Scam Artists

Sir Platypus

Viscount Islands

Speaking of scams I've recently discovered those large chat/porn-sites. I can't believe people spend money on this. You're spending money to see a girls bra or a guys ass? On the internet? Because they're 'real'? It's $1 a minute, basically and I bet each performer drags it out for as long as possible.

ObiFett

Bucketman wrote: »

I feel like Mormons are huge scammers. Basically I recently learned about this practice they call "Missionary Dating". So this girl I work with is Mormon, and this guy I work with likes here. Were talking High School kids here. They start dating but the girls family won't let them date unless he becomes Mormon, so he does. He joins the church, has constant meetings with the "Elder Council" who go over his life with a comb making sure hes good enough to be Mormon, and basically changes his whole life the entire time assuring his friends that he doesn't really believe in it, but hes in love. Fast forward a few weeks. Now hes completely alienated from his friends, has become a Deacon in the church, and goes for 4 services a week. He was accepted to Purdue for Engineering (one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country) but now is going to South Utah University so he can be close to this girl whos going to Mormon College for Mormons.

Hes hooked now, totally in and belives all their crazy shit. He has no friends outside the Mormon community now and they have people who watch him to make sure he doesn't stray from his path. When this guy was like 15 he had some stuff on his computer and got in trouble and was tried in a federal court, but it was sealed because he was a minor. Of course the church found out about it, because one of its members is a Federal Marshal who looked this stuff up for the girls dad (the Pasture at the church).

Oh heres the kicker, this girl said she couldn't be with someone who doesn't know charity for others, so she convinced him to go on a 2 year Mission Trip to Japan since he speaks Japanease. She has already said she won't wait for him and will be dating other people while hes gone.

Man got scammed. Hard.

I'm mormon and there are so many wrong things in this story that I don't even know where to start.

MrMonroe

getting a normal prostitute would probably be easier, cheaper, and more fulfilling

Viscount Islands

Yeah, exactly. Or even just buying membership to a high-quality porn site.

Melding

ObiFett wrote: »

Bucketman wrote: »

I feel like Mormons are huge scammers. Basically I recently learned about this practice they call "Missionary Dating". So this girl I work with is Mormon, and this guy I work with likes here. Were talking High School kids here. They start dating but the girls family won't let them date unless he becomes Mormon, so he does. He joins the church, has constant meetings with the "Elder Council" who go over his life with a comb making sure hes good enough to be Mormon, and basically changes his whole life the entire time assuring his friends that he doesn't really believe in it, but hes in love. Fast forward a few weeks. Now hes completely alienated from his friends, has become a Deacon in the church, and goes for 4 services a week. He was accepted to Purdue for Engineering (one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country) but now is going to South Utah University so he can be close to this girl whos going to Mormon College for Mormons.

Hes hooked now, totally in and belives all their crazy shit. He has no friends outside the Mormon community now and they have people who watch him to make sure he doesn't stray from his path. When this guy was like 15 he had some stuff on his computer and got in trouble and was tried in a federal court, but it was sealed because he was a minor. Of course the church found out about it, because one of its members is a Federal Marshal who looked this stuff up for the girls dad (the Pasture at the church).

Oh heres the kicker, this girl said she couldn't be with someone who doesn't know charity for others, so she convinced him to go on a 2 year Mission Trip to Japan since he speaks Japanease. She has already said she won't wait for him and will be dating other people while hes gone.

Man got scammed. Hard.

I'm mormon and there are so many wrong things in this story that I don't even know where to start.

start in the middle and work your way out.

Viscount Islands

I would like to hear Obi's views on the mormon story.

Penguin Incarnate

ObiFett wrote: »

Bucketman wrote: »

I feel like Mormons are huge scammers. Basically I recently learned about this practice they call "Missionary Dating". So this girl I work with is Mormon, and this guy I work with likes here. Were talking High School kids here. They start dating but the girls family won't let them date unless he becomes Mormon, so he does. He joins the church, has constant meetings with the "Elder Council" who go over his life with a comb making sure hes good enough to be Mormon, and basically changes his whole life the entire time assuring his friends that he doesn't really believe in it, but hes in love. Fast forward a few weeks. Now hes completely alienated from his friends, has become a Deacon in the church, and goes for 4 services a week. He was accepted to Purdue for Engineering (one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country) but now is going to South Utah University so he can be close to this girl whos going to Mormon College for Mormons.

