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  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Joe Chemo wrote: »
    Joe Chemo wrote: »
    That's a good idea, RDM. I am keeping track of all my sets anyway -- I should post them on here for motivation, keeping track of progress and so y'all can laugh at my sissy lifts.


    Also, in my opinion, power cleans are the funnest lift in rippetoe's program. Of could I originally said the same about deadlifts and now they're delightfully painful.

    What I'm really interested in is seeing how long I can maintain the linear progression that is ideal for the beginner lifter, according to Rip. I want to make sure I'm not falling flat by taking in too few calories. Plus I'm always playing soccer or volleyball so at least this way it'll be a little easier to keep track of food, exercise and sleep in one spot.

    I'm a little worried about getting enough sleep, a 6.5 hour average is probably not going to cut it, although if it ends up being anywhere as intense as the college training I was doing, I doubt I'll be staying up to 12:30 or 1:00 by accident anymore.

    Anyway, I'll start compiling a summary of my food intake and my "normal" exercise as a baseline over the next few days so I'll have something to refer to later.

    How many calories you aiming for? I try for 3-3.5k and it's led to 30# weight gain in about 3 months. Even with the surplus I've found making a concerted effort to eat even more has helped me push past my occasional sticking spot. Except for bench. Just for bicep tendinitis instead.

    Well that's part of why I want to start monitoring my current intake, I have only the faintest of half ideas about my current caloric intake. I'm going to start actually running the numbers just as soon as I have some numbers to run.

  • celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    I write about math here:
    http://numberblog.wordpress.com/
  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    See, a caloric breakdown would be great since I don't really feel like researching how many grams of blahblah are in a heaping bowl of mini-wheats covered in whole milk. I'll look into that.

    The performance tracking I can do on my own, that's not a big deal and I get all the discussion and cameraderie I can handle from here I think. :P

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Look RDM I gave you a perfectly good suggestion and you didn't even look at it. I'm hurt, hurt and confused and, um, hurt.

  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Woooo 315 squat. Plate record baby. Also realised I have been going too slow on power cleans, which sounds really dumb since they are an explosive exercise and I haven't been exploding. Nailed 75kg today no problemo by just going faster out of the bottom.

    Big Man in training.
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  • Brucelee41042Brucelee41042 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    psyck0 wrote: »
    Woooo 315 squat. Plate record baby. Also realised I have been going too slow on power cleans, which sounds really dumb since they are an explosive exercise and I haven't been exploding. Nailed 75kg today no problemo by just going faster out of the bottom.

    Grats bud. Squatting 3 plates now.

    Well... depending on location

  • hectorsehectorse Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    See, a caloric breakdown would be great since I don't really feel like researching how many grams of blahblah are in a heaping bowl of mini-wheats covered in whole milk. I'll look into that.

    The performance tracking I can do on my own, that's not a big deal and I get all the discussion and cameraderie I can handle from here I think. :P

    Are you trying to bulk on the SS program?

    If so, I would less inclined to calorie count and focus on OMFG EAT ALL THAT MOVES

  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Look RDM I gave you a perfectly good suggestion and you didn't even look at it. I'm hurt, hurt and confused and, um, hurt.

    Didn't I? I did actually, signed up and everything, just haven't poked around much yet.

    Also nothing specifically jumped out at me and said "Here is how you calculate how many calories you're eating per day because you're lazy and refuse to do any work"

    Edit - until I took 5 minutes and looked that is... :oops:

  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    hectorse wrote: »
    celandine wrote: »
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    See, a caloric breakdown would be great since I don't really feel like researching how many grams of blahblah are in a heaping bowl of mini-wheats covered in whole milk. I'll look into that.

    The performance tracking I can do on my own, that's not a big deal and I get all the discussion and cameraderie I can handle from here I think. :P

    Are you trying to bulk on the SS program?

