Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it, follow these directions. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.
Our rules have been updated and given their own forum. Go and look at them! They are nice, and there may be new ones that you didn't know about! Hooray for rules! Hooray for The System! Hooray for Conforming!

Hates, Happies, Hopes and Horses

16667697172

Posts

  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Joshmvii wrote: »
    It's probably comical to watch.

    I'm a fucking pin-ball in there with those goddamn shades. Usually I can group things okay on the first pull, but when that shade pops on the healer I try to shockwave the group and intercept the shade just to get aggro (taunt is boring! and sometimes on CD thanks to DPS!).

    SCB.jpg
  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    drhazard wrote: »
    Joshmvii wrote: »
    It's probably comical to watch.

    I'm a fucking pin-ball in there with those goddamn shades. Usually I can group things okay on the first pull, but when that shade pops on the healer I try to shockwave the group and intercept the shade just to get aggro (taunt is boring! and sometimes on CD thanks to DPS!).

    Yeah, I hardly ever use my taunt as a ranged pickup tool on my Warrior, if only because Warbringer is the greatest talent of all time and I love charging and intercepting. =)

  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Samphis wrote: »
    I don't post meters for people. If they want to see meters, they can install the meters.

    This is generally me too, though I will post meters on occasion to get people to shut up because they are wrong. Usually it's DPS meters, but I've had to link the healing meters at least once due to a bad ret pally tank (no, you can't pull two rooms full of mobs while wearing leather and swinging a two-hander).

  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Samphis wrote: »
    I don't post meters for people. If they want to see meters, they can install the meters.
    I'll post meters when someone asks for them, but only because invariably the person asking is terrible and I'm beating them.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

  • Fatgoat87Fatgoat87 Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I once got in an argument over meters. Someone asked to post them about every five minutes, finally I said no and for them to install it. The argument ended along the lines of that his computer cant handle running that 'small' addon beyond all his wow-porn swaps on every window/map... The group went into an eerie silence past that point up untill disbanding at the last boss.

  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

  • ArkadyArkady Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

    12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.

    untitled-1.jpg
    LoL: failboattootoot
  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    edited May 2010
    "DPS" is almost as useless a general metric as GS is. My 4.7k GS Ret Pally does about 3.4k DPS on the boss-level dummy. Put me in a heroic and I'll do anywhere from ~4.5k on a boss to 6k+ on trash. And I'm pressing the same buttons in the same order on all occasions.

  • GnutsonGnutson Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I always have damage done showing for 5mans as well

    I did 1k last night in Heroic VH I was pumped.
    Spoiler:

    Erai - Operative <--Imperial Double Agent--> Sniper - Eari
    SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Arkady wrote: »
    Mutilate wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

    12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.

    Single target heroics, yes, 12k is not gonna happen. It doesn't even happen, as you said, with most classes BiS on ICC bosses.

    However I can easily hit 12k on my 5k GS rogue and hunter on excessively large trash packs like the cave in PoS or if a tank is chain pulling.

    It's not that hard really.

    We have people in our ICC who do 25k+ on trash pulls.

    Steam.gif Galedrid - WoW.gif Benediction - bnet.gif Galedrid#1367
    Origin.png Galedrid - FFXI.png Kingshand - FFXIV.png Galedrid Kingshand
    360.png Galedrid - WiiU.gif Galedrid - 3DS.png 3222-6858-1045
  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    If you run Recount, it's almost universally better to set it to display 'current fight' instead of 'overall'. I run recount at all times just for convenience and use during raids, but in heroics it allows me to easily see how much AoE DPS the group is putting out within the first few pulls so I know if I should pull huge groups or smaller ones, and on bosses it actually lets you see how much people are doing on the boss when single target DPS should be at it's highest.

    If you're watching an overall I'd say an average of 3k-4k is probably pretty standard for pretty geared people, because trash makes DPS numbers low due to the way it averages over time and calculates. I've never been able to figure out how recount actually calculates its DPS numbers, because I used to run heroics on my alt lock and a mage buddy of mine who was arcane would pop all his CDs and bust out 9 to 10k on short heroic bosses, whereas I'd be around 4-5k, but the difference in damage done would only be a few thousand. It must have something to do with spells cast over a certain amount of time or something, but his AB spam always produced insane 'DPS' numbers even compared to somebody else doing the same damage done.

  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    "DPS" is almost as useless a general metric as GS is. My 4.7k GS Ret Pally does about 3.4k DPS on the boss-level dummy. Put me in a heroic and I'll do anywhere from ~4.5k on a boss to 6k+ on trash. And I'm pressing the same buttons in the same order on all occasions.

    That's because in groups you usually get better buffs, and the boss dummy is level 83, which you don't see in heroics. You're right about the numbers fluctuating greatly though.

  • JadedJaded Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I will happily give people meters, but I only do it for the total dungeon (start to finish) and I only post it after the last boss dies. If you want to know you're DPS otherwise, download a damage meter.

