 figures for domination value
Nurgle Upgrades:
Spoiler:
Power of Pestilence - +1 PP per turn
Provender of Ruin - Score 3 VP each time a region is ruined
Lepers - A Leper's cost is 0 if placed in a region where you have no other figures. A given leper may only be summoned for free once per round.
Plaguebearers - When an opponent kills one of your plaguebearers in battle, inflict one hit on any figure in the same region belonging to that opponent
Great Unclean One - Immediately place two corruption tokens in a region when you summon a Great Unclean One there
Tzeentch Upgrades:
Spoiler:
Power of Magic - +1 PP per turn
Deluge of Magic - Draw to 6 cards per turn instead of 5
Acolytes - When summoned from the board instead of your stockpile, an Acolyte may bring a Warpstone token if present from its origin to its destination
Horrors - When you summon a horror, you may place it on an empty card slot in that region. Only you may play cards to that slot while the horror remains.
Lord of Change - A Lord of Change has 2 magic symbols.
Slaanesh Upgrades:
Spoiler:
Power of Pain - +1 PP per turn. If you have power of pain and power of pleasure, total +3
Power of Pleasure - +1 PP per turn. If you have power of pain and power of pleasure, total +3
Seductress - New stats (1/0/2)
Daemonettes - In battle, Daemonettes can only be hit on a die result of 6
Keeper of Secrets - At the beginning of the battle phase, choose any cultist or warrior in this region. Control it until the end of the round or until your keeper of secrets is killed, whichever comes first.
Hey guys, helpful IC tidbit here.
Roll Xd6.hitsopen(4,6). It'll reroll 6s and then count all the dice 4 and above and give you a convenient number of hits.
Alternatively, you can make battle rolls via orokos (thanks, Infidel!)
I made a table for expected results up to 6 battle dice. Cells without values have probabilities below 0.1%. There is some rounding, so the values won't be exact, but they'll be close enough for most purposes.
Darian has a held spot for his role as host of six games. I also have a list of previous sign-ups, so if you haven't gotten to play you're probably on the list. However, recruiting is open and will be randomized!
!sign up
Read through and watched a few games so far, so I think I have an idea of how to play and strategy. Slaanesh, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle in that order, but any is fine.
One thing I haven't understood is what regions count as being adjacent to each other? Like, from the maps it looks like Estalia is adjacent to only Brettonia and Tilea, but I've seen moves like summoning from Estalia to Empire or Badlands.
Out of the country April 14 - May 5. May not respond to threads in that time.
One thing I haven't understood is what regions count as being adjacent to each other? Like, from the maps it looks like Estalia is adjacent to only Brettonia and Tilea, but I've seen moves like summoning from Estalia to Empire or Badlands.
I think I can help there- You can move to any region that is adjacent to one of your figures.
So you can move from one end of the map to the other, so long as you have a figure adjacent to (or in) the region you're moving to. Or just adjacent to the one your figure is moving from.
I had trouble with that too, at first. There's only two rules to follow with regards to summoning;
1) You can only summon figures to regions you already have figures in or regions adjacent to those you have figures in.
2) Move and Summon are interchangeable for basically all purposes.
So if you only have a figure in Estalia, you can only summon figures there or Bretonnia or Tilea. But if you have a figure in Estalia and another in Norsca, you can move the figure from Estalia to Norsca, or vice versa, or Estalia to Troll Country, etc etc.
OK, but to get the figures in both Estalia and Norsca in the first place, you'd need either a Teleport or some link between the two, correct? You couldn't just turn 1 summon Estalia, turn 2 summon Norsca? Thus it makes sense to begin summoning in places like Border Princes or Brettonia, since they're most connected?
Out of the country April 14 - May 5. May not respond to threads in that time.
OK, but to get the figures in both Estalia and Norsca in the first place, you'd need either a Teleport or some link between the two, correct? You couldn't just turn 1 summon Estalia, turn 2 summon Norsca? Thus it makes sense to begin summoning in places like Border Princes or Brettonia, since they're most connected?