Hes hooked now, totally in and belives all their crazy shit. He has no friends outside the Mormon community now and they have people who watch him to make sure he doesn't stray from his path. When this guy was like 15 he had some stuff on his computer and got in trouble and was tried in a federal court, but it was sealed because he was a minor. Of course the church found out about it, because one of its members is a Federal Marshal who looked this stuff up for the girls dad (the Pasture at the church).

Oh heres the kicker, this girl said she couldn't be with someone who doesn't know charity for others, so she convinced him to go on a 2 year Mission Trip to Japan since he speaks Japanease. She has already said she won't wait for him and will be dating other people while hes gone.

Man got scammed. Hard.

I'm mormon and there are so many wrong things in this story that I don't even know where to start.

Here's what I don't understand about that, if you join a cult, shouldn't you at least be getting laid? I mean, otherwise, what's the fucking point?

Artreus

CrossBuster wrote: »

Bucketman wrote: »

I feel like Mormons are huge scammers. Basically I recently learned about this practice they call "Missionary Dating". So this girl I work with is Mormon, and this guy I work with likes here. Were talking High School kids here. They start dating but the girls family won't let them date unless he becomes Mormon, so he does. He joins the church, has constant meetings with the "Elder Council" who go over his life with a comb making sure hes good enough to be Mormon, and basically changes his whole life the entire time assuring his friends that he doesn't really believe in it, but hes in love. Fast forward a few weeks. Now hes completely alienated from his friends, has become a Deacon in the church, and goes for 4 services a week. He was accepted to Purdue for Engineering (one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country) but now is going to South Utah University so he can be close to this girl whos going to Mormon College for Mormons.

Hes hooked now, totally in and belives all their crazy shit. He has no friends outside the Mormon community now and they have people who watch him to make sure he doesn't stray from his path. When this guy was like 15 he had some stuff on his computer and got in trouble and was tried in a federal court, but it was sealed because he was a minor. Of course the church found out about it, because one of its members is a Federal Marshal who looked this stuff up for the girls dad (the Pasture at the church).

Oh heres the kicker, this girl said she couldn't be with someone who doesn't know charity for others, so she convinced him to go on a 2 year Mission Trip to Japan since he speaks Japanease. She has already said she won't wait for him and will be dating other people while hes gone.

Man got scammed. Hard.

Holy shit

I mean, getting scammed out of 50 bucks must suck pretty bad

But getting scammed out of your entire life and any serious chance at happiness? Damn.

The way they went about it is super shitty but you do know there is a chance he could be very happy where he is and this is what he wants to do with his life now.

Penguin Incarnate

I have my doubts about anything good coming out of young, stupid man being jacked around by religion.

Raneados

religion can be used fr good

but it seems these days it's mostly used to turn a quick buck or fuck children

Artreus

Raneados wrote: »

religion can be used fr good

but it seems these days it's mostly used to turn a quick buck or fuck children

Because that's what you hear about. Lots of people go about their lives quietly enough with their faith and that does them plenty of good. Also probably a lot of small acts here and there.

It is just that the quick buck and child fucking are the loudest things.

But yeah I may seriously disagree with some things the mormon church as an entity has done but I've known mormons who are great people. So yeah this kid got jacked around but he could have discovered something that meant something to him besides the girl.

religion isn't always this evil thing a lot of people like to think of it as.

Although I guess as a corollary to that, it does kind of seem like a lot of organized religion that gets big and involved in a lot of people's lives never turns out good. Also basically any time EVER religion tries getting into politics.

Melding

Art, quit trying to sound reasonable.

Artreus

I don't wanna

But seriously though this thing bugs me: I grew up in an evangelical church and they would be more than happy with an American Christian theocracy. It is just so wrong. Your personal faith is fine and I can honestly understand the desire to convert others because from that point of view, these people are going to hell and if they could just see things the way you do they will be saved. So as long as you aren't a dick about it that kind of thing is fine. But taking your faith and imposing it upon people of other or no faiths by law? Fuck that. Fuck that forever

ObiFett

Viscount Islands wrote: »

I would like to hear Obi's views on the mormon story.

