must be a loyal Jack or Samara to maintain the anti-swarm field. Any other character will drop the shield at the last second and one of your two teammates will be eaten as a result. In my first run I chose Thane as my biotic, and that cost me Garrus.
Ahhhh
Miranda was my biotic, damn
Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
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Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
Yup.
Altho, in my first run, I had no idea just how many of those "decision points" lay in front of me, and since I had already lost Jacob by sending him down the pipe, I was afraid that choosing a squadmate for assignment was a death sentence. And, foreseeing a very difficult boss fight at the end, I wanted to save my best squad members for that battle, so by process of elimination Thane got the biotic assignment since I figured that I could afford to lose him but wanted to save Jack and Samara for later.
Needless to say, my thinkin' was off a bit, since Thane survived as biotic but the swarms chewed up Garrus, one of my favorites.
must be a loyal Jack or Samara to maintain the anti-swarm field. Any other character will drop the shield at the last second and one of your two teammates will be eaten as a result. In my first run I chose Thane as my biotic, and that cost me Garrus.
Ahhhh
Miranda was my biotic, damn
Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
When it came to the suicide mission:
Always pick the "pure" characters for each role. Never hybrids. Miranda is a hybrid. Jacob is a hybrid.
I got lucky with my choices and had my entire team survive, but that's because I basically wanted to pick who I thought would be best for the job, not who I liked necessarily. For example, I picked Garrus to lead the fire team each time, because he's got a shitload of experience and also he survived a massive onslaught of mercs as Archangel. He was a logical choice.
Similarly, for the biotic specialist, I picked Samara because she's a powerful biotic and also she has huge tits. I didn't pick Jack because she's got small tits, although as a biotic she's equally qualified.
For the engineering specialist, I went with Tali, because Tali is the best and I knew she wouldn't let me down.
For the final stand, I took Miranda and Tali in with me and I left all of my strongest and most powerful fighters at the door. It just made sense to do it that way.
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Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
Yup.
Altho, in my first run, I had no idea just how many of those "decision points" lay in front of me, and since I had already lost Jacob by sending him down the pipe, I was afraid that choosing a squadmate for assignment was a death sentence. And, foreseeing a very difficult boss fight at the end, I wanted to save my best squad members for that battle, so by process of elimination Thane got the biotic assignment since I figured that I could afford to lose him but wanted to save Jack and Samara for later.
Needless to say, my thinkin' was off a bit, since Thane survived as biotic but the swarms chewed up Garrus, one of my favorites.
Messing up the first decision will definitely shake your confidence and make you second-guess especially with you favorite squaddies.
Luckily for me, I did every loyalty mission because, I loved the game and wanted to play as much as I can and I didn't trust TIM for shit after the Collector ship so I was getting everything done first.
I figured Tali would good in vents because my Shepard trusted Tali implicitly, hell every time I beat Saren she was in my party. Garrus was on the Fire team because knowing commando movie cliches he's not gonna lose another squad. Samara for biotics because of the above reasons and Miranda for the second fire team because she was so disappointed the first time and she's effectively my XO.
I almost sent Garrus through vents, though. So it could've gone disastrously wrong for me.
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I never put Miranda in charge of anything. She isn't nearly as qualified as she thinks she is. Plus I put her in my party most of the time so I could stare at that sweet ass of hers.
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Yeah. I know my brother also fucked up his final mission because he didn't want to send people he liked to do certain jobs.
That didn't work for me, I sent whoever I thought was best to do whatever job, personal feelings aside. Just seemed like the commander type thing to do.
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I never put Miranda in charge of anything. She isn't nearly as qualified as she thinks she is. Plus I put her in my party most of the time so I could stare at that sweet ass of hers.
Yeah, but she's got PLOT ARMOR, which is why she can wear a navel hugging catsuit into a firefight.
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"Grip 'em up, grip 'em, grip 'em good, said the Gryphon... to the pig."
must be a loyal Jack or Samara to maintain the anti-swarm field. Any other character will drop the shield at the last second and one of your two teammates will be eaten as a result. In my first run I chose Thane as my biotic, and that cost me Garrus.
Ahhhh
Miranda was my biotic, damn
Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
When it came to the suicide mission:
Always pick the "pure" characters for each role. Never hybrids. Miranda is a hybrid. Jacob is a hybrid.