OK, but to get the figures in both Estalia and Norsca in the first place, you'd need either a Teleport or some link between the two, correct? You couldn't just turn 1 summon Estalia, turn 2 summon Norsca? Thus it makes sense to begin summoning in places like Border Princes or Brettonia, since they're most connected?
All of this depends on strategy, and which god you are.
By the end of the game, you'll likely have figures all over the map. How quickly you get there is up to you.
This game looks really really fun, especially when catching up on past games. I'd sign up but looks like the recent two games are pretty much already filled.
!Signing up, prefer Tzeentch. I have the board game next to me so if I do play I'd happily play out my opponents moves on the board to help my poor brain.
Yeah... I'd be tempted to run with all new people, but Darian deserves a spot so that throws that off. If anyone else starts hosting, they should do newbies-only signups.
I just got done hosting a PbP, though it didn't require a lot of dedication, I realize I don't have the time or patience to do a larger scale game like this. Else I would.
Yeah... I'd be tempted to run with all new people, but Darian deserves a spot so that throws that off. If anyone else starts hosting, they should do newbies-only signups.
As stated above, I can sit this one out if we want to run a newb game. I get to play this every couple of weeks on Friday night, so I'll be okay.
Also, I think Nought said he might be able to start up a third concurrent game, so you could pass the failed sign-ups on to him.
I'd be willing to put some time and effort into learning how to run a game for our European brethren. I'd just need somebody to point me towards wherever I can educate myself on the matter.
I'd be willing to put some time and effort into learning how to run a game for our European brethren. I'd just need somebody to point me towards wherever I can educate myself on the matter.
*points at Darian*
I kid. I kid.
It's really simple. If you've ever worked with layers in Gimp and spreadsheets in Google Docs, you're 100% of the way there. If you haven't, it takes a few hours of fiddling.
If you PM me an e-mail address I'll send you the Gimp file and share the docs from an old game.
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-The Turn Phases-
The Old World Phase
Every turn one old world card will be drawn, and its effects will be resolved. If there are any choices to be made, the power with the least threat will make those choices. (Threat is determined by who has advanced their victory dial the farthest)
Note: There are only 7 cards in the Old World deck. If the cards have been exhausted, the game ends at the end of the turn. If nobody has achieved a victory condition, the Old World has won- and all players lose.
The Draw Phase
The Summoning Phase
Khorne
Nurgle
Tzeentch
Slaanesh
Starting with Khorne, each player may either summon 1 figure or play 1 chaos card. In order to do so, you spend Power Points. The cost for figures is the circled value on your power's card. Then there are also attack and defend stats, which will be explained in further detail in The Battle Phase.
Chaos Cards each have a cost directly following their name in your Google Doc. Additionally, if the cost of your card is followed by M, that means there is a magic symbol on it. If you play that card onto a region, that region gains 1 magic symbol.
Chaos cards are played directly onto one of the nine regions. Each region only has room for 2 cards, but they are cleared at the end phase after all effects are resolved.
If a player chooses neither to summon nor play a card, he passes and his power points go to 0. He may not play again this phase.
Additionally, if a player reaches 0 power points for ANY REASON, they may not play again this phase, EVEN IF THAT PLAYER HAS 0-cost cards or effects. Once you reach 0 power points, you are out of the turn phase, and are skipped until the next turn.
If you have no figures on the board, figures may be summoned to any region. If you have at least one figure on the board, you must summon to that region or an adjacent region. Figures may be summoned either from your reinforcements, OR from the board itself. There is no discount for summoning figures from the board, it simply allows you to move figures instead of summoning new ones if you wish. You may summon a figure from a region in order to place him in an adjacent region even if none of your other figures are adjacent to that region (ie, a single figure can "walk" across the entire map alone).
The Battle Phase
You may not allocate more hits than necessary to kill an opponent.
You must allocate all hits.
Any figures which are killed will die at the end of the phase. However, unless the hits which killed it happened before normal dice are rolled, they may still return fire.
The Corruption Phase
In the Domination step, each player's domination value is calculated for each region. This value is equal to the PP cost of any chaos cards that player has played on the region, plus the number of figures (number, not attack power) that player has in the region. If this number exceeds the region's resistance (which is the number by the region's name), and that player has the highest domination score, that player dominates the region and gains Victory Points equal to the region's number.
