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Dipshit NY Assemblyman wants to ban salt, tasty food.

DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
edited March 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/13889/assemblyman-seeking-to-ban-all-salt-in-restaurant-cooking/
“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,” Ortiz tells me, before going on to say that he has eaten, and expects he will continue to eat, among other things, ham, cheese and bread in restaurants, all of which contain salt.

It is inarguable that too much salt in the diet can contribute to a host of health problems. It is further inarguable that many processed foods contain levels of sodium so high that consuming them regularly is inadvisable. V8 Juice, for instance, contains one-third of the government’s recommended daily sodium intake in just one 12-ounce serving, for instance, and one serving of Campbell’s regular condensed chicken-noodle soup, in the familiar red-and-white can, delivers even more salt. Number like those should be reduced.

However, that’s not what Ortiz’s bill is going after. He’s intent on banning all salt used in all restaurant food.

The language of the bill reads:
No owner or operator of a restaurant in this state shall use salt in any form in the preparation of any food for consumption by customers of such restaurant, including food prepared to be consumed on the premises of such restaurant or off of such premises.

The justification for the proposed law, given in the bill’s introduction, reads:
This legislation will give customers the option to add salt after the meal has been prepared for them. In this way, consumers have more control over the amount of sodium they intake, and are given the option to exercise healthier diets and healthier lifestyles.


Yeah, because adding salt after the meal is served works fucking great for (e.g.) baked goods, or meat marinades. I guess I'm not stopping at any restaurants when I visit my folks in NY if this whacko gets his way. (Not that there would be any left.) Hey, Ortitz, you know what happens if you cut 100% of the salt out of your diet? You fucking die, that's what.

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    It would be hilarious if it turned out that salt was, like, absolutely vital for survival.

    The libertarian response to anything is, "Sure, that works fine in practice, but it doesn't fly in theory."
  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If they tried to take away salt from restaurants in NYC, they would shut down. Chefs use an astronomical ammount of salt and butter in their dishes.

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2010
    Cervetus wrote: »
    It would be hilarious if it turned out that salt was, like, absolutely vital for survival.

    I don't know if you're joking or not, but it is vital for survival. Just not in the amounts most people in America eat.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    If they tried to take away salt from restaurants in NYC, they would shut down. Chefs use an astronomical ammount of salt and butter in their dishes.

    Well salt does make things taste good.

  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary When has it ever been any different?Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    It would be hilarious if it turned out that salt was, like, absolutely vital for survival.

    I don't know if you're joking or not, but it is vital for survival. Just not in the amounts most people in America eat.

    Like everything else we eat, most of which is indeed vital for our bodies to function properly, it needs to be eaten in moderation. Simple, yet hardly followed in the age of fast food.

    Salt is also good as a religious metaphor as well as a method to melt ice and kill germs.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Corehealer wrote: »
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    It would be hilarious if it turned out that salt was, like, absolutely vital for survival.

    I don't know if you're joking or not, but it is vital for survival. Just not in the amounts most people in America eat.

    Like everything else we eat, most of which is indeed vital for our bodies to function properly, it needs to be eaten in moderation. Simple, yet hardly followed in the age of fast food.

    Salt is alo good as a religious metaphor as well as a method to melt ice and kill germs.

    Don't blame fast food for this. Fine dining is full of salt and butter as well, it's all foods. It tastes good and that's why we eat it. If they take it out the food tastes like crap and we buy something else.

    This is a problem with the people, not the companies pushing the product.

    EDIT- It also does not melt ice. It raises the freezing point to help prevent it from refreezing.

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against the Irish) Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Lowers the freezing point, you mean.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    psychotix wrote: »
    Don't blame fast food for this. Fine dining is full of salt and butter as well, it's all foods. It tastes good and that's why we eat it. If they take it out the food tastes like crap and we buy something else.

    This is a problem with the people, not the companies pushing the product.

    EDIT- It also does not melt ice. It raises the freezing point to help prevent it from refreezing.
    Salt in food is less about getting saltiness and more about the fact that salt improves the working of your taste buds. It's why saltless food tends to taste lifeless.