    Also, I run SKADA, people always go "WTF is SKADA, a broken mod?"
    And then someone links recount and they are generally within 1% variance...

    I can't think of anything clever.
  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Recount runs it's metrics over an invisible timer that has rules as to when it's calculating and when it's not. I do not know what the clocks rules are.

  • GnutsonGnutson Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Jaded wrote: »
    I will happily give people meters, but I only do it for the total dungeon (start to finish) and I only post it after the last boss dies. If you want to know you're DPS otherwise, download a damage meter.

    Also, I run SKADA, people always go "WTF is SKADA, a broken mod?"
    And then someone links recount and they are generally within 1% variance...

    I love Skada for absorbs and it does seem less of a resource hog. But I missed my who targeted what breakdown from recount so I've switched back.

    For all I know it's in Skada too, but damned if I could find it.

    Erai - Operative <--Imperial Double Agent--> Sniper - Eari
    SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
  • DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    In heroics I normally pull 2.5-3k dps depending (as the tank) so it's not like I'm blowing shit up or anything, that was the point of the story, he was being beaten by the tank.

    3k for a heroic is good numbers, 4k is someone overgeared doing their daily random for frost badges.

    Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, I feel I should warn you: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I do over 200k dps on Flame Leviathan, last I checked.

    ;-p

    maybe nothing else is real
    zaleiria-by-lexxy-sig~medium.jpgsteam~tinythumb.png
  • XArchangelXXArchangelX Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Is there a way to sync recount with the other group members? Sometimes it seems like it's missing ranged DPS numbers for some reason.

    Eve Online is a terrible game, but I used to play, for the lulz!
    Steam
    Only the strong can help the weak.
  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Arkady wrote: »
    Mutilate wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

    12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.

    Single target heroics, yes, 12k is not gonna happen. It doesn't even happen, as you said, with most classes BiS on ICC bosses.

    However I can easily hit 12k on my 5k GS rogue and hunter on excessively large trash packs like the cave in PoS or if a tank is chain pulling.

    It's not that hard really.

    We have people in our ICC who do 25k+ on trash pulls.

    We had a boomkin and mage pull in about 32k on the alarm trash in the plague wing in ICC.

  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Does anyone even care about burst vs sustained anymore or has DPS devolved into who can top the meters in this given moment?

  • jackaljackal Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Arkady wrote: »
    Mutilate wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

    12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.

    Single target heroics, yes, 12k is not gonna happen. It doesn't even happen, as you said, with most classes BiS on ICC bosses.

    However I can easily hit 12k on my 5k GS rogue and hunter on excessively large trash packs like the cave in PoS or if a tank is chain pulling.

    It's not that hard really.

    We have people in our ICC who do 25k+ on trash pulls.

    On the PoS cave trash I'll starfall and hurricane. I think I've hit 30K. I know I've hit 20K. (not bragging or anything since it is trash, it's just amusing to see the big numbers).

  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    End wrote: »
    I do over 200k dps on Flame Leviathan, last I checked.

    ;-p

    The unfortunate thing about vehicle sections and those SUPERPOWERED quests is that it totally makes the
    'Highest crit/damage done' stat meaningless. Well... it would be fairly meaningless to begin with, but it would have been a fun stat to look at.

  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    boss dps is the only dps that matters.

    I have never seen overall dps in heroics get over 4000 due to ramp up time and the fact that most trash will die before any real rotation is created.

    And heroic boss dps is really burst dps especially when moorabi dies in 10 seconds.

    You don't know if I am joking or not.
  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Doing a heroic dungeon with a well geared arcane mage is really very silly.

    maybe nothing else is real
    zaleiria-by-lexxy-sig~medium.jpgsteam~tinythumb.png
  • SpacemilkSpacemilk Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    Does anyone even care about burst vs sustained anymore or has DPS devolved into who can top the meters in this given moment?
    Do you really need an answer? I mean, this IS the game that spawned gear score. :P

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    End wrote: »
    Doing a heroic dungeon with a well geared arcane mage is really very silly.

    I agree I was healing one the other day and the dude was doing at least 9k on every boss, and trash packs just died while he ran by to the next one somehow.

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson

    The goal of our founding fathers was freedom. The goal of our current politicians is control.
  • mturalonmturalon Registered User
    edited May 2010
    or a well geared Ret Paladin. things just explode. overall DPS for a 5 man I'm usually seeing between 6.5 and 7K DPS depending, higher if there are undead.

  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    EWom wrote: »
    End wrote: »
    Doing a heroic dungeon with a well geared arcane mage is really very silly.

    I agree I was healing one the other day and the dude was doing at least 9k on every boss, and trash packs just died while he ran by to the next one somehow.

    I ran at HVH with my new 80 warrior tanking. I was afraid everyone would be stealing aggro from me, but everything died from an arcane mage before they could.

    SCB.jpg
  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The beautiful thing about Arcane Mages is that not only can they do massive tons of damage in no time with cooldowns and Arcane Blast spam, but they do it at 40% less threat generated, so it's very hard for them pull agro.

