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[Let's Play] Final Fantasy 'II' - What DOES Spoony Mean? (Ch10 - 5/17/10)

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    C2B wrote: »
    Even looking back at this inferior translation, Rydia's story still makes me :( everytime.

    If only the rest of the game followed suit with the whole Redemption theme, instead of jumping the [strike]shark[/strike] moon whale.

    I don't think that the moon bit was jumping the shark here. I mean, you were basically in hell before that. o_O

    Also wasn't the sci-fi bit not just a recurring theme in the earlier FF's?

    What really made me o_O about this game was what started with Kain.
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    I mean EVERYTHING.

    The cid of this game is honestly the "chuck norris" of Final Fantasy with the whole
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    See, I have no problem with the "sacrifices" made. The story took it to a particular extreme to tug at the player's heartstrings, but anyone who's played the game beyond the opening sequences is going to know "I can always use a Phoenix Down/Life Potion".

    I watch my characters explode with Fire 3, get impaled by icicles with Ice 3, and eat several gigawatts of power with Lit 3, then take several meteors in the face. As long as one person survives - Phoenix Down!
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    Fast forward to FF7: Aeris' death is complete bullshit. You've been getting cut up for 15 or so hours at that point. But one stab and she's never coming back? Yeah, yeah, it's 10+ years old at this point, I know.

    That's the power of the cutscene. It can giveth and taketh away whenever it likes. :)

    PS: Please remember to use spoiler boxes for future game events, El.

    PPS: You can talk openly about other games like FF7 though. I don't care. ;)

  • Cyrus106Cyrus106 Registered User
    Quick question, I understand that FFII became FFIV in translation or whatever, but that leaves me asking, what is FFIII? I've never ever seen it.

  • SneezerSneezer Registered User
    Diddn't all the FF's get put into proper order? like The American releases now coinnicide with the Japanese rellease

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Cyrus106 wrote: »
    Quick question, I understand that FFII became FFIV in translation or whatever, but that leaves me asking, what is FFIII? I've never ever seen it.
    Sneezer wrote: »
    Diddn't all the FF's get put into proper order? like The American releases now coinnicide with the Japanese rellease

    Here's how it went (in my opinion). Japan were producing Final Fantasy games quicker then they were translated. One explanation could be that the console-RPG genre wasn't exactly tried and true here in the States yet. By the time it was seen that actual money could be made off of this and Nintendo decided to port the first game over, Square had three in the bag already and were probably in the middle of making #4 for the new Super Famicom.

    So Nintendo (and/or Square) had a dilemma. They could port FF2 and FF3 over, but they could end up not making as big a hit as the first game did, especially with FF2's love it or hate it 'leveling' system. FF4 on the other hand was a much more noticeable step up from the first game and was for a new system they wanted to sell. Slapping the proper title on it though would probably make players ask one too many questions. So they retitled it as FF-'II' and went on with that. FF6 would get the same treatment, getting labeled as FF-'III'.

    Things finally got cleared up when by the time FF7 was pushed out the door (taking up a development span of three years), Square and Nintendo were no longer bosom-buddies, letting Square (and Sony) drop the naming blame on Nintendo and leave the game with the proper numbering.

  • Cyrus106Cyrus106 Registered User
    Owenashi wrote: »
    Cyrus106 wrote: »
    Quick question, I understand that FFII became FFIV in translation or whatever, but that leaves me asking, what is FFIII? I've never ever seen it.
    Sneezer wrote: »
    Diddn't all the FF's get put into proper order? like The American releases now coinnicide with the Japanese rellease

    Here's how it went (in my opinion). Japan were producing Final Fantasy games quicker then they were translated. One explanation could be that the console-RPG genre wasn't exactly tried and true here in the States yet. By the time it was seen that actual money could be made off of this and Nintendo decided to port the first game over, Square had three in the bag already and were probably in the middle of making #4 for the new Super Famicom.

    So Nintendo (and/or Square) had a dilemma. They could port FF2 and FF3 over, but they could end up not making as big a hit as the first game did, especially with FF2's love it or hate it 'leveling' system. FF4 on the other hand was a much more noticeable step up from the first game and was for a new system they wanted to sell. Slapping the proper title on it though would probably make players ask one too many questions. So they retitled it as FF-'II' and went on with that. FF6 would get the same treatment, getting labeled as FF-'III'.

    Things finally got cleared up when by the time FF7 was pushed out the door (taking up a development span of three years), Square and Nintendo were no longer bosom-buddies, letting Square (and Sony) drop the naming blame on Nintendo and leave the game with the proper numbering.

    I see, thanks for clearing that up.

  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    That's the power of the cutscene. It can giveth and taketh away whenever it likes. :)

    PS: Please remember to use spoiler boxes for future game events, El.

    PPS: You can talk openly about other games like FF7 though. I don't care. ;)

    Ah, crap, yeah. I totally forgot. This being an LP and all, spoilers for relevant story. Sorry.

    I went ahead and spoiled the FF7 part too, for the one person interested in this thread who's never played FF7 and doesn't know what happens. :P

  • C2BC2B Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »

    That's the power of the cutscene. It can giveth and taketh away whenever it likes. :)

    Oh no, its waaaaaaaay simpler.

    You do not mix story with gameplay....

    YOU DO NEVER MIX STORY WITH GAMEPLAY



    Because that usually results in really bad fourth wall breaking or plotholes.

    Best examples therefore are the end of cd 1 of FFVIII and the following sentence which spawned hunderds of fan theories and just messes the story up.