If two players are tied for first, or if the top player is tied with the region's resistance, no VPs are awarded. Additionally, no VPs are awarded for ruined regions.
In the Ruination step, each cultist a player has in a region adds one Corruption Counter to that region. If a region should reach 12 or more corruption counters, it then becomes ruined.
When a region becomes ruined, it indicates that the Chaos has taken it over so completely that it is no longer even recognizable. It is now a hellish, daemonic wasteland. First, one of the 5 ruination cards is flipped (the cards go in order, so the values are the same from game to game). Each player who put a corruption counter on the region THE TURN IT WAS RUINED gains a small amount of VPs instantaneously, decided by the card. Then, the player with the most and the second most Corruption in the area gain a large lump sum of VPs as well. After the region is ruined, NO VPs will EVER come of the region again.
If two players are tied for first, they add the first and second place values together and split them. If two players are tied for second, they split second place. If there is no second place, and only one player has counters, the second place VPs are wasted.
If, at the end of the turn, all 5 Ruination cards have been flipped, the game ends and the player with the most VPs wins the game.
The End Phase
1. Remove Chaos Cards from the Board
2. Hero Tokens are resolved - meaning that in any region with a hero token, the daemon with the highest threat in that region must sacrifice one figure, as the hero kills it.
3. Resolve Old World cards - If a card on the Old World track asks for a resolution during the end phase, this is when it happens.
4. Score Ruined Regions - this is the step when ruination is scored, as opposed to the corruption phase.
5. Advance Threat Dials - If you have fulfilled your victory dial condition at least once, you turn your dial one click. If you have fulfilled your condition more times this turn than any other player, you turn your dial two clicks. This dial gives various rewards, including Upgrades, VPs, and control of the tokens on the board.
6. Check for Game end
The game end conditions are checked one at a time, in this order:
Dial Victory
Victory Point Victory
All 5 ruination cards drawn (most VPs wins)
No cards in the Old World deck (All players lose)
In the case of a dial victory tie, the player with most VPs wins. If they are tied, the victory is shared.
In the case of a VP victory tie, the player with the highest threat wins.
How do I gain victory points?
1. Dominating regions at the end of the battle phase
2. Helping to ruin regions by placing corruption counters on them
3. Ruining regions and having most or second most counters on the region
4. Sometimes, by advancing your victory dial
The most reliable points come from Domination, while the quickest points come from ruining regions.
How do I advance my dial?
NURGLE: Gain 1 advancement token each time you place 2 or more corruption counters in a populous region in a single phase
TZEENTCH: Gain 1 advancement token for each region with 2 or more magic and/or warpstone tokens in which you placed 2 corruption counters with cultists this turn.
SLAANESH: Gain 1 advancement token for each region with at least 1 hero or noble in which you placed 2 corruption counters with cultists this turn.
Every player with at least 1 token gains 1 click on the victory dial. Each turn the player who gained the most tokens this turn gains an additional click on the victory dial. In the case of a tie, neither player gets 2 clicks.
How do I...
STANDARD REGION ORDER
2. Troll Country
3. Kislev
4. The Empire
5. Bretonnia
6. Estalia
7. Tilea
8. The Border Princes
9. The Badlands
PLAYER MATS:
Khorne
Errata: Dial advancement for two corruption, not one.
DIAL ADVANCEMENT BONUSES:
Nurgle: 10 clicks
Tzeentch: 8 clicks
Slaanesh: 7 clicks
AVAILABLE UPGRADES:
Khorne Upgrades:
Power of Blood - +1 PP per turn
Deluge of Ferocity - Draw 3 cards instead of 2 each turn
Bloodsworn - Stats: (1/1/1)
Bloodletters - Bloodletters strike first and inflict casualties before opponents return fire
Bloodthirster - Counts as 3 figures for domination value
Nurgle Upgrades:
Provender of Ruin - Score 3 VP each time a region is ruined
Lepers - A Leper's cost is 0 if placed in a region where you have no other figures. A given leper may only be summoned for free once per round.