    If so, I would less inclined to calorie count and focus on OMFG EAT ALL THAT MOVES

    I haven't decided yet, I'm not trying to tip the scales and at the risk of sounding like someone who has no god damn idea what's going on I don't want to just put on weight for the sake of putting on weight and lifting heavier.

    I'm reasonably sure I weigh between 155-160lbs right now. (I haven't been on a scale in a while) Essentially I'm looking to maximize my power to weight ratio without going too far in excess of 170lbs. Like if I put on 15 lbs, that would be the first time since... well I would say highschool that I've weighed more than 160lbs. I've been between 150 and 155 since I was 19 and I'm (possibly irrationally) leery about adding on weight just for the sake of being able to say I was able to lift more.

    Increase power is the priority and I haven't done enough research to determine what that requires from a nutrition and lifting standpoint yet. So I welcome any and all suggestions as a starting point if nothing else.

  • hectorsehectorse Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    hectorse wrote: »
    celandine wrote: »
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    See, a caloric breakdown would be great since I don't really feel like researching how many grams of blahblah are in a heaping bowl of mini-wheats covered in whole milk. I'll look into that.

    The performance tracking I can do on my own, that's not a big deal and I get all the discussion and cameraderie I can handle from here I think. :P

    Are you trying to bulk on the SS program?

    If so, I would less inclined to calorie count and focus on OMFG EAT ALL THAT MOVES

    I haven't decided yet, I'm not trying to tip the scales and at the risk of sounding like someone who has no god damn idea what's going on I don't want to just put on weight for the sake of putting on weight and lifting heavier.

    I'm reasonably sure I weigh between 155-160lbs right now. (I haven't been on a scale in a while) Essentially I'm looking to maximize my power to weight ratio without going too far in excess of 170lbs. Like if I put on 15 lbs, that would be the first time since... well I would say highschool that I've weighed more than 160lbs. I've been between 150 and 155 since I was 19 and I'm (possibly irrationally) leery about adding on weight just for the sake of being able to say I was able to lift more.

    Increase power is the priority and I haven't done enough research to determine what that requires from a nutrition and lifting standpoint yet. So I welcome any and all suggestions as a starting point if nothing else.

    Whatever your objectives are, you will need a good strength base. SS is great for that. Also, don't underestimate the amount of nutritional intake you need if your lift + do sports. It's not trivial. Power cleans are great at building power output.

    I am like you, I don't want to put on weight just to lift heavier. What I do is that I go through cycles. I bulk and put weight on the bar until I weight 186+. Then I cut quite a bit back to 180'ish. Then I bulk back. Everytime I{ve done this, my lift numbers have steadily gone up, even if I am at the same weight than before. There will come a point where you will have exhausted all you can gain at any given body weight, as in you will reach your muscle genetic potential, but don't worry about it, since it's probably years along the road. Maybe you won't even get there at all.

    What I am trying to say is that 170 lb is a good target weight for you, but it's going to take more time than you think. Also, it's going to take more nom nom'ing than you think.

    I say you start on SS, but don't be too picky about your calorie intake needs. If you have to get 4000 cals, so be it. If you need to have get them from cheeseburgers, so be it. Watch the scale, but don't be too concerned about it

  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I haven't decided yet, I'm not trying to tip the scales and at the risk of sounding like someone who has no god damn idea what's going on I don't want to just put on weight for the sake of putting on weight and lifting heavier.

    That is precisely why I'm bulking. Then again, when I started I weighed the same as you (at 6'4") and was weak as a kitten. So I suppose our goals are a smidgen different

  • Brucelee41042Brucelee41042 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    RDM-

    You can also create a page on bodyspace.bodybuilding.com. You can do pretty much everything on that site, and they also give you neat little graphs

    Like this:

    4b8d7f5c21ad5e46.jpg

    This is mine over the past few months for bodyweight...

  • celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    What's up with that sudden dip, Bruce? Diet or illness?

