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telling jobs I have management without using the reference?
DarkSymphony
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ok basically in 2008 I had a good management job. The problem is because of internal theft they fired the entire team and spent the next 2 months replacing all of us. ONE person was stealing a ton of shit and none of us knew about it. this person was very good at it being that we rarely noticed missing product. We were in a high traffic area with lots of things that were easy to steal from a customer perspective, so we always thought it was theft from customers (or non-customers as it were). The thing is, I HAVE management experience, but using that store as a reference is a bad thing. They fired all of us, claiming that we ALL stole things, which never occured. My question is, is there any way I can make mention that I do indeed have managerial experience without having them look into the place I was at? Or, since I assume the obvious answer is no, is there any way I can explain what happened and have it work out? I'm asking because I've been out of a job for a couple weeks (the season ended at my last job, it was a seasonal position) and I want to get back into management if possible.
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I'm not sure how far this can go but I'm sure slander is still illegal.
But they probably won't give you a favorable reference if you do that. You might just want to ask them to drop the theft crap from your record they have on file and ask if they'd give you a reference for a managerial job.
Your other option is to put the job experience on your resume and ask them not to contact your former employers, and then explain the situation when you're asked why you left that company.
Pretty much anywhere will give you a good reference.
In fact (as someone who has given a ton of references) it doesn't come up if the interviewee doesn't want it to. Calling and asking "Will you give me a good reference?" is all that is needed.
The problem here is that you'll never get the chance.
As with all of these sticky job situations, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
I've heard that employers aren't "allowed" to give a bad reference, but how would you ever find that out? All you would know is that Company X never called you for an interview.
That doesn't make it sound like you're a good manager.
They aren't, but all the are required to do is confirm that you worked there from X date till Y date. So a reference that comes back saying "Yes he worked here from X-Y in Z position" is understood to mean "don't hire this guy"
Not necessarily. A number of larger corporations are doing the flipside as well, in that they don't give any recommendations at all, positive or negative. With negative rec's they're concerned about the law, with positive ones they worry that the new company will be dissatisfied with their new employee and turn around and sue them for falsely representing information.
It's becoming more and more common to only give out position confirmation and employment dates, whether that helps or hinders your job prospects is sort of moot.
They may ask to fax over a release form or send you to another number. Do that and follow through. Ta Daa, you now know exactly what they will say to any future employer and there is no ambiguity about whether you should leave it off your res or not.
It's not rocket science. Don't give the new potential employer the go ahead or the means to contact the old poor employer.
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In Florida, ex-employers cannot answer hardly any questions at all.
Unfortunately, they CAN answer "Would you hire this person again?". To which the employer can only answer yes or no.
And.. "no" could mean a lot.
Check your state laws.
Also, for someone with 'management experience' you seem kinda clueless when it comes to business acumen. Everything mentioned in this thread is something I would expect a manager to already know, so it immediately makes me wonder exactly what it is you used to manage?
Lastly, again, if you worked as a manager, how is it you don't know how that company handles references, job verification, etc?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
Probably a D&D topic though.
Yup.
American case law basically says that work is a privilege not a right, although you can sue a former employer if you can demonstrate that you were terminated for discriminatory reasons (including disabilities). But generally speaking you can be fired at any time for any reason. On the flip side, you can also quit at any time for any reason.
It's a tradeoff. Freedom to quit without consequence in exchange for freedom to dismiss without consequence. Unskilled labor doesn't get a lot of mileage out of this except by using unions, but skilled labor (IT workers for example) definitely benefit from having the "I can just walk out" bomb hovering over management.
Even a store manager should know all this stuff. And frankly if you weren't at least a store manager it is kind of a stretch to say you have 'management experience' based on what you have told us. Sounds more like supervisor or team lead type work. Just be careful when you read job postings and see that as a requirement that you don't end up in over your head.