Plaguebearers - When an opponent kills one of your plaguebearers in battle, inflict one hit on any figure in the same region belonging to that opponent
Great Unclean One - Immediately place two corruption tokens in a region when you summon a Great Unclean One there
Tzeentch Upgrades:
Deluge of Magic - Draw to 6 cards per turn instead of 5
Acolytes - When summoned from the board instead of your stockpile, an Acolyte may bring a Warpstone token if present from its origin to its destination
Horrors - When you summon a horror, you may place it on an empty card slot in that region. Only you may play cards to that slot while the horror remains.
Lord of Change - A Lord of Change has 2 magic symbols.
Slaanesh Upgrades:
Power of Pleasure - +1 PP per turn. If you have power of pain and power of pleasure, total +3
Seductress - New stats (1/0/2)
Daemonettes - In battle, Daemonettes can only be hit on a die result of 6
Keeper of Secrets - At the beginning of the battle phase, choose any cultist or warrior in this region. Control it until the end of the round or until your keeper of secrets is killed, whichever comes first.
HOW TO MAKE A BATTLE ROLL:
Alternatively, you can make battle rolls via orokos (thanks, Infidel!)
Battle dice probabilities:
I do believe I'd prefer Khorne or Nurgle at this point.
I'd prefer Khorne or Nurgle as well, but I'm flexible. I also promise not to be as stupid as in our last game.
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Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle or Slaanesh in that order.
Random is fine, but I haven't played Tzeentch yet, so that'd be awesome.
Read through and watched a few games so far, so I think I have an idea of how to play and strategy.
Slaanesh, Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle in that order, but any is fine.
One thing I haven't understood is what regions count as being adjacent to each other? Like, from the maps it looks like Estalia is adjacent to only Brettonia and Tilea, but I've seen moves like summoning from Estalia to Empire or Badlands.
Aidan Twosouls, Dwarf Shaman, in Vale of Buried Shadows
I think I can help there- You can move to any region that is adjacent to one of your figures.
So you can move from one end of the map to the other, so long as you have a figure adjacent to (or in) the region you're moving to. Or just adjacent to the one your figure is moving from.
1) You can only summon figures to regions you already have figures in or regions adjacent to those you have figures in.
2) Move and Summon are interchangeable for basically all purposes.
So if you only have a figure in Estalia, you can only summon figures there or Bretonnia or Tilea. But if you have a figure in Estalia and another in Norsca, you can move the figure from Estalia to Norsca, or vice versa, or Estalia to Troll Country, etc etc.
Aidan Twosouls, Dwarf Shaman, in Vale of Buried Shadows
Correct.
All of this depends on strategy, and which god you are.
By the end of the game, you'll likely have figures all over the map. How quickly you get there is up to you.
I can sit one out if we have a bunch of brand new players, but I do enjoy playing.
Come talk about boardgames with us
Never played but I'm into 40k stuff so I have a concept for the gods. I've skimmed the rules and I'll look at older games to get a feel for it.
Order of preference is Tzeentch, Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh
Might try for it again after the do-over game 6/8. You'll have a slot for sure.
Come talk about boardgames with us
No god preferance.
Although if I get Slaanesh I might fuck it up. Well any god I might since I've only played 3ish times.
Nurgle and Tzeentch are appealing
Aidan Twosouls, Dwarf Shaman, in Vale of Buried Shadows
Just sayin'.
As stated above, I can sit this one out if we want to run a newb game. I get to play this every couple of weeks on Friday night, so I'll be okay.
Also, I think Nought said he might be able to start up a third concurrent game, so you could pass the failed sign-ups on to him.
Come talk about boardgames with us
*points at Darian*
I kid. I kid.
It's really simple. If you've ever worked with layers in Gimp and spreadsheets in Google Docs, you're 100% of the way there. If you haven't, it takes a few hours of fiddling.
If you PM me an e-mail address I'll send you the Gimp file and share the docs from an old game.
IOS Game Center ID: Isotope-X
Ditto here- yay!
Aidan Twosouls, Dwarf Shaman, in Vale of Buried Shadows