I got lucky with my choices and had my entire team survive, but that's because I basically wanted to pick who I thought would be best for the job, not who I liked necessarily. For example, I picked Garrus to lead the fire team each time, because he's got a shitload of experience and also he survived a massive onslaught of mercs as Archangel. He was a logical choice.
Similarly, for the biotic specialist, I picked Samara because she's a powerful biotic and also she has huge tits. I didn't pick Jack because she's got small tits, although as a biotic she's equally qualified.
For the engineering specialist, I went with Tali, because Tali is the best and I knew she wouldn't let me down.
For the final stand, I took Miranda and Tali in with me and I left all of my strongest and most powerful fighters at the door. It just made sense to do it that way.
The only person who died for me was legion when we were trying to close that jammed door. How could I have stopped him from dieing? I sent him down the tube, but he died after that, soo... And I had everybody loyal. I read somewhere that you need to be either full paragon or full renegade to have everybody survive, so did he just die arbitrarily because I didn't meet that condition?
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You send the qualified people to the correct job, emotions cannot get in the way and your opinions outrank your squadmates' opinions
Exactly. I was hesitant to send Tali to do anything because Shepard was hittin' that, but you know what Shepard respects her damnit and she's got a job to do.
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must be a loyal Jack or Samara to maintain the anti-swarm field. Any other character will drop the shield at the last second and one of your two teammates will be eaten as a result. In my first run I chose Thane as my biotic, and that cost me Garrus.
Ahhhh
Miranda was my biotic, damn
Yeah, some of the decisions can be a little cryptic, but if you think about it they make a lot of sense. Like the Biotics, Jack is who she is at all because she may be the most powerful human biotic Shepard has encountered, and Samara is an Asari a species completely reliant on their biotics to survive and procreate, and she's a Acetic Templar Knight that other Asari shit their pants in sight of, so yeah, most everyone can survive if you just think about the characters.
When it came to the suicide mission:
Always pick the "pure" characters for each role. Never hybrids. Miranda is a hybrid. Jacob is a hybrid.
I got lucky with my choices and had my entire team survive, but that's because I basically wanted to pick who I thought would be best for the job, not who I liked necessarily. For example, I picked Garrus to lead the fire team each time, because he's got a shitload of experience and also he survived a massive onslaught of mercs as Archangel. He was a logical choice.
Similarly, for the biotic specialist, I picked Samara because she's a powerful biotic and also she has huge tits. I didn't pick Jack because she's got small tits, although as a biotic she's equally qualified.
For the engineering specialist, I went with Tali, because Tali is the best and I knew she wouldn't let me down.
For the final stand, I took Miranda and Tali in with me and I left all of my strongest and most powerful fighters at the door. It just made sense to do it that way.
The only person who died for me was legion when we were trying to close that jammed door. How could I have stopped him from dieing? I sent him down the tube, but he died after that, soo... And I had everybody loyal. I read somewhere that you need to be either full paragon or full renegade to have everybody survive, so did he just die arbitrarily because I didn't meet that condition?
Fire Squad leader. Garrus, Miranda or Jacob.
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If you know anyone who's been holding out: Amazon deal of the day. 30 bucks for PC, 40 for 360.
Tell your friends! It's worth so much more. 8-)
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Love. You can know all the math in the 'Verse, but take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells ya she's hurtin' 'fore she keels. Makes her home.
That's because they aren't Commander "fucking" Shepard, two-time savior of the galaxy.
And when Shepard is ordered to recruit one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy and a tactical genius who led a team that decimated the three largest mercenary groups, he does not worry about his buddy Garrus breaking a nail.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
I never put Miranda in charge of anything. She isn't nearly as qualified as she thinks she is. Plus I put her in my party most of the time so I could stare at that sweet ass of hers.
Plus, as I've mentioned before,
the game has taught you to seriously question Miranda's judgment since EVERY decision which she makes before the Suicide Mission is wrong. Every single danged one. So that must mean that, in opposite world, if Miranda thinks Jacob is all wrong to go down the pipe he must be the best choice, right ? Plus, Jake has warned you quite clearly that the person going down the pipe is gonna die, so why should I send sweet little Tali to certain death ? Sorry, Jacob, but you must know by now that in all science fiction movies the black guy dies first.
