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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    You're calling the cops and asking them to harass teenagers. About the only thing they're more likely to show up for is free donuts.

    Seriously, this is not difficult.

  • FFFF Once Upon a Time In OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    This pool hall/sports bar (for lack of a better term) the kids are hanging out at; You might be able to talk to the owner/employees there and see if they feel the same way. It's in their power to ban the kids from hanging out inside or out front. If the kids refuse to leave after being banned, pool hall calls the cops.

    Kids either:

    1) Leave without incident/ go somewhere else
    2) Cops make them leave
    3) Cops take them away, reports get generated, parents informed, etc.

    Nothing to see here. move along...
  • Forbe!Forbe! Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Check your local loitering laws. That might be the only thing the police will be able to confront them about. If they are hanging out on private property, the owner of the bar/parking lot can ask them to leave.

    Other than that, suck it up, or go talk to their parents.

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  • EshEsh Sunshine! Kittens! Rainbows! Smiles! Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    FF wrote: »
    This pool hall/sports bar (for lack of a better term) the kids are hanging out at; You might be able to talk to the owner/employees there and see if they feel the same way. It's in their power to ban the kids from hanging out inside or out front. If the kids refuse to leave after being banned, pool hall calls the cops.

    Kids either:

    1) Leave without incident/ go somewhere else
    2) Cops make them leave
    3) Cops take them away, reports get generated, parents informed, etc.

    The kids are not hanging out inside the bar or leaning against the front of it like it was 1952. They're minors.

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    edited March 2010
    What works for me as someone who hails from a city filled wall-to-wall with kids like this, although note your mileage may vary:

    Laugh it off. Smile a lot. Grin like an idiot at the very idea that these kids think they're intimidating, that they're "hard", as if they're trying to involve you in some elaborate street theatre. It's always defused it for me, because they're left with two choices: they face the fact that you've seen it a million fucking times and you're not scared by idiot kids, or they become part of the joke and pretend that they're intentionally playing along.

    And call the cops regardless. Thanatos pretty much nailed it. Loudmouth vandalising kids are like their ambrosia.

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  • Luck3ySe7enLuck3ySe7en Registered User
    edited March 2010
    ... just call the cops. Its the easiest way to deal with kids and teenagers.. they seem to get dumber when asked simple questions by cops. Plus, they'll most likely split the teens up and question the crap out of them which will make them even weaker. If all else fails:

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  • FFFF Once Upon a Time In OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Esh wrote: »
    FF wrote: »
    This pool hall/sports bar (for lack of a better term) the kids are hanging out at; You might be able to talk to the owner/employees there and see if they feel the same way. It's in their power to ban the kids from hanging out inside or out front. If the kids refuse to leave after being banned, pool hall calls the cops.

    Kids either:

    1) Leave without incident/ go somewhere else
    2) Cops make them leave
    3) Cops take them away, reports get generated, parents informed, etc.

    The kids are not hanging out inside the bar or leaning against the front of it like it was 1952. They're minors.

    Ok misread the OP's description, however:
    I walk to a bar a couple times a week to play pool and watch some sports. There's a group of kids who hang around lately being general douchebags...

    They're still on someones property. Talk to the property owner.

    Nothing to see here. move along...
  • Luck3ySe7enLuck3ySe7en Registered User
    edited March 2010
    FF wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    FF wrote: »
    This pool hall/sports bar (for lack of a better term) the kids are hanging out at; You might be able to talk to the owner/employees there and see if they feel the same way. It's in their power to ban the kids from hanging out inside or out front. If the kids refuse to leave after being banned, pool hall calls the cops.

    Kids either:

    1) Leave without incident/ go somewhere else
    2) Cops make them leave
    3) Cops take them away, reports get generated, parents informed, etc.

    The kids are not hanging out inside the bar or leaning against the front of it like it was 1952. They're minors.

    Ok misread the OP's description, however:
    I walk to a bar a couple times a week to play pool and watch some sports. There's a group of kids who hang around lately being general douchebags...

    They're still on someones property. Talk to the property owner.

    It definitely looks a lot better on the owner to stand up and deal with those idiots rather than his paying customers call the cops for him. And if he doesn't care about taking care of his customers, just find another bar if you're not so attached to it.
    Flashing cop lights outside of a bar isn't the most inviting sight, the owner will take care of them one way or another.

  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    You're calling the cops and asking them to harass teenagers. About the only thing they're more likely to show up for is free donuts.

    Seriously, this is not difficult.

  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    This reminds me of one time I had a problem similar to this, I used to walk down the street to visit my girlfriend and this group of idiots appeared from nowhere shouting and calling me names, I politely asked what the problem is, and they just kept laughing and talking shit. I picked the biggest one of them and I started beating him, the others tried to help but due to the fact I am fairly tall I just kept them at bay while taking care of the supposed leader.

