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So I can now play video games in 3d.
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I'll wait for my direct brain stimulation, thanks.
Oh, yeah, you're right. I was using "stereoscopic" as a synonym for 3D that uses polarized glasses, because I'm a silly goose that didn't do my research. Sorry if I caused other people confusion.
Also, the headache issue is probably the second biggest problem 3D faces if it wants wide adoption (the first being cost). There doesn't seem to be any method that won't cause headaches, and the time it takes to get one can depend on the person. I sat through most of the last half hour of Avatar with a headache. My dad, however, had no problems through the whole movie.
I highly doubt you were wearing active shutter glasses as they cause almost no strain at all. Most people here have never wore active shutter glasses so the point that it makes their head hurt is mute.
Most people see it as a fad, personally I think it's an incredible effect and one that adds a considerable amount of immersion.
Also someone said games need to be made with 3D in mind...not really, converting 2d films to 3d is one thing, but with a video game you have all the information there regarding depth and size of an object.
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Surely you could...y'know, just not use it?
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He could also go to South Africa and see the games in person. But that would be a lot more expensive.
Anyways, I have an actual, real, constant migraine problem, and I loved Avatar. Had no trouble with it. Looked great.
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For the home television and entertainment group? Hah, not a bloody chance in hell. We've only recently finally got people to start getting rid of their old CRT's and be upgrading to HD tv's with the appropriate cable boxes and signals. You think they're going to do it AGAIN so soon for 3D?
"Welcome consumer and congrats on your new plasma tv! Now you're watching television, sports, and movies in crystal quality 1080p. Would you like to take it to the next level and watch all those in immersive 3D? Oh I'm so sorry! Your $1000 tv doesn't support it! But don't worry, because the new line of tv's are coming out soon, and they're only ~$2000. There'll also be an extra charge for the special glasses you'll have to always wear too to experience the effect."
It's going to crash and burn.
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Then the next "generation", for want of a better phrase, will come around and won't need glasses (there's some work going on already for these sets). Eventually it'll just become a standard.
With regard to expensive glasses people have a choice there. Use a tv with shutter glasses (in my opinion the most comfortable way to watch 3D) which ARE expensive, or pick up a polarising set, like the new Panasonic is I believe, whereby the glasses are the same as the ones they give away at the cinema. Cheap.
It seems this time around the general public are behind this and the more tech-savvy are against it. I know people are comparing this to the change from SD to HD but it's not like that. Some people just can't see the difference in resolution, however nearly everyone can see a marked difference in a 2D and a 3D image. Most people I know have upgraded their CRT to an LCD/Plasma not because of the difference in quality but because of the physical size of the set.
If, however, this is completely wrong and five years go by and 3D is dead you can feel free to dig up this post, show it to me and I'll post up a picture of me wearing nothing but a pink tutu and my original shutter glasses.
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WRONG.. I waited years and still use a CRT for gaming but the TV I will be watching only cost 950.00 for 60 inches of DLP 3d goodness. I didn't have to pay 1000's for 3d.
Thank you Drez. I've put a note in my calendar to repeat on this day for the next five years. It includes a link to this post. We'll revisit this once a year for the next half decade a) to see that I'm right b) to see that you're once again kicking back against a technology that's going to become mainstream and c) mostly just for me to flip you the bird.
See you in a year.
Well I just hit up Futureshop.ca and their brief listing of these 3D capable tv's all started at around 2k.
Either way though, the price isn't really the crux of the issue. It's telling people their fancy tv that they bought only a few years ago is wrong, and they have to replace it if they want 3D. Simply put, "normal" people don't go replacing their television sets every few years. So they're going to flip the bird at the notion of having to do it again after less than 10 years.
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10,000% yes.
They need like little films you can place over your current lenses or something, that you can take on/off as needed. That would be nice. (So long as they don't scratch your glasses, of course.) In that case, I'd be very much in to 3-D, most likely.
As it stands now, though, having to place the darn things over my glasses is just a pain. It's fine for Avatar, but otherwise just sucks.
When it did work the 3d depth perception was pretty weak, though it could be increased with the nvidia driver control panel 3d applet, but increasing it produced bigger headaches, faster.
YMMV though as this was a few years ago on a 19" CRT running at 120hz, so maybe the newer tech has improved matters. Plus it all depends on the viewer I guess, and the glasses (wired rather than wireless) were pretty cheap (about $50 IIRC)
The included software for viewing 3d photos was genuinely pretty cool too.
The overall populace are buying new TVs constantly. Just because they're not selling to someone who bought their TV last year, doesn't mean they have no one to sell to. They're also in it for the long haul. Many people ripped Blu-ray for the exact same reasons you're stating and yet the format gains every year.
As for the price, the 3D TVs out there are the LED 240hz ones which cost 1700+ even without 3D so it's not 3D that's jacking up the price. They're just adding it to their newest models. The same way you can now buy 40"+ LCD TVs for under $800, in a couple years those expensive LED 3D televisions will be relatively cheap while the next type replaces them.
My next TV is going to be a Plasma.
Better PQ + cheaper = win.
Exactly, just as HD was really top end while people were just moving over to proper digital, and then 1080p was top end when most sets did 720i, we're going to see the people catch up to 1080p while the new top end emerges with sets that support 1080p 3d or something. Oh, and the broadcast will eventually come with a 3D/non 3d version just like shows now have HD/non HD.
Clearly it won't be truly huge until it is not dependant on glasses, just like HD wasn't huge until sets existed which could get decent quality in varying light levels at a reasonable price.
I bought a plasma recently too, blew away EVERY LCD I've seen under every possible metric, even in high light. The colors are just astounding compared to LCD.
