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I'm a fucking pin-ball in there with those goddamn shades. Usually I can group things okay on the first pull, but when that shade pops on the healer I try to shockwave the group and intercept the shade just to get aggro (taunt is boring! and sometimes on CD thanks to DPS!).
Yeah, I hardly ever use my taunt as a ranged pickup tool on my Warrior, if only because Warbringer is the greatest talent of all time and I love charging and intercepting. =)
This is generally me too, though I will post meters on occasion to get people to shut up because they are wrong. Usually it's DPS meters, but I've had to link the healing meters at least once due to a bad ret pally tank (no, you can't pull two rooms full of mobs while wearing leather and swinging a two-hander).
I keep my recount set to DPS when I run heroics, since healing meters are useless in heroics. Typically I see 2500-3500 DPS. Anything over that and I begin to take more notice. Occasionaly I see 5k+ and one time I saw an Elemental Shaman over 6k. He was doing 52% of the groups DPS. Average GS I see is probably 5200ish. So we have one of two things here. Either 1. The vast vast majority of DPSers don't know how to "properly DPS" or 2. Some people like to make generalizations and post inflated figures on an online forum. I am taking a Swiss stance on this so I will leave the conclusion to be made on an individual basis.
12k is pretty improbable. A couple of the BiS posts for certain specs barely break 12k and those assume the absolute best gear and flawless conditions. The highest I ever saw was 9k, which some crazy mage cranked out the whole instance. I personally put out 5-5,500 overall and 7-8k on bosses and that is in ICC10 normal gear (gs 5600) so if you see someone in similar gear putting out sub 4k, they basically suck.
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I did 1k last night in Heroic VH I was pumped.
SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
Single target heroics, yes, 12k is not gonna happen. It doesn't even happen, as you said, with most classes BiS on ICC bosses.
However I can easily hit 12k on my 5k GS rogue and hunter on excessively large trash packs like the cave in PoS or if a tank is chain pulling.
It's not that hard really.
We have people in our ICC who do 25k+ on trash pulls.
If you're watching an overall I'd say an average of 3k-4k is probably pretty standard for pretty geared people, because trash makes DPS numbers low due to the way it averages over time and calculates. I've never been able to figure out how recount actually calculates its DPS numbers, because I used to run heroics on my alt lock and a mage buddy of mine who was arcane would pop all his CDs and bust out 9 to 10k on short heroic bosses, whereas I'd be around 4-5k, but the difference in damage done would only be a few thousand. It must have something to do with spells cast over a certain amount of time or something, but his AB spam always produced insane 'DPS' numbers even compared to somebody else doing the same damage done.
That's because in groups you usually get better buffs, and the boss dummy is level 83, which you don't see in heroics. You're right about the numbers fluctuating greatly though.
Also, I run SKADA, people always go "WTF is SKADA, a broken mod?"
And then someone links recount and they are generally within 1% variance...
I love Skada for absorbs and it does seem less of a resource hog. But I missed my who targeted what breakdown from recount so I've switched back.
For all I know it's in Skada too, but damned if I could find it.
SW:Tor - Tao - Kryatt Dragon Server
3k for a heroic is good numbers, 4k is someone overgeared doing their daily random for frost badges.
;-p
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We had a boomkin and mage pull in about 32k on the alarm trash in the plague wing in ICC.
On the PoS cave trash I'll starfall and hurricane. I think I've hit 30K. I know I've hit 20K. (not bragging or anything since it is trash, it's just amusing to see the big numbers).
The unfortunate thing about vehicle sections and those SUPERPOWERED quests is that it totally makes the
'Highest crit/damage done' stat meaningless. Well... it would be fairly meaningless to begin with, but it would have been a fun stat to look at.
I have never seen overall dps in heroics get over 4000 due to ramp up time and the fact that most trash will die before any real rotation is created.
And heroic boss dps is really burst dps especially when moorabi dies in 10 seconds.
I agree I was healing one the other day and the dude was doing at least 9k on every boss, and trash packs just died while he ran by to the next one somehow.
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I ran at HVH with my new 80 warrior tanking. I was afraid everyone would be stealing aggro from me, but everything died from an arcane mage before they could.
Fun as hell for PvP.
Also amused: Those netherweave bags sure keep on selling fast.
Ive hit 11k on my mage on last bosses in an instance. Last boss on H VH. Shammy Hit Hero, i had all my cds, and hit 11k, not moving at all, and not getting any spell pushback. Higher than that is def doable as im not geared to the hilt on my mage. Im sure ive hit 12 k as well on a boss, but this comparison is just stupid to be honest. At that point the fight lasts maybe what 15 to 20 seconds? Doesnt really tell you anything. So i have no doubt its possible, when popping everything and having lucky crits. I take my paly now into heroics with his crappy gear(Ret, compared to my holy gear). You should def be hitting more than 12 k on bosses in icc now tho, especially from the 15% buff going on. I think that was possible(barely) pre buffs. Not saying many can do it, but im sure its more common now than it used to be(especially rogues). If i can do 9.5k on saurfang on my rogue, there are def rogues can can hit a lot more(i was second in dps, got beaten by another rogue, a combat doing 11.5k)
I dunno, but I miss people asking for your DPS instead of gearscore + achievements. Gearscore means little, and achievements even less.
Not true. GS & Achievements means you have at least once found group of people willing to carry you through content.
In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it. GS, much like any non doctorate degree, means that you have some small level of stick-to-it-ness and that you are willing to put in a modicum of effort to get something done.
I tanked regular VH one time on a 73 DK. I didn't want to, but the same group of people had been looking for a tank in trade for a while, so I finally whispered the leader and offered to tank, but warned her that I would be pretty bad. They jumped at it, and we made it through OK because their dps output was good (they were all 75-78) but Oh my God it sucked for me, I couldn't keep threat to save my life.
There are addons that can fake achievements.
Fine, I ammend my statement to:
In all honesty though, at least with achievements it means you have apparently been through the content and are at least somewhat familiar with it.
Thats why people are checking for Achievements. No one wants to PUG a raid and have to explain every little part of it. Although I have a feeling that happens more often than not anyway.
I am surprised no one has created an addon that fakes GS as well.
I may or may not have been that gung-ho DPS on my Shaman (well, in normal VH).
I'm pretty sure there's only one of the dragon packs that does that, the one that comes out of the portal next to the voidwalker boss.