    Unfortunately, laws protect these kids, just call the cops and explain to them very calmly and clearly what the problem is.

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  • CasualCasual flap flap flap wiggle wiggle wiggle Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Edcrab wrote: »
    What works for me as someone who hails from a city filled wall-to-wall with kids like this, although note your mileage may vary:

    Laugh it off. Smile a lot. Grin like an idiot at the very idea that these kids think they're intimidating, that they're "hard", as if they're trying to involve you in some elaborate street theatre. It's always defused it for me, because they're left with two choices: they face the fact that you've seen it a million fucking times and you're not scared by idiot kids, or they become part of the joke and pretend that they're intentionally playing along.

    And call the cops regardless. Thanatos pretty much nailed it. Loudmouth vandalising kids are like their ambrosia.

    This is sound advice. Laugh in their face. Say something like "try this again in a few years when your balls drop". Then walk away. You don't want to get in a prolonged mud slinging match with them.

    Lets face it, it's not like they're actually going to fight you. If they had the balls for it they would have already.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited March 2010
    Casual wrote: »
    Laugh in their face. Say something like "try this again in a few years when your balls drop". Then walk away. You don't want to get in a prolonged mud slinging match with them.

    No, this is stupid and not really what Edcrab was getting at. You don't want to engage them at all. You're ignoring them, laughing it off (read: not laughing in their face) and calling the damn cops.

    As soon as you bite on what they're selling they're just going to come at you harder.

  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2010
    Like every one says, call the police.

    Much probably won't happen the first time, but you just keep calling. Over and over. Sooner or later they will get sick of the constant attention from the police or the police will find a reason to charge them. If they come back again? Call the police. Over and over and over. Encourage the other patrons to do the same, make sport of it. Start a score board, person with the biggest number of calls made to the police at the end of the month, every body else buys him a drink

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    WildEEP wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    If you go to the gym, think about the kids as you approach the last few reps of your productive set


    they'll probably go away when your bicep exceeds the circumfrence of each one of their heads

    This is a sound plan.

    sarcasm i hope

    or they'll go more at you because you're a bigger target and they're very likely to completely beat the shit out of you when it's 5 or so vs 1, no matter how buff you are

    since when was going to the gym code for starting fights

    Since High School.
    Seriously, stop giving out advice that amounts to physical violence - "Get buffer and scare them . . . . <unspoken> with the threat of greater physical harm. </unspoken> "

    YOU are allowed to be free from threat of physical violence and general public nusiance. You are NOT allowed to enforce this - the police ARE. Stop letting the only interaction you have with the cops be speeding tickets - use them to your benefit for once.

    I know what you're trying to say, but not everyone who works out goes in back alleys and thrashes gangs. Also, not everyone who refrains from working out automatically becomes less susceptible to mugging.


    This is not even about working out anyway. It's about finding a constructive outlet for your frustration and being able to feel better about yourself without retaliating.


    People get really angry and irrational and do stupid stuff all the time in the face of good advice. This is because they refuse to face their own issues that develop as a result of the stresses that these incidents have on them, and their compulsions become so intense that it only takes a small extra stimulus to overwhelm your rational senses. Telling someone to cool it over the internet will result in a profound loss of impact and may only compound the frustration. You need something real meaty, real physical, real approachable, and just plain real to really hammer a recommended behavior into your head.

    Now see I've gone and made my first statement, which was concise and catchy, into a a long rambling deflated argument that has nowhere near the convincing power of an aphorism. I just hope it's now clear what my concerns and objectives are.

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    You're calling the cops and asking them to harass teenagers. About the only thing they're more likely to show up for is free donuts.

    Seriously, this is not difficult.

    If Thanatos is advocating that you rely on cops to solve a problem, I really don't know what I could say which would be more convincing.

    Thanatos is telling you to call the cops. "There's a bunch of teenagers or young adults vandalizing property, harassing passerbys, looks like theyre trying to start a fight or sell something. Think you could send someone to check it out before they start a real mess?"

    Call the cops. Do not get into a stupid fistfight.

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Tube's Favorite Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If my own teenage years are any indication, these kids are probably hanging out there because there are no cops driving by and "harassing them". They feel week and inferior, and desperately try to cover it up by displaying the behavior (behaviour) you're seeing here.

    Call the cops. You don't have to report a specific incident or anything, just tell them, "there are some kids over here who are pretty rowdy, trying to pick fights with people and vandalizing stuff, it'd be appreciated if you could send a patrol car by every once in a while to keep an eye on them."

    The bolded part is important, because people are more likely to help you if you come to them with a problem if you also ask for or suggest some kind of reasonable solution to the problem at the same time.

    With your average teenager's ability to feel persecuted, the problem should solve itself pretty quickly. Even quicker if the cop is the type who'll stop nearby and eyeball them until they feel uncomfortable enough to leave.