I keep waiting for one of the side missions to replicate a building or setting or, hell, ANYTHING, yet it just keeps throwing new stuff at me. (As opposed to ME1, which seemed to recycle the same two buildings for every single damn sidequest.) Color me impressed.
And that unexpected sequence where
you play as Joker as the Collectors are going absolutely apeshit on the Normandy. Simple and easy to get through from a gameplay perspective, but seeing crew members get waxed as you limp past and the shadows of Collectors moving around you damn near gave me a heart attack. In a good way. Now walking through the empty corridors of the Normandy makes me want to crush those damn bugs into goo. Seriously affected me to the point that I don't want to keep making the crew members happy with their loyalty mission crap, I want revenge.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
I never put Miranda in charge of anything. She isn't nearly as qualified as she thinks she is. Plus I put her in my party most of the time so I could stare at that sweet ass of hers.
Plus, as I've mentioned before,
the game has taught you to seriously question Miranda's judgment since EVERY decision which she makes before the Suicide Mission is wrong. Every single danged one. So that must mean that, in opposite world, if Miranda thinks Jacob is all wrong to go down the pipe he must be the best choice, right ? Plus, Jake has warned you quite clearly that the person going down the pipe is gonna die, so why should I send sweet little Tali to certain death ? Sorry, Jacob, but you must know by now that in all science fiction movies the black guy dies first.
you send Tali to a possible death because she is really good at tech and will open the door
sweet Tali doesn't do you any good if Jacob, who knows no tech, can't get the door open and you fail the suicide mission, or gets more people killed
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
I keep waiting for one of the side missions to replicate a building or setting or, hell, ANYTHING, yet it just keeps throwing new stuff at me. (As opposed to ME1, which seemed to recycle the same two buildings for every single damn sidequest.) Color me impressed.
And that unexpected sequence where
you play as Joker as the Collectors are going absolutely apeshit on the Normandy. Simple and easy to get through from a gameplay perspective, but seeing crew members get waxed as you limp past and the shadows of Collectors moving around you damn near gave me a heart attack. In a good way. Now walking through the empty corridors of the Normandy makes me want to crush those damn bugs into goo. Seriously affected me to the point that I don't want to keep making the crew members happy with their loyalty mission crap, I want revenge.
Did you know that it's possible to fail
the Joker mission ? If you move too quickly in one spot or too slowly in another, a Collector notices you, generates a REALLY REALLY REALLY scary cinematic, and it's goodnite Joker.
That's because they aren't Commander "fucking" Shepard, two-time savior of the galaxy.
And when Shepard is ordered to recruit one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy and a tactical genius who led a team that decimated the three largest mercenary groups, he does not worry about his buddy Garrus breaking a nail.
Yeah. Most of the choices were no-brainers anyway.
"Shepard...send a tech expert down the shaft!"
Oh, I could send Jacob...the guy who has not been shown to have any tech expertise whatsoever. Or I could sent this walking supercomputer or the chick whose race is responsible for this walking supercomputer being created.
"Shepard...send a biotic to make a biotic forcefield!"
Oh, I could send Miranda, Thane, or Jacob. Or I could send this Asari Matriarch or the Biotic prodigy.
"Shepard...send someone to lead the troops!"
Hmm...didn't Garrus go head to head with three of the galaxy's biggest merc groups for months on end with a 12 man squad? Yeah, I think he can hold off some bugs for a couple of minutes.
I keep waiting for one of the side missions to replicate a building or setting or, hell, ANYTHING, yet it just keeps throwing new stuff at me. (As opposed to ME1, which seemed to recycle the same two buildings for every single damn sidequest.) Color me impressed.
And that unexpected sequence where
you play as Joker as the Collectors are going absolutely apeshit on the Normandy. Simple and easy to get through from a gameplay perspective, but seeing crew members get waxed as you limp past and the shadows of Collectors moving around you damn near gave me a heart attack. In a good way. Now walking through the empty corridors of the Normandy makes me want to crush those damn bugs into goo. Seriously affected me to the point that I don't want to keep making the crew members happy with their loyalty mission crap, I want revenge.