    Or that certain bit at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2. Though I still think Kojima had to be possesed by several mixed substances (Pun totally intended) when he wrote that ending.


    Well at least these are the ones i remember most fondly.

  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Time for a new chapter. This might be the end of the two-fer per week since I need to start building back my chapter-buffer. This one's a little long too though it's not completely my fault as you'll see. :)

    Final Fantasy 'II' - Chapter 7: One-Harp Angel
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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Bah, my editing and pacing skills are indeed quite poor. Anyway, enjoy the update!

    Final Fantasy 'II' - Chapter 8: Five Sneezes Of Death
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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Ah, Achooo. Son of Asniz, I believe.

    :)

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  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    Still good stuff so far.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    I need to play this game again. Maybe after I'm done with my current play through of FF6.

    I'm pretty sure I've got it somewhere for my DS.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Registered User regular
    One of my favourite sections of the game is coming up. *squee*

  • NocrenNocren Still AwesomeRegistered User regular
    God I can't wait to see how this plays out.

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    I'll probably make an update this Monday and maybe toss in a small bonus as well.

  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    It's Monday, so it's time for an update!

    Final Fantasy 'II' - Chapter 9: Frantic Fighting At Fabul
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    Like I mentioned a couple of days ago, I also have a bit of a bonus included with this chapter at no extra cost to you. :) Just a look at one of the songs from the game that I haven't linked or posted multiple versions of yet!

    Final Fantasy 'II' - iBard 1: The Red Wings
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  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Registered User regular
    My favourite version of Red Wings is the one by Powerglove. It's more of a medley of the game's themes, but it's pretty boss (pun intended).

  • SlayerVinSlayerVin Registered User
    This is great! I just finished up Final Fantasy V advance again and was thinking about playing some FFIV. Now, not only do I not need to, but I have something to do when I'm bored at work. Woo!

    BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS!
  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Time for a new chapter, no thanks to the distraction that's called Kamen Rider Kiva! ^.^;

    Final Fantasy 'II' - Chapter 10: Frantic Fighting At Fabul 2: Electric [strike]Jedi Lightning[/strike] Boogaloo
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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist Registered User regular
    My favourite version of Red Wings is the one by Powerglove. It's more of a medley of the game's themes, but it's pretty boss (pun intended).

    lol, Final Fantasy II, The Rock Opera.

    I can almost hear Styx in the wailing guitars.

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  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Rydia Swimsuit Edition Sunny Fort Myers, FLRegistered User regular
    I hereby dub this one of the greatest LPs I have ever seen (and I'm not just saying that because it's my favorite game in the series). Love your comedic timing.

    Rydia!!! <3<3<3

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    I hereby dub this one of the greatest LPs I have ever seen (and I'm not just saying that because it's my favorite game in the series). Love your comedic timing.

    Rydia!!! <3<3<3

    I didn't wanna give my thread a(nother) self-post bump but my low self-esteem forces me to argue with your opinion even though it makes me very happy to hear it. :) I'm just tossing in what strikes me as humorous. There's other folks, both here and elsewhere, that have done much better LPs then I and more speedy with their updates too.

  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Registered User regular
    Yeah, but they'll pick shitty games. This is a game a LOT of people will agree is classic and you're giving it due attention and good humour.

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Yeah, but they'll pick shitty games. This is a game a LOT of people will agree is classic and you're giving it due attention and good humour.

    Limed for great truthitude.

    I really look forward to all of your updates, even if I don't post something every time. FF2 is one of my all-time favorites, and you are definitely doing it justice. :)

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    Next scene that happens is when the game officially jumps the shark for me.
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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Next scene that happens is when the game officially jumps the shark for me.
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    I'm not sure I'd call what happens next the 'next scene' or the jumping the shark moment of the game.
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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    I've mentioned this before, but I still stand by my argument that FFIV would have been the best story of the entire franchise had this been the primary dynamic:
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    It's a truly endearing (and interesting) relationship that becomes tragically downplayed as the stakes get higher and higher (until it's literally out of this world).

    I think about a version of FFIV that focuses on redemption and sacrifice and I sit awestruck at how awesome that would be.

  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist Registered User regular
    Hot damn Professor! What's that graphic from???

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Hot damn Professor! What's that graphic from???

    I was thinking the same thing. In fact, I was also thinking of adding it to the OP once we get to a certain point in the game. Not exactly fanart as it looks pretty official but I'll take what I can get and credit you for it, Prof. :)

  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    Hot damn Professor! What's that graphic from???

    A site that's far from worksafe (although supposedly there's a worksafe equivalent).

    Oh, and the text says "Don't cry". So damn cute.

    I really wish the Japanese fans (who, let's face it, draw way better then we do minus a few standouts from deviantart) would put such alternate concepts like the one I mentioned into their doujins, instead of porn and....more porn. And then more porn after that.

    The only semi non-hentai FF project I've seen is this FFXI running comic featuring adaptions of the creators' original characters.

  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Hot damn Professor! What's that graphic from???

    A site that's far from worksafe (although supposedly there's a worksafe equivalent).

    Oh, and the text says "Don't cry". So damn cute.

    I really wish the Japanese fans (who, let's face it, draw way better then we do minus a few standouts from deviantart) would put such alternate concepts like the one I mentioned into their doujins, instead of porn and....more porn. And then more porn after that.

    The only semi non-hentai FF project I've seen is this FFXI running comic featuring adaptions of the creators' original characters.

    Would that be Fred Perry's Level Up?

  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    No, it's a Japanese made one. I have no idea what it's called or what the hell is going on in each strip. It just looks pretty and, for once, is worksafe.

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