  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Seriously, call the cops.

    If you're really at all concerned about the possibility that the kids aren't getting the beatings they so richly deserve, consider the potential consequence free lulz in the unlikely event that one of them says the wrong thing to the wrong cop and winds getting the Pryzbylewski special.

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  • WildEEPWildEEP Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    If you really want a witty attempt at them, then simply carry a box of donuts with you. When they mess with you, its a simple "I've got a cell phone with a 911 speed dial, a box of donuts, and a bunch of underaged kids who want to act tough. Its a Trifecta!"

    Then get your camera out and get ready for the next showing of the "Dont Tase me bro" moment for youtube.

  • Dropping LoadsDropping Loads Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    You're gonna have to go grandpa on them. Just call the cops on them constantly. You'll feel like an old dude yelling "get off my lawn, you damn kids" but it's your only recourse that won't get you in legal trouble.

    The cops probably won't do anything the first time. However, if they're getting dispatched out to deal with these kids all the time, they'll probably put some more effort into it.

    :^:

    The phrase you're looking for here is "paper trail". This encourages the cops to do something about it, and it establishes in a legal record that you explored alternatives before acting in self defense as a last resort.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Paladin wrote: »
    WildEEP wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    Raneados wrote: »
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    If you go to the gym, think about the kids as you approach the last few reps of your productive set


    they'll probably go away when your bicep exceeds the circumfrence of each one of their heads

    This is a sound plan.

    sarcasm i hope

    or they'll go more at you because you're a bigger target and they're very likely to completely beat the shit out of you when it's 5 or so vs 1, no matter how buff you are

    since when was going to the gym code for starting fights

    Since High School.
    Seriously, stop giving out advice that amounts to physical violence - "Get buffer and scare them . . . . <unspoken> with the threat of greater physical harm. </unspoken> "

    YOU are allowed to be free from threat of physical violence and general public nusiance. You are NOT allowed to enforce this - the police ARE. Stop letting the only interaction you have with the cops be speeding tickets - use them to your benefit for once.

    I know what you're trying to say, but not everyone who works out goes in back alleys and thrashes gangs. Also, not everyone who refrains from working out automatically becomes less susceptible to mugging.


    This is not even about working out anyway. It's about finding a constructive outlet for your frustration and being able to feel better about yourself without retaliating.


    People get really angry and irrational and do stupid stuff all the time in the face of good advice. This is because they refuse to face their own issues that develop as a result of the stresses that these incidents have on them, and their compulsions become so intense that it only takes a small extra stimulus to overwhelm your rational senses. Telling someone to cool it over the internet will result in a profound loss of impact and may only compound the frustration. You need something real meaty, real physical, real approachable, and just plain real to really hammer a recommended behavior into your head.

    Now see I've gone and made my first statement, which was concise and catchy, into a a long rambling deflated argument that has nowhere near the convincing power of an aphorism. I just hope it's now clear what my concerns and objectives are.


    edit: Updateish.

    I'm going to talk to a friend of mine who's actually the security guard over there, and a couple of the bartenders to see if they'd be willing to call the cops on the kids regularly. They don't ever go into any of the stores over there or go to the bowling alley or anything, just act like turds. I'd rather not call the police directly without someone else having witnessed or complained of the problem initially.
    I actually wasn't being sarcastic. Using a workout as a healthy place to vent seems like a good idea to me.

  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    these threads always draw out the worst advice. Just call the cops, it's their job to deal with it.

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Forgive me if I missed something, but if these shitheads are right outside of a bar... why haven't you told the bartender that there are some little pukes outside harassing his patrons? He'll call the cops and have them escorted off the property rather quickly.

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  • EshEsh Sunshine! Kittens! Rainbows! Smiles! Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    KiTA wrote: »
    Forgive me if I missed something, but if these shitheads are right outside of a bar... why haven't you told the bartender that there are some little pukes outside harassing his patrons? He'll call the cops and have them escorted off the property rather quickly.

    Yeah, you missed quite a bit. They're not just sitting outside the bar. They're wandering the neighborhood.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I don't really think there's anything wrong with saying something to them if it's cathartic and you're not fearful for your personal safety or something.

    But yeah, just call the cops every time you see them.

    ed: realize that other people are probably calling the police about these kids, too. Just because you calling them won't result in them being gone forever doesn't mean that you're not helping.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Dyscord wrote: »
    I don't really think there's anything wrong with saying something to them if it's cathartic and you're not fearful for your personal safety or something.

    But yeah, just call the cops every time you see them.

    ed: realize that other people are probably calling the police about these kids, too. Just because you calling them won't result in them being gone forever doesn't mean that you're not helping.

