From Zero to Hero-ic Age: Dark Reign is OVER, WE WON!

wirehead26

9 days till Siege ends. And I'm a bit sad that Initiative ends as well. I have the whole series and I think it still holds up.

DarkWarrior

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Hood's cool. The problem is that he doesn't get to be the protagonist and that he was a supporting villain for Dark Reign. That meant that he wasn't a driving force in the narrative, but rather a piece to be shuffled around and stretched to fit the demands of the story.

I like Hood and his gang of super crims, again like Osborn, this was an arc that was ignored greatly during Dark Reign, they could've done a lot of interesting things, hell they could've conquered Manhattan together. I hope he doesn't get killed off and finds a new way to get his power.

psycojester

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

The Hood is just a magic kingpin who will never be as interesting as the kingpin and has a success rate about on par with Apocalypse

No he isn't, he's the Anti-Spiderman with a fancy cloak.

The Lovely Bastard

psycojester wrote: »

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

The Hood is just a magic kingpin who will never be as interesting as the kingpin and has a success rate about on par with Apocalypse

No he isn't, he's the Anti-Spiderman with a fancy cloak.

an anti-spider-man huh?

sure never seen one of them

Spoiler:

Robos A Go Go

Venom doesn't invert Spider-Man's personality traits, though.

The Lovely Bastard

yes he does

see spider-man is very staunchly against eating brains and being a lethal protector

whereas venom sees it as it being ain't nothin' but a thing

The Lovely Bastard

in summation:

eff the hood

Munch

The Hood should change his last name to Lewis.

Then he can't lose.

DarkWarrior

The Kingpin is lame, his shtick is outdated to the extreme. Big guy but really hes just all muscle and uber strong and he runs everything and BLAH, the Hood actually united all the villains, that there is a bigger accomplishment than any of Fisk's crappy crimes.

Robos A Go Go

Kingpin's hindered by the fact that he's a mastermind-type whose role limits the scope of his scheming to such a small level that it's generally below the notice of anyone but Daredevil. He's a decent villain to DD in that respect, but there's no reason a character like that should have that much influence over the super-villain community. That's why they needed a new character like the Hood to function as the head of the super-criminals, thereby bringing them to a level where they posed a threat to the likes of the Avengers.

The Lovely Bastard

Munch wrote: »

The Hood should change his last name to Lewis.

Then he can't lose.

okay see munch this is why you are my dogg

cshadow42

The Hood took a bunch of B-listers and made them interesting and significant, even without the Norn Stones power-up. I like the Hood being behind the villains as opposed to the Latverian government in Secret War.

ManetherenWolf

The Lovely Bastard wrote: »

Munch wrote: »

The Hood should change his last name to Lewis.

Then he can't lose.

okay see munch this is why you are my dogg

Im not sure whats worse... The joke or that I got it.

Munch

I'm still not sure how the Hood became King of the Supervillains.

Like, the dude went from a semi-competent thug with a magic cape, to ordering around the Wrecking Crew. That progression still makes no sense to me. If it was as easy as beating up West Coast Avengers and busting supervillains out of jail, you'd think someone would have done it before.

TexiKen

Why you be dissing Avengers West Coast, brah? They kicked more ass during their time than the regular team did.

Munch

As a team, sure.

Individually?

Ehhh.

TexiKen

Well Vision drags down any team, because he's a hella lame paperweight who just cant accept being a robot.

Hawkeye, USAgent, Iron Man, Spider-Woman (Arachne), Wonder Man, War Machine, that's prime time.

psycojester

Munch wrote: »

I'm still not sure how the Hood became King of the Supervillains.

Like, the dude went from a semi-competent thug with a magic cape, to ordering around the Wrecking Crew. That progression still makes no sense to me. If it was as easy as beating up West Coast Avengers and busting supervillains out of jail, you'd think someone would have done it before.

The Hood has Super abilities to manage health funds.

The Lovely Bastard

well the one thing I will give the hood credit for

is he did use a deathlok

Gank

Also the Hood used good ol' fashioned greed to motivate most of the super-villains, and when that failed either shot someone or took back the norn-stones power-up.