    I'd recommend fitday (or some other automatic graph-making site) just because I'm a data junkie and knowledge is power.

    I write about math here:
    http://numberblog.wordpress.com/
  • RabidDeathMooseRabidDeathMoose Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    hectorse wrote: »
    hectorse wrote: »
    celandine wrote: »
    Fitday will give you calorie/macro breakdowns. You can also track your weight and calories burned.
    Downside: there's no feature for performance tracking (weight lifted, etc.) and no discussions/cameraderie.

    It might be interesting to do a DIY excel sheet with ALL your physical variables: sleep, bodyweight, food, strength, pees/bm's -- and see how they correlate. I'm probably not consistent enough for that but a more deliberate person might get some insights.

    See, a caloric breakdown would be great since I don't really feel like researching how many grams of blahblah are in a heaping bowl of mini-wheats covered in whole milk. I'll look into that.

    The performance tracking I can do on my own, that's not a big deal and I get all the discussion and cameraderie I can handle from here I think. :P

    Are you trying to bulk on the SS program?

    If so, I would less inclined to calorie count and focus on OMFG EAT ALL THAT MOVES

    I haven't decided yet, I'm not trying to tip the scales and at the risk of sounding like someone who has no god damn idea what's going on I don't want to just put on weight for the sake of putting on weight and lifting heavier.

    I'm reasonably sure I weigh between 155-160lbs right now. (I haven't been on a scale in a while) Essentially I'm looking to maximize my power to weight ratio without going too far in excess of 170lbs. Like if I put on 15 lbs, that would be the first time since... well I would say highschool that I've weighed more than 160lbs. I've been between 150 and 155 since I was 19 and I'm (possibly irrationally) leery about adding on weight just for the sake of being able to say I was able to lift more.

    Increase power is the priority and I haven't done enough research to determine what that requires from a nutrition and lifting standpoint yet. So I welcome any and all suggestions as a starting point if nothing else.

    Whatever your objectives are, you will need a good strength base. SS is great for that. Also, don't underestimate the amount of nutritional intake you need if your lift + do sports. It's not trivial. Power cleans are great at building power output.

    I am like you, I don't want to put on weight just to lift heavier. What I do is that I go through cycles. I bulk and put weight on the bar until I weight 186+. Then I cut quite a bit back to 180'ish. Then I bulk back. Everytime I{ve done this, my lift numbers have steadily gone up, even if I am at the same weight than before. There will come a point where you will have exhausted all you can gain at any given body weight, as in you will reach your muscle genetic potential, but don't worry about it, since it's probably years along the road. Maybe you won't even get there at all.

    What I am trying to say is that 170 lb is a good target weight for you, but it's going to take more time than you think. Also, it's going to take more nom nom'ing than you think.

    I say you start on SS, but don't be too picky about your calorie intake needs. If you have to get 4000 cals, so be it. If you need to have get them from cheeseburgers, so be it. Watch the scale, but don't be too concerned about it

    I also need to think about my health because really, I'm not 20 anymore. Predominantly I want to get as strong as I'm able and then maintain for as long as possible to try and offset any potential age related loss in power and speed. Why? Well because I'm too damn competetive for my own good sometimes and I selfishly want to continue to outrun and jump kids nearly half my age. So far it's been ok, I sometimes worry about the day when that will stop, but not too often.

  • Brucelee41042Brucelee41042 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    That dip was from me cutting to get into the 181 pound class.... for the meet I never attended...

    Good news is I'm back up around 188ish

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I think I'm gonna give this a shot tonight or tomorrow; you use dumbbells, I'll probably start with 25s 'cause I'm a smallish man.

    Reverse Lunges, 6 reps on each leg
    Romanian Deadlift, 12 reps
    Good Morning, 12 reps
    Front Squat, 6 reps
    Military Press, 6 reps
    Bentover Row, 6 reps
    Floor Press, 12 reps

    Rinse and repeat 2-4 times.