    Still, this bill is all kinds of stupid and is clearly just a PR stunt.

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  • MalaysianShrewMalaysianShrew Registered User
    edited March 2010
    It's like he has never baked anything in his life. I fucked up and forgot the pinch of salt in my waffle recipe once and it was awful.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    It sounds like a backhanded protest of the banned extra-bad fat thing.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Well, if the gun control threads have taught me anything, it's that no matter how other people might feel about something, if it's dangerous it should be banned.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    Restaurants of all stripes use way too much salt. Ditto processed foods.

    But this is among the stupidest proposals I have heard.

    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

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  • CervetusCervetus Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    Cervetus wrote: »
    It would be hilarious if it turned out that salt was, like, absolutely vital for survival.

    I don't know if you're joking or not, but it is vital for survival. Just not in the amounts most people in America eat.

    Yes, I am indeed joking. Not that I'm suggesting people would start dying if restaurants weren't allowed to use salt though, just being silly.

    Although a rash of goiters would be funny/tragic.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    Well, if the gun control threads have taught me anything, it's that no matter how other people might feel about something, if it's dangerous it should be banned.

    Do not drag gun control in here or I will blast you with a shotgun loaded with rock salt.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Restaurants of all stripes use way too much salt. Ditto processed foods.

    But this is among the stupidest proposals I have heard.

    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

    Especially everything, trying making a steak without salt. It's not good.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    this is excellent
    i support this legislation
    i hope he bans fire next, fucking flames always burning the shit out of things

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  • CycloneRangerCycloneRanger Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    This legislation will give customers the option to add salt after the meal has been prepared for them. In this way, consumers have more control over the amount of sodium they intake, and are given the option to exercise healthier diets and healthier lifestyles.
    When the hell did "intake" become a verb?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    psychotix wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Restaurants of all stripes use way too much salt. Ditto processed foods.

    But this is among the stupidest proposals I have heard.

    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

    Especially everything, trying making a steak without salt. It's not good.

    Well, some foods without salt are bland. And some just taste wrong. I would rather have a steak sans salt than a cookie.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Wouldn't meat have trace amounts of salts in it? Like, from the blood. Doesn't this legislation ban the use of salt in any form?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    this is excellent
    i support this legislation
    i hope he bans fire next, fucking flames always burning the shit out of things

    Hey, hey.

    Let us step outside, friend.

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    Do we know what this dullard's position is on that fat ban they did awhile ago?

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  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    A lot of things are just inherently salty. Anything canned, in a brine, cured, etc.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Sports drinks will have to be banned.

    As will Pedialyte.

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  • MblackwellMblackwell Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Perrier water will too.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Isn't caviar loaded with fantastic amounts of salt?

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  • galenbladegalenblade Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Well, I imagine this is just for restaurants, not for general foodstuffs. Much like the trans fat ban.

    Also, I was nearly very distressed as I thought this guy was my assemblyman. He's actually in the district just south of mine, thank God.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Isn't caviar loaded with fantastic amounts of salt?

    Yeah, but it's already in there, I presume he means adding salt to things.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    Yeah, I doubt even this guy is dumb enough to try and ban the very existence of sodium in foodstuffs.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    So the only way for restaurants to have salt in their stuff is if they don't make it themselves?

    Can't make a fresh rub with salt in it so you buy some from the grocery store that's full of preservatives and use it in your five star establishment?

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Salt tastes good. Almost as good as bacon.

  • jammujammu Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

    Guns at dawn Good sir!

    I'm not totally against adding salt, but I mainly use different peppers, herbs and some cream for meats.

    On baking salt is useful, although I'm known to add some other spices in addition of salt to them.

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    So the only way for restaurants to have salt in their stuff is if they don't make it themselves?

    Can't make a fresh rub with salt in it so you buy some from the grocery store that's full of preservatives and use it in your five star establishment?

    No, not like that. Some items, ie caviar, are just full of salt naturally. And there is a certain amount of sodium in things.

    On the other hand, all places that serve food, regardless of quality, put tons of salt in everything to make it taste better. Because nobody would eat at a place that didn't, it would taste fucking foul.