For prospective 3D buyers there are two avenues they can take: if they don't want 3D now they can get a "3D Ready" model; it's ready for 3D but doesn't come with an external sync signal transmitter (that's the IR gadget that controls the glasses) nor does it come with the glasses. Prices are lower to reflect this.
3D Integrated comes with everything you need to get started for the display itself.
3DTVs can upconvert 2D material. Early reports are optimistic about how successful this is, but consumer opinions may contradict that when 3D begins to gain more market penetration.
3DTVs are first and foremost the best HDTVs on the market. Even if you don't want to do 3D, you'll still be buying the best TV out there for the price. That's why many customers who are replacing old sets will move to 3D, it's simply an added bonus.
This isn't DVD, where Disney and Fox waffled on it for three years. This isn't Blu-ray, where there was a competing format. This is every major manufacturer putting out a compatible, interchangeable technology - with ALL of the content providers on board.
3D isn't coming. 3D is here. It's going to take about a year to gain enough momentum to see price drops, but make no mistake, this one's going to be big.
Left 4 Dead is amazing with Nvidia Vision
That and Painkiller are fucking awesome.
WoW is probably the best example of the technology though, being the only game that supports out-of-screen 3d (outside of the calibration tool)
I don't use the 3D vision too much because on long sessions my eyes hurt, even though I'm adjusted to the mid-high depth setting. However, whenever I play L4D or any game in 1-2 hour bursts I definitely bust them out.
The price for the monitor/glasses was justified the second I had a horde of zombies rush down a hospital corridor in full 3d. Jaw dropped.
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You know I don't really care that much, right? The crystal ball thing actually just there to mock you, since you are 100% convinced that it will 100% take flight this time. You're the one with the crystal ball, my friend.
The fact is, some technologies are gimmicks while others are important evolutions. Not all technologies get adopted. Your argument throws out a bunch of examples of technologies that WERE adopted, as if their adoption proves that THIS one will be adopted. Well, no, they don't. I see this as a gimmick. And I find it annoying to wear glasses. So I hope it doesn't take flight. If it does, it does. It doesn't bother me in any substantial way. I am not foaming at the mouth at the prospect of it either being adopted or not being adopted. All I can recommend, 3P0, is to not get your hopes up lest ye want to foam at the mouth at some point in the future.
Careful about burn-in. Mine's still got a bit of the Borderlands HUD on it, even after a break-in process and other stuff.
How old is it?
I've heard modern plasmas are very resistant to burn-in and image retention, as long as you don't play for like 24 hours straight or something absurd.
Look for this post in a year!
Dunno if anyone mentioned it, but I had to do this 3D training for work and ended up trying out the panasonic 3D plasma and the glasses are designed to where it fits over your current glasses perfectly. It is pretty slick. Cardboard 3D has never worked for me but this did.
They still look dumb though but its not like you're wearing them to go out.
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every time I walk away wishing I had it at home. Sure most games and apps aren't optimized for 3d, but tons of games don't need to be in order for the effect to be sweet. FPS especially. just making the enemy character model 3d is cool and that's not hard for NVIDIA to support at all.
factor in that some things ARE (or will be) made for 3d setups, ESPECIALLY if people invest early on (aka NOW), and it's all to the good
too bad I can't afford it for the foreseeable future
I made a note in my calendar to check back in a year and a day to see if 3D was dead yet. Ironically 3D is now supported on PS3, Xbox 360, and both major video card camps for PC, along with a 3D handheld system launching in just 3 days time.
Drez, if this gets to you, you might want to trade that crystal ball in for something useful. Like a 3DS.
And was this really necessary considering we already knew 3D would be a major focus of the next Nintendo handheld at the time? Of course this meant that 3D would be around for at least another 5 years. The question still remains as to whether it will be around after that, which it probably will, but a year is simply not enough time to judge these things. After all, 3D has come and gone in stages of 5-10 years or more since the effect was first possible in entertainment.
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The answer is that yes, I would have posted. I don't mind be wrong in an argument and I do enjoy closure.
And yes, it clearly was necessary. You're stating it'll be around for at least five years. That's five years longer than most people were giving it last year
What we actually think after reading his post:
Maybe this would have been better handled in PM with Drez?
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471904576230594269604696.html?mod=dist_smartbrief
So Drez's crystal ball was actually working pretty well, at least the part about the separate device you have to wear on your face being a big deterrent.
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For my own experience, irony is laid on thick. I have a PlayStation 3DTV that I got from a gaming community deal for about a hundred bucks. I also have my 3DS. I play both with 3D turned off as the drop in quality isn't something I'm prepared to deal with right now (3DTV) and any movement ruins the 3D effect on my 3DS... Nintendo just sent me a copy of Kid Icarus to review - it comes with a small stand, so that might help.
I spent some time checking all five local major HDTV retailer flyers and 3D is still a top 3 feature listed in the bullet points, which indicates that either consumers are still looking for it, retailers are STILL dedicated to the idea that it's a box mover, or manufacturers are paying for it. I'm no longer in that space for employment, so I can't speak to it authoritatively.
Anywho, that's another year down. See you in 12 months, and we'll see if 3D is dead yet!
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I was saying boo-urns.
Recently, I saw a demo of a TV that required glasses, but the scene depth of the effect was incredible! Things appeared both a meter or two in front of the screen and several meters into the screen, rather than just the ever so slight change of depth which makes everything feel like cardboard cut-outs in regular 3D TVs.
I think 3D has quite a bright future for the next couple of decades, at least. Remember, TV started out black and white, and then color, and along came lots of technologies like computer screens, mobile device screens, etc. 3D tech will probably have a similar effect and impact.
EDIT: To append something to do with gaming to this post, the most impressive 3D effect I've ever seen in a game is the blood in Dungeon Defenders on the PS3. I mean, the PC version is superior in every way, but damn if I don't long playing the PS3 version a little just because of that.