  • Sunday_AssassinSunday_Assassin Registered User
    edited March 2010
    I also need to think about my health because really, I'm not 20 anymore. Predominantly I want to get as strong as I'm able and then maintain for as long as possible to try and offset any potential age related loss in power and speed. Why? Well because I'm too damn competetive for my own good sometimes and I selfishly want to continue to outrun and jump kids nearly half my age. So far it's been ok, I sometimes worry about the day when that will stop, but not too often.

    If that's you're goal you don't even need to worry about calories and gaining weight to begin with tbh.

    I got six months of linear gains out of a SS routine without putting on a pound. Just eat well. If you gain weight too that's awesome, if you don't, doesn't matter because you'll be a hell of a lot stronger either way.

  • DachshundDachshund Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Regarding strength gaining without bulking:

    I did Starting Strength for 10 months, then crossfit for 2 months, and then SS again for the past month. Starting weight 191. Current weight 188. I don't eat enough and it is my own fault and a lot of the time I eat terribly due to being a field engineer and spending 8-10 months / year on the road. My gains are definitely slower than the big eaters around here, but I'm enjoying my gym time & happy with my progress. Squat will be 265 today! If I ate 1000 more cal per day I'd probably be squatting 350+ right now, since I am consistent with training and sleep.

  • hectorsehectorse Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    There's also situations where you simply can't put enough weight on the bar as fast as some of those rippetoe guys can. But you WILL get stronger

  • Sunday_AssassinSunday_Assassin Registered User
    edited March 2010
    I'm just saying that unless you actively want to get bigger bulking isn't a necessary part of strength training

    Your gains over the first few months will be limited by CNS adaptation rather than muscle growth anyway, so it's not as if you'll be progressing slower than other guys to begin with.

    And while the bigger guys' actual numbers will go up further, your numbers relative to bodyweight will usually look better than theirs 8-)

    How many other guys here can do chins with two plates, eh?
    Spoiler:

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm curious SA, when you say two plates which two are you talking about? Because we're about the same size but I weigh ~30 lbs more than you, so depending on the plates we're doing chins with about the same weight :P.

  • King NadaKing Nada Registered User
    edited March 2010
    i could do 1 chin up with maybe a dinner plate... A plastic/disposable one.

  • spazmojackspazmojack Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    with thanks to cel for the cabbage idea (good call on that btw, it's super cheap and tastes great), here's a big pile of it for dinner with a healthy portion of london broil. i also added some yellow squash to it while cooking it down. good show!

    meal.jpg

    should provide some stout nutrition for tomorrows back workout.

  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I almost had london broil for dinner, but I didn't have time to marinade the meat so I just ate it with a little hot sauce. Was not so good.

    Big Man in training.
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  • Run Run RunRun Run Run __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    that looks disgusting. bloody meat, *rech*. damn barbarians.

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  • redheadredhead Registered User
    edited March 2010
    i've "been meaning to" get on this weightlifting/being in shape thing for a while, so as a result i've been kind of lurking in the past few iterations of these threadas, reading a few pages here and there.

    i've been telling myself there are a lot of reasons that right now isn't a good time for me to start lifting. some of them are actually true, so it's probably not practical for me to start for a while until i get shit sorted out. but in the mean time, i bought that starting strength book off amazon just for fun! i figure i'm the kind of person who will read through it just because it's interesting, and then in a couple weeks when my life is in a more reasonable place i'll be both more informed and more excited to start lifting. i hope so, anyway.

  • Sunday_AssassinSunday_Assassin Registered User
    edited March 2010
    I'm curious SA, when you say two plates which two are you talking about? Because we're about the same size but I weigh ~30 lbs more than you, so depending on the plates we're doing chins with about the same weight :P.

    2x20kgs

    and even if we were doing the same weight my total still sounds better than yours

    I take my victories where I can get em
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  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I feel like some sort of RPG character.