    So the proposal is that you can't add salt into anything, or use things that are made with salt (like say pickled food stuffs, or salted butter) and then the customer would have to add it at the end.

    It's still retarded, but I doubt anybody is daft enough to just ban salt in all it's forms, you'd have to ban everything.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I wouldn't mind a LIMIT to salting things, if there was a practicable way to enforce it.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    jammu wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

    Guns at dawn Good sir!

    I'm not totally against adding salt, but I mainly use different peppers, herbs and some cream for meats.

    On baking salt is useful, although I'm known to add some other spices in addition of salt to them.

    :^:

    I rarely add salt (except to stews and soups, and baked goods of course), and I hear nothing but compliments on my cooking.

    That's not to say salt is bad, I just don't want to add it to our foods. We get enough salt in our diets without adding more.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    this is what is known as a publicity stunt

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    jammu wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    (Also, I have known people who refuse to use salt in their cooking, and their food fucking sucks. Cooking without salt is like cooking without... I dunno... something vital. Especially baking. Baked goods without salt are shit.)

    Guns at dawn Good sir!

    I'm not totally against adding salt, but I mainly use different peppers, herbs and some cream for meats.

    On baking salt is useful, although I'm known to add some other spices in addition of salt to them.

    There are plenty of things where you don't need to add salt, certainly. But for most foods - at least most of the foods I cook - adding a little bit of salt brings out the other flavors in a way that's very difficult without salt, if not impossible.

    A lot of things, I think, taste best if the only seasoning is a little salt and maybe some black pepper. I cook most of my side dishes fairly simply, because I like tasting whatever it is I'm cooking. If I'm making asparagus, I like to taste the asparagus. If I'm grilling a steak, I wanna taste the steak. Chicken and pork are different, because their natural flavors are so damned boring that you need to get creative. Then I tend to get wild with herbs and such.

    ( I really love cilantro, because it's cheap as shit so if I buy a bunch and half of it goes bad I don't get too upset. Like, oh no, I just lost a quarter's worth of herbs.)

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  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS
    edited March 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind a LIMIT to salting things, if there was a practicable way to enforce it.

    And again, won't happen, there is a natural limit in this. Using an unhealthy amount of salt makes things taste better, this is known. But turning your prime rib into jerky will cause your business to fail.

    The reality is that people prefer salty food. Trying to put limits into place, for "their own damn good", isn't a good idea.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar QA Tester -> Game Producer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    psychotix wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind a LIMIT to salting things, if there was a practicable way to enforce it.

    And again, that's just silly, there is a natural limit in this. Using an unhealthy amount of salt makes things taste better, this is known. But turning your prime rib into jerky will cause your business to fail.

    The reality is that people prefer salty food. Trying to put limits into place, for "their own damn good", isn't a good idea.

    It's not practicable, anyways.

    I prefer the notion of them being made to inform customers about basic nutrition facts, more than anything, but again, not practicable.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    psychotix wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind a LIMIT to salting things, if there was a practicable way to enforce it.

    And again, that's just silly, there is a natural limit in this. Using an unhealthy amount of salt makes things taste better, this is known. But turning your prime rib into jerky will cause your business to fail.

    The reality is that people prefer salty food. Trying to put limits into place, for "their own damn good", isn't a good idea.

    It's not practicable, anyways.

    I prefer the notion of them being made to inform customers about basic nutrition facts, more than anything, but again, not practicable.

    The thing is that most people just plain don't care. Places (in my area, at least) are required to provide nutritional information, and a lot of places around here have that information right on the table and obviously labeled. But nobody gives a shit, because they don't want to give up their Bloomin' Onions and Triple Chocolate Death Cakes and Cheesy Pasta In Cheese Sauce Sprinkled With Cheese And Oh Hell Just Go Swim In The Mozzerella Vat Already.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2010
    Went to Macaroni Grill the other night. It is extremely easy to walk away from the table having just taken in 4000 calories and 5000mg of sodium. Extremely.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Harrisonburg, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
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