Ok. My thoughts as I read that story.

-There is no practice called "Missionary Dating". In my 29 years of life, that has never been taught in any church meeting ever. Of course there are idiot members of every church, so whatever.

-Not dating people who aren't mormon. ARGH! I know people who won't date "non-members" or even hang out with "non-members" for some irrational reason. Its usually because they fear they are going to be "bad" as a result of being around people with different standards. I mean come on. Either you have your standards or you don't. And if you are so weak that being around someone who is different than you makes you automatically do what they do, then you probably need to figure yourself out. I don't think I ever dated another mormon until after I was 20. Plus I constantly hung out with people who weren't mormon. It just meant that I was always the designated driver. Yay for gas money.

-"Elder Council"? There is no such thing in the church. There are missionaries, who go by the name "Elder so-and-so". So maybe its referring to that? Either way they don't go over your life in any way. They teach you the doctrines of the church and make sure you understand what it will mean to get baptized. Its totally the person who is being taught's call. Yes, I served a two-year mission.

-Choosing to go to another college to be around some chick you are in love with is a pretty consistent horrible choice that plenty of young people make. Can't blame that on the mormons. Plus there is no mormon college for mormons. BYU is as close as you are going to get to a mormon college, but anyone can go there, and I know plenty of non-mormons who do.

-Who are these people who are watching him to make sure he doesn't make wrong choices? I don't know of any weird fahrenheit 451 group within the church that monitors its members.

-Doesn't know charity, must go on mission? Went to Japan since he knows Japanese? First, the dude should have known by then that this chick is a controlling manipulative wench. Second, a mission is a choice he needs to make. My brother didn't go on a mission and that doesn't mean he believes any less in Christ. It just wasn't for him. That's way better than fake-dedicating two years to Christ when all you want to do is get in a girl's pants. Also, where you go is never determined by what language you know. I had friends who knew french but went to a spanish speaking area or just knew english and ended up in japan.

Basically, if this dude had listened to any of the Church's teachings he would have realized that the most important thing in this life is his Freedom to Choose. He should have started to use that and made choices for himself. If anything, this scam was one perpetrated by many women. Its called "You want to get into my pants? Ok, just let me change you into what I want you to be." I'm sure many men have dated women like that and they sure as hell weren't all mormon.

Artreus

Yeah, the whole not dating somebody outside of your belief system isn't as horrible as it sounds. It is a personal choice. I mean you should be able to choose the kind of person you want to be with. Some people are horrid bitches about it but some people are horrid bitches about everything.

It isn't the religion itself so much as some people taking shit way too far. I know some people in my church did and it pissed me off. Man stupid drama can happen there.. but then again stupid drama can happen anywhere so it isn't like these instances were exclusive to religion

BusterK

Well, whenever we have a dating thread here there are lots of people who are very vocal about not wanting to date outside their own belief system

TyrantCow

BusterK wrote: »

Well, whenever we have a dating thread here there are lots of people who are very vocal about not wanting to date outside their own belief system

boooooooooring

T. J. Nutty Nub

TyrantCow wrote: »

BusterK wrote: »

Well, whenever we have a dating thread here there are lots of people who are very vocal about not wanting to date outside their own belief system

boooooooooring

I'm sorry that is outside my belief system

BYToady

I refuse to date outside of myself.

Meta T. Dust

Hey there is a poster up there

what is before "to convert"

TyrantCow

flirt to convert

TyrantCow

aka. throw out that poon, and get stupid boys to do your bidding

or join your shit

or whatever

fucking women.

Artreus

fert to convert

Meta T. Dust

Artreus wrote: »

fert to convert

Very close to what I thought was happening

Penguin Incarnate

It's not so much that he's religious it's just that he seems to be getting into Mormonism for all the wrong reasons, especially when you consider that the people apparently responsible for bringing him into the fold seem to be hucksters.

Penguin Incarnate

As a Zoroastrian reformist and a fervent libertarian I've found it is very hard to date anyone that subscribes to my particular belief system. In fact, it's just hard to date anyone, period.