    LEVEL UP!!

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm curious SA, when you say two plates which two are you talking about? Because we're about the same size but I weigh ~30 lbs more than you, so depending on the plates we're doing chins with about the same weight :P.

    2x20kgs

    and even if we were doing the same weight my total still sounds better than yours

    I take my victories where I can get em
    Spoiler:

    Nuts. See I'm using you for inspiration; I figure what you're lifting is a reasonable set of goals for me, since you're about my height. I'm not going to catch you but I'd like to be in the same ballpark anyway.

  • JyardanaJyardana Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    hectorse- good job getting faster!

    I've got my weeks worth of training written up for outdoor season. Its long

    Overview
    Spoiler:

    Week 1 training
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  • SolventSolvent Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    So I'm back from a month's holiday, and my weight really didn't fluctuate. I guess it's possible I lost a bit of muss and gained a bit of fat to even it out.

    But I have some kind of throat infection which means I feel shitty and won't be able to lift for a few more days at least.

    I've decided to go for a 'cutting' phase though. For a few reasons. Firstly, on a holiday lots of photos are taken, and even though some of these photos are taken from less-than-perfect angles and at less-than-perfect times of the day (such as after a meal), they can still make it clear that you might be carrying around a bit more fat than is optimal.
    Also, I've been slowly gaining weight (intentionally!) for the last two and a half years, so I feel that now I'm well justified in trying to cut down a bit and then later in the year I can gain a few more kilos of muss without stressing about getting into 'overweight' territory.

    So now I'm at 81kg, 178cm. Let's see, I guess I could try to drop about four or five kilos? Considering I used to weigh in at 60kg I think that should be well achievable.
    Frequent training, better eating, a bit more cardio. Time to get motivated.

    I don't know where he got the scorpions, or how he got them into my mattress.
  • webguy20webguy20 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Alright silly geese. I set up a space at bodybuilding.com. Add me as a friend. Discgolfer27 and then we can all make fun of each other on yet another page on the internet.

    Steam ID: Webguy20
    Origin ID: Discgolfer27
  • xeroismygodxeroismygod Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    My new toys
    Spoiler:

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User
    edited March 2010
    cardio is the most boring, but man do i feel it

    do not ask for whom the snerd tolls
  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    that looks disgusting. bloody meat, *rech*. damn barbarians.

    How do you eat your steak, run?

    Extra well done and covered in flowers?

  • celandinecelandine Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    xero, I covet your toys.

    Run, I <3 u. Always trying to spread the light of civilization.

    I write about math here:
    http://numberblog.wordpress.com/
  • DachshundDachshund Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Today I failed my first squat ever! Last set of 265, my highest 3x5 ever. I've been eating shit and working 15 hour days, so's I blame that. I went down to the bottom and came up about 2 inches, stopped, uhoh ok puuuuuuuuuuuuush for 15 seconds, then slowly sink to the floor. Lucky it was one of those racks with the railings so the bar stopped on that and I just sat on the floor.

  • redheadredhead Registered User
    edited March 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    Run, I <3 u. Always trying to spread the light of civilization.

    well, boys, looks like another one's contracted the taint

    a damn shame. she was growing into a fine poster.

  • hectorsehectorse Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    celandine wrote: »
    xero, I covet your toys.

    Run, I <3 u. Always trying to spread the light of civilization.

    Civilization is a myth

    We are still murderous apes at heart

  • FalloutFallout GIRL'S DAY EVERY DAYRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    day late on my monday routine (technically two) but i lifted the shit out of some... shit.

    lifted bigman plates for the first time! benched 135 at 3x3. Maybe 4x3. Then I did 3x5 deadlifts at 100lbs (little light, gonna step it up next time) and 3x5 dumbbell pullovers at 40. Those were too light too but I've had a rough few days so... fuggit.

    Speaking of dumbbell pullovers, I fuckin' hate those. Anyone got a preferred exercise that could replace those?

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