Did you know that it's possible to fail
the Joker mission ? If you move too quickly in one spot or too slowly in another, a Collector notices you, generates a REALLY REALLY REALLY scary cinematic, and it's goodnite Joker.
Yeah, happened to me once and I just about jumped out of my skin. I haven't been this emotionally affected by a video game in a long, long time.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
edited March 2010
What's interesting is that in my first run
Miranda was my only non-Loyal member and she did not die defending the backdoor, even tho one of the real studs, Garrus, was dead, and I hadn't loaded another, Zaeed. Given the developers math, I should at least have lost Miranda but did not. I guess Grunt was up to his waist in dead Collectors and begging for more.
Then, when I replayed the Suicide Mission and made better assignment decisions, Miranda died at the backdoor ever time. Odd, no ?
Miranda was my only non-Loyal member and she did not die defending the backdoor, even tho one of the real studs, Garrus, was dead, and I hadn't loaded another, Zaeed. Given the developers math, I should at least have lost Miranda but did not. I guess Grunt was up to his waist in dead Collectors and begging for more.
Then, when I replayed the Suicide Mission and made better assignment decisions, Miranda died at the backdoor ever time. Odd, no ?
Did you switch up your selection for the final battle? Even an unloyal Grunt still has a better chance of survival than someone like loyal Mordin.
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Did you switch up your selection for the final battle? Even an unloyal Grunt still has a better chance of survival than someone like loyal Mordin.
I tried several different combos-- I love the Suicide Mission, it may be the best 90 minutes in all videogaming--
but Miranda, and only Miranda, died every time. As the only non-loyal squadmate, I think the backdoor math was unavoidable.
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The longer it takes to beat the boss, the more likely it is someone will die. I suspect there's a chance every time Harbinger shows up. And I know it took me longer on my third playthrough because (a) it was harder difficulty and (b) I had a hell of a time hitting the targets without infiltrator slowdown. I lost two disloyal teammates while on an earlier playthrough I might not have lost any (although I was sorta trying to lose people on that one).
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The Suicide Mission...
...is one of those things that's most effective the first time you play it. You have no idea what's going to happen and you don't know how shit works, and you have to make choices with limited information. You don't get anywhere near the same kind of impact the second or third time around because now you know.
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FairchildRabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered Userregular
The longer it takes to beat the boss, the more likely it is someone will die. I suspect there's a chance every time Harbinger shows up. And I know it took me longer on my third playthrough because (a) it was harder difficulty and (b) I had a hell of a time hitting the targets without infiltrator slowdown. I lost two disloyal teammates while on an earlier playthrough I might not have lost any (although I was sorta trying to lose people on that one).
It did indeed take me forever
to kill the baby Reaper on Hardcore, and I wondered at the time what the consequences would be. None, as it turned out. Is it possible for the baby Reaper to win ? Is there a timer running when you are trying to kill it ?
The longer it takes to beat the boss, the more likely it is someone will die. I suspect there's a chance every time Harbinger shows up. And I know it took me longer on my third playthrough because (a) it was harder difficulty and (b) I had a hell of a time hitting the targets without infiltrator slowdown. I lost two disloyal teammates while on an earlier playthrough I might not have lost any (although I was sorta trying to lose people on that one).
It did indeed take me forever
to kill the baby Reaper on Hardcore, and I wondered at the time what the consequences would be. None, as it turned out. Is it possible for the baby Reaper to win ? Is there a timer running when you are trying to kill it ?
No timer, you'll just lose the rearguard eventually.
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I never put Miranda in charge of anything. She isn't nearly as qualified as she thinks she is. Plus I put her in my party most of the time so I could stare at that sweet ass of hers.
Yeah, but she's got PLOT ARMOR, which is why she can wear a navel hugging catsuit into a firefight.
It's all part of wielding The Most Common Superpower, same as Samara and Jack, whereas Tali gets off with just a Latex Spacesuit.
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...is one of those things that's most effective the first time you play it. You have no idea what's going to happen and you don't know how shit works, and you have to make choices with limited information. You don't get anywhere near the same kind of impact the second or third time around because now you know.
Totally agree. You make the best decisions you can based on what the game has taught you thus far. Replays are still fun because the writing, timing, dialogue and cinematics are top-notch but you're right, nothing beats the thrill of the first time you run it.