  • HallowedFaithHallowedFaith Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, you can dump your mana pool into some serious damage, but they are sooooooooo boring. I loved leveling my mage. Hated raiding with. Rage-hated heroics. Booooooring.

    Fun as hell for PvP.

    D1yp707.png
    Nintendo ID: Cloudbomb
  • reVersereVerse Never odd or even Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Amused: There's a hilariously whiny blog post by some goose at Wow.com about Iceblade Arrrow sales, wherein the poster basically reveals to the whole world that he is a great big goose who doesn't pay any attention to what he buys from the AH.

    Also amused: Those netherweave bags sure keep on selling fast.

  • SammichSammich Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Arkady wrote: »
    Mutilate wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    I run a meter, It's an overall average of all the fights I think, not sure how it calculates. I'm usually at about 3k dps (which is scrub territory according to some people) but I am not out-dpsed all that often, and when I am it has always been by someone who dramatically outgears me, and even then they are doing 4-5k dps not any freaking 12k that people are talking about here.

    I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.

    12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.

    Single target heroics, yes, 12k is not gonna happen. It doesn't even happen, as you said, with most classes BiS on ICC bosses.

    However I can easily hit 12k on my 5k GS rogue and hunter on excessively large trash packs like the cave in PoS or if a tank is chain pulling.

    It's not that hard really.

    We have people in our ICC who do 25k+ on trash pulls.

    Ive hit 11k on my mage on last bosses in an instance. Last boss on H VH. Shammy Hit Hero, i had all my cds, and hit 11k, not moving at all, and not getting any spell pushback. Higher than that is def doable as im not geared to the hilt on my mage. Im sure ive hit 12 k as well on a boss, but this comparison is just stupid to be honest. At that point the fight lasts maybe what 15 to 20 seconds? Doesnt really tell you anything. So i have no doubt its possible, when popping everything and having lucky crits. I take my paly now into heroics with his crappy gear(Ret, compared to my holy gear). You should def be hitting more than 12 k on bosses in icc now tho, especially from the 15% buff going on. I think that was possible(barely) pre buffs. Not saying many can do it, but im sure its more common now than it used to be(especially rogues). If i can do 9.5k on saurfang on my rogue, there are def rogues can can hit a lot more(i was second in dps, got beaten by another rogue, a combat doing 11.5k)

  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    Does anyone even care about burst vs sustained anymore or has DPS devolved into who can top the meters in this given moment?

    I dunno, but I miss people asking for your DPS instead of gearscore + achievements. Gearscore means little, and achievements even less.

  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    Does anyone even care about burst vs sustained anymore or has DPS devolved into who can top the meters in this given moment?

    I dunno, but I miss people asking for your DPS instead of gearscore + achievements. Gearscore means little, and achievements even less.

    Not true. GS & Achievements means you have at least once found group of people willing to carry you through content. :P

    In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it. GS, much like any non doctorate degree, means that you have some small level of stick-to-it-ness and that you are willing to put in a modicum of effort to get something done.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    drhazard wrote: »
    EWom wrote: »
    End wrote: »
    Doing a heroic dungeon with a well geared arcane mage is really very silly.

    I agree I was healing one the other day and the dude was doing at least 9k on every boss, and trash packs just died while he ran by to the next one somehow.

    I ran at HVH with my new 80 warrior tanking. I was afraid everyone would be stealing aggro from me, but everything died from an arcane mage before they could.

    I tanked regular VH one time on a 73 DK. I didn't want to, but the same group of people had been looking for a tank in trade for a while, so I finally whispered the leader and offered to tank, but warned her that I would be pretty bad. They jumped at it, and we made it through OK because their dps output was good (they were all 75-78) but Oh my God it sucked for me, I couldn't keep threat to save my life.

  • reVersereVerse Never odd or even Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it.

    There are addons that can fake achievements.

  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The worst part of HVH is the 2 (might be 3) Elite Dragon packs that split in two directions. It's amazing to see how many well geared tanks have no idea what to do with that. Luckily there is almost always a gung-ho DPS that is more than willing to help pick up half the pack.

  • MutilateMutilate Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    reVerse wrote: »
    Mutilate wrote: »
    In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it.

    There are addons that can fake achievements.

    Fine, I ammend my statement to:

    In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have apparently been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it.

    Thats why people are checking for Achievements. No one wants to PUG a raid and have to explain every little part of it. Although I have a feeling that happens more often than not anyway.

    I am surprised no one has created an addon that fakes GS as well.

  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Mutilate wrote: »
    The worst part of HVH is the 2 (might be 3) Elite Dragon packs that split in two directions. It's amazing to see how many well geared tanks have no idea what to do with that. Luckily there is almost always a gung-ho DPS that is more than willing to help pick up half the pack.

    I may or may not have been that gung-ho DPS on my Shaman (well, in normal VH).

    I'm pretty sure there's only one of the dragon packs that does that, the one that comes out of the portal next to the voidwalker boss.

This discussion has been closed.