I think if they managed to stabilise (or permenantly remove) his powers he could really come into his own, i just hope they dont hero-ise him.

Furu

Hood also rid the world of Vampiro. He is superior.

But yeah, Kingpin is played out. There's a reason Bendis straight-up offed his Ultimate counterpart and replaced him with a more interesting character.

Solar

Furu wrote: »

Hood also rid the world of Vampiro. He is superior.

But yeah, Kingpin is played out. There's a reason Bendis straight-up offed his Ultimate counterpart and replaced him with a more interesting character.

it's certainly an upside about the Ultimate Universe that writers can do that.

The Lovely Bastard

well neither the kingpin nor the hood were as cool as the big man anyway

so whateva

DarkWarrior

I think the Hood is very cool when given the opportunity. Of course even with overwhelming power hes still written to lose to 6 heroes so its hard to make him look good.

Wildcat

Pffft, Hammerhead's power is to come back from the dead. You've gotta admit, that's a handy ability for a crime lord.

DarkWarrior

The Hood can RAISE the dead.

And you could never take Hammerhead seriously.

Hensler

The best Marvel crimelord was Black Tarantula, before Brubaker completely changed everything about the character with no explanation.

Wildcat

DarkWarrior wrote: »

The Hood can RAISE the dead.

I can foresee a franchise operation in their future.

Robos A Go Go

Hammerhead's a crime boss? But he's also working for the Maggia or Mr. Negative.

Mr. Negative, by the way, is pretty cool too. I'm also surprised that his storyline has been dragged out for so long.

Furu

Hensler wrote: »

The best Marvel crimelord was Black Tarantula, before Brubaker completely changed everything about the character with no explanation.

My only exposure is to the one in the Spider-Girl series and he seems so amazingly over the top.

Laser eyes

Hensler

Furu wrote: »

Hensler wrote: »

The best Marvel crimelord was Black Tarantula, before Brubaker completely changed everything about the character with no explanation.

My only exposure is to the one in the Spider-Girl series and he seems so amazingly over the top.

Laser eyes

Yeah, he really is great.

DarkWarrior

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Hammerhead's a crime boss? But he's also working for the Maggia or Mr. Negative.

Mr. Negative, by the way, is pretty cool too. I'm also surprised that his storyline has been dragged out for so long.

I think Mr Negative is restricted in that Ive only seen him in his one shot and Spider-Man so hes a fairly weak crime-boss, he only operates in China Town and no heroes ever go to China Town. They're super racists apparently.

The Lovely Bastard

come on

everyone knows the real reason they don't go to chinatown

Spoiler:

cardboard delusions

That's my boss's desktop picture, he calls his wife lo pan.

Wildcat

Your boss is pretty awesome.

psycojester

DarkWarrior wrote: »

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Hammerhead's a crime boss? But he's also working for the Maggia or Mr. Negative.

Mr. Negative, by the way, is pretty cool too. I'm also surprised that his storyline has been dragged out for so long.

I think Mr Negative is restricted in that Ive only seen him in his one shot and Spider-Man so hes a fairly weak crime-boss, he only operates in China Town and no heroes ever go to China Town. They're super racists apparently.

That's one thing i hope we get out of Shadowlands, i'd like to see some more focus on the various crime lords of New York butting heads and fighting for power and turf. Like Gangs of New York with super-powers.

TexiKen

Siege #4 preview

Outside of the free preview that was made for Christmas Day that we now know was Loki (which might not be in the collection), has Loki been in any of the Siege issues? I know he just had an issue of Avengers and his one-shot dealing with Hela, but that's a bit like key Blackest Night stuff happening in GL.

wirehead26

Loki made a brief cameo in the first issue of Siege but hasn't shown up in the main series since.

cshadow42

I think in the Siege #4 preview, Loki is giving Odin a line of bull in order for Odin to let him use the Norn Stones. I think everything is going according to Loki's plan, including the Void going ape-shit.

wirehead26

Eh, I think Loki honestly didn't know how powerful the Void really was and what would happen to Asgard if he was set loose. It's not like he can see the future.