I did it late on a Sunday nite and couldn't get to sleep afterward because my mind was racing with the decisions made and obstacles overcome.
Which made for a tough day of work on Monday, let me tell you.
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Needless to say, my thinkin' was off a bit, since Thane survived as biotic but the swarms chewed up Garrus, one of my favorites.
When it came to the suicide mission:
I got lucky with my choices and had my entire team survive, but that's because I basically wanted to pick who I thought would be best for the job, not who I liked necessarily. For example, I picked Garrus to lead the fire team each time, because he's got a shitload of experience and also he survived a massive onslaught of mercs as Archangel. He was a logical choice.
Similarly, for the biotic specialist, I picked Samara because she's a powerful biotic and also she has huge tits. I didn't pick Jack because she's got small tits, although as a biotic she's equally qualified.
For the engineering specialist, I went with Tali, because Tali is the best and I knew she wouldn't let me down.
For the final stand, I took Miranda and Tali in with me and I left all of my strongest and most powerful fighters at the door. It just made sense to do it that way.
Luckily for me, I did every loyalty mission because, I loved the game and wanted to play as much as I can and I didn't trust TIM for shit after the Collector ship so I was getting everything done first.
I figured Tali would good in vents because my Shepard trusted Tali implicitly, hell every time I beat Saren she was in my party. Garrus was on the Fire team because knowing commando movie cliches he's not gonna lose another squad. Samara for biotics because of the above reasons and Miranda for the second fire team because she was so disappointed the first time and she's effectively my XO.
I almost sent Garrus through vents, though. So it could've gone disastrously wrong for me.
That didn't work for me, I sent whoever I thought was best to do whatever job, personal feelings aside. Just seemed like the commander type thing to do.
You send the qualified people to the correct job, emotions cannot get in the way and your opinions outrank your squadmates' opinions
Exactly. I was hesitant to send Tali to do anything because Shepard was hittin' that, but you know what Shepard respects her damnit and she's got a job to do.
Tell your friends! It's worth so much more. 8-)
that is bad commandering and it's how people die
To be honest, a Commander would never go on a ground mission, ever. When is the last time you saw a Lt Colonel on patrol?
Hell, you're not even likely to see a Commander go ashore in a foreign port.
"Kaiden, lead a ground party to the beacon."
"Yes sir."
And when Shepard is ordered to recruit one of the most powerful biotics in the galaxy and a tactical genius who led a team that decimated the three largest mercenary groups, he does not worry about his buddy Garrus breaking a nail.
And that unexpected sequence where
sweet Tali doesn't do you any good if Jacob, who knows no tech, can't get the door open and you fail the suicide mission, or gets more people killed
I just lost more people than I needed to.
which is the problem
I know this is a game and everybody knows the good guys win, but there's no need to sacrifice any more people than you need to
(you need to sacrifice 0)
Yeah. Most of the choices were no-brainers anyway.
Oh, I could send Jacob...the guy who has not been shown to have any tech expertise whatsoever. Or I could sent this walking supercomputer or the chick whose race is responsible for this walking supercomputer being created.
"Shepard...send a biotic to make a biotic forcefield!"
Oh, I could send Miranda, Thane, or Jacob. Or I could send this Asari Matriarch or the Biotic prodigy.
"Shepard...send someone to lead the troops!"
Hmm...didn't Garrus go head to head with three of the galaxy's biggest merc groups for months on end with a 12 man squad? Yeah, I think he can hold off some bugs for a couple of minutes.
Yeah, happened to me once and I just about jumped out of my skin. I haven't been this emotionally affected by a video game in a long, long time.
Then, when I replayed the Suicide Mission and made better assignment decisions, Miranda died at the backdoor ever time. Odd, no ?
and both survived
things work out weird sometimes
restarted at lvl 23 and up to 26. I think 30 is max lvl.
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It's all part of wielding The Most Common Superpower, same as Samara and Jack, whereas Tali gets off with just a Latex Spacesuit.
I did it late on a Sunday nite and couldn't get to sleep afterward because my mind was racing with the decisions made and obstacles overcome.
Which made for a tough day of work on Monday, let me tell you.