Tossrock

Penguin Incarnate wrote: »

It's not so much that he's religious it's just that he seems to be getting into Mormonism for all the wrong reasons, especially when you consider that the people apparently responsible for bringing him into the fold seem to be hucksters.

I'm pretty sure there's no 'right' reason to be getting into Mormonism

Penguin Incarnate

Well, with that said, if there is, I don't think it's to date a teenage girl.

Because, first of all, teenagers are the worst.

(I am assuming he and her are teenagers)

BusterK

Penguin Incarnate wrote: »

As a Zoroastrian reformist and a fervent libertarian I've found it is very hard to date anyone that subscribes to my particular belief system. In fact, it's just hard to date anyone, period.

It does help if you're willing to talk to people when you go outside

Meta T. Dust

Tossrock wrote: »

Penguin Incarnate wrote: »

It's not so much that he's religious it's just that he seems to be getting into Mormonism for all the wrong reasons, especially when you consider that the people apparently responsible for bringing him into the fold seem to be hucksters.

I'm pretty sure there's no 'right' reason to be getting into Mormonism

Chick throwin' around HJs isn't the worst reason, its not like you gotta buy anything.

Penguin Incarnate

First of all, Buster, fuck those people. I don't know them. They probably can't even quote Blade Runner line for line? Who wants to waste time with those kinds of people?

Artreus

Tossrock wrote: »

Penguin Incarnate wrote: »

It's not so much that he's religious it's just that he seems to be getting into Mormonism for all the wrong reasons, especially when you consider that the people apparently responsible for bringing him into the fold seem to be hucksters.

I'm pretty sure there's no 'right' reason to be getting into Mormonism

Because every Mormon/Mormon church out there is evil and out to get you

Penguin Incarnate

Artreus wrote: »

Tossrock wrote: »

Penguin Incarnate wrote: »

It's not so much that he's religious it's just that he seems to be getting into Mormonism for all the wrong reasons, especially when you consider that the people apparently responsible for bringing him into the fold seem to be hucksters.

I'm pretty sure there's no 'right' reason to be getting into Mormonism

Because every Mormon/Mormon church out there is evil and out to get you

I used to think this, then I realized that I was thinking of werewolves. That was an embarrassing realization.

BusterK

Werewolves aren't out to get you PI
They just want to steal your buck-toothed girlfriend

BYToady

Werewolves have had such bad PR since the internet brought the furries to light.

Penguin Incarnate

And all the murders.

BusterK

Just keep an eye on this one PI

Druhim

Bucketman wrote: »

I feel like Mormons are huge scammers. Basically I recently learned about this practice they call "Missionary Dating". So this girl I work with is Mormon, and this guy I work with likes here. Were talking High School kids here. They start dating but the girls family won't let them date unless he becomes Mormon, so he does. He joins the church, has constant meetings with the "Elder Council" who go over his life with a comb making sure hes good enough to be Mormon, and basically changes his whole life the entire time assuring his friends that he doesn't really believe in it, but hes in love. Fast forward a few weeks. Now hes completely alienated from his friends, has become a Deacon in the church, and goes for 4 services a week. He was accepted to Purdue for Engineering (one of the top 5 engineering schools in the country) but now is going to South Utah University so he can be close to this girl whos going to Mormon College for Mormons.

Hes hooked now, totally in and belives all their crazy shit. He has no friends outside the Mormon community now and they have people who watch him to make sure he doesn't stray from his path. When this guy was like 15 he had some stuff on his computer and got in trouble and was tried in a federal court, but it was sealed because he was a minor. Of course the church found out about it, because one of its members is a Federal Marshal who looked this stuff up for the girls dad (the Pasture at the church).

Oh heres the kicker, this girl said she couldn't be with someone who doesn't know charity for others, so she convinced him to go on a 2 year Mission Trip to Japan since he speaks Japanease. She has already said she won't wait for him and will be dating other people while hes gone.

Man got scammed. Hard.

uh, no
he scammed himself

there was no deception there
he was told plainly that he couldn't date her unless he joined the Mormon church, and the dolt went along with it
where is the scam? where did they trick him?

Artreus

Well duh dru, they are Mormons. That's the scam