    What I wish I could do is take them all into Richmond or Oakland and drop them off next to the tracks or Marcus Garvey Park. I'll probably call the non-emergency number this weekend when I have the time and get a step by step from them on how to get these little turds told not to come back. They've already been tossed from a couple places... like Quiznos and Burger King. Which I find hilarious. I'll post an update then, in case anyone is curious. Otherwise I think this thread is done. Cops it is.

  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fuck, man, just call the fuckin' cops. Stop dicking around and call the fuckin' cops.

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  • TigressTigress Registered User
    edited March 2010
    Dittoing the calling the cops.

    My family had similar problem with a group of kids living down the road from us. They picked on my brother and threatened him endlessly. Talking to the brats' parents didn't work nor did getting administration involved. And each attempt to reason with them was met with escalated harassment.

    Finally, after they beat up my brother (which they didn't feel bold enough to do until his "crazy sister with a black belt" went off to college), ran over our dog with a four-wheeler and almost caused me to wreck my car by intentionally swerving in my path on their four-wheelers, I did what we all should have done: called the sheriff on them.

    Magically, the problems stopped.

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  • RynaRyna Registered User
    edited March 2010
    As a former punk kid (now retired), I'll come at it from another angle.

    If we saw someone was getting annoyed, scared, angry, we're gonna keep doing whatever we we're doing. If you talk back, that's a response, and that's what we want. If you video us, that's even better, but we're not dumb enough to do anything illegal on camera, we'll just show our awesome insults. Of course, if we see you later without that camera, we just might do something...

    Since you're already known to these silly goose kids, I'd say just call the police. But you could have avoided this by just not acknowledging them in the first place.

  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Ignoring groups of morons trying to get your attention is practically what headphones were created for.

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  • FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm loving the fact that people are advocating becoming Batman.

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  • Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Fallingman wrote: »
    I'm loving the fact that people are advocating becoming Batman.

    Name one situation that cannot be solved by becoming Batman.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak Registered User
    edited March 2010
    Mr Ray wrote: »
    Fallingman wrote: »
    I'm loving the fact that people are advocating becoming Batman.

    Name one situation that cannot be solved by becoming Batman.

    Your rich parents are ambushed and killed by a street thug outside of a theater. But that's precisely the reason why you become Batman.

  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Mr Ray wrote: »
    Fallingman wrote: »
    I'm loving the fact that people are advocating becoming Batman.

    Name one situation that cannot be solved by becoming Batman.

    Saving Dent from becoming Two-Face?

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  • SkyGheNeSkyGheNe Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm surprised at the amount of people here actually suggesting that they, or the OP, should engage these kids in any way other than walking away and calling the cops. I've known way too many guys who thought they were "big and tough," who ended up getting stabbed, because a knife doesn't care about how many reps or muscle you've got.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    I'm surprised at the amount of people here actually suggesting that they, or the OP, should engage these kids in any way other than walking away and calling the cops. I've known way too many guys who thought they were "big and tough," who ended up getting stabbed, because a knife doesn't care about how many reps or muscle you've got.

    I am not one of too many, and I am not advocating to engage the kids, I have been attacked not only with a knife, but with a machete, in a life or death fight one has no time to do the politically correct thing.

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  • feebsiclefeebsicle Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Be really nice to them and give them candy. That'll confuse them.

  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak Registered User
    edited March 2010
    And if everything else fails - beat them at their own game.

  • TigressTigress Registered User
    edited March 2010
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    I'm surprised at the amount of people here actually suggesting that they, or the OP, should engage these kids in any way other than walking away and calling the cops. I've known way too many guys who thought they were "big and tough," who ended up getting stabbed, because a knife doesn't care about how many reps or muscle you've got.


    Limed for truth.

    Engaging the little shits in any way just encourages them because you gave them the one thing they want: attention. Even negative attention is a good thing. And giving them the beating they probably deserve will probably only result in them escalating the harassment, possibly including weapons. If they do leave you alone, they'll just pick another target and may use that weapon unprovoked.

    If you call police, you're creating a paper trail in case it does escalate and it shows the kids that someone's finally sick of their BS. I seriously doubt that they'd be willing to risk time in juvy just to get their cheap thrill.

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  • JadedJaded Registered User
    edited March 2010
    Forbe! wrote: »
    Check your local loitering laws. That might be the only thing the police will be able to confront them about. If they are hanging out on private property, the owner of the bar/parking lot can ask them to leave.

    Other than that, suck it up, or go talk to their parents.

    I'm late to the party, but it is not the OP's job at all to talk to these kids parents. Thats what your local boys (and ladies) in blue are for.

    I can't think of anything clever.
  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Aldo wrote: »
    Mr Ray wrote: »
    Fallingman wrote: »
    I'm loving the fact that people are advocating becoming Batman.

    Name one situation that cannot be solved by becoming Batman.

    Saving Dent from becoming Two-Face?

    I'd like to point out that if there were multiple Batmans (Batmen?), that would have been trivial.

    Trivial.

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