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[Doctor Who] will not allow criticism of his screwdriver

BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
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Wikipedia wrote:
Doctor Who is a British science fiction television programme produced by the BBC. The programme depicts the adventures of a mysterious alien time-traveller known as "the Doctor" who travels in his space and time-ship, the TARDIS, which normally appears from the exterior to be a blue 1950s police box. With his companions, he explores time and space, solving problems, facing monsters and righting wrongs.

How do I watch this incredible series?

If you live in the UK, you can tune in on Saturday evening on BBC One. If you can't make that time, but do live in the UK, you can use the BBC iPlayer to view each week's episode fairly soon after airing times, as well as past episodes of the present season if they're still available.

If you live in the great once-colonies across the Atlantic from us, you will have to watch it on BBC America. Sadly, due to the unfortunate events of 1775, each episode airs two weeks later for you. For this reason...

Spoilers Rules!

Please tag all your spoilers. At a minimum, please keep spoiler tags for two episodes back; any and all major plot spoilers (e.g. Amy is the Doctor's Twelfth regeneration, etc.) should be kept tagged until season's end.

Spoiler Tag anything after The Hungering Earth please.

But I want Old Who!

Courtesy of Bad-Beat: Classic Doctor Who on BlinkBox

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    So, Moffat's bringing a much more fantastical air to the series. I like it.
    If he comes up with this many new ideas for every episode, though, how long before he runs out?

  • nwrabenwrabe Registered User regular
    Xagarath wrote: »
    So, Moffat's bringing a much more fantastical air to the series. I like it.
    If he comes up with this many new ideas for every episode, though, how long before he runs out?

    Two episodes in, and it's pretty clear that both my hopes and fears of Moffat taking over are coming true. On the plus side, the fears are seeming inconsequential, at least so far. (Beware spoilers from the last 5 years.)

    Hope: Time travel is no longer just how they get to the plot, but actually frequent plot device.
    Spoiler:

    Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.
    Spoiler:

    I was afraid that without dire consequences it wouldn't feel like Who, but so far it's just different, and still the same. Plus, I can't wait for more temporal shenanigans.

  • BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
    (regarding the OP, I'll update it a little with seasonal stuff (spoiler of course), and if anyone has any more information on other legal avenues for watching Doctor Who they think should go in the OP, point them out)

    Regarding today's episode;
    Spoiler:

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Registered User regular
    I enjoyed the first half of the episode, with all it's creepy tension-ratcheting more than the second but it was still a good episode.
    Spoiler:

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    nwrabe wrote: »

    Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.

    People die on Doctor Who. For a children's show, that's probably a big deal, but it's no so different from original Grimm fairy tales. Through the shows history, lots of characters have died, and it's even been mentioned in the show that where the Doctor goes, death follows. People get zapped, eaten, melted, EXTERMINATED, blown up, mutated, shot, incinerated, mind controlled, and otherwise killed in just about every episode. At least, until The Doctor Dances. Now, at the time, it was novel. "Just this once, everybody lives!" brought a smile to my face. But it wasn't just that once. No one really gets killed in Blink with the only species in the galaxy to kill you nicely. Dying of natural causes isn't quite the same. Especially since it also happened in The Girl in the Fireplace. And then, at the end of the Forest of the Dead, it turns out that even the dead aren't "really" dead. Just "mostly" dead, which is a little alive, though living in a virtual world. But it definitely seems like Moffat has trouble killing off characters.
    Spoiler:

    People died in all the episodes you mentioned.

    The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour died. The Doctor was just a little too late, and could only read her sad farewell letter while watching her casket leave Versailles. Her death was off-screen and natural, but had more emotional punch than 200 nameless extras getting exterminated.

    Blink: The four angels are stuck in stone looking at each other forever; effectively dead. Also, that black guy who got sent back to the 60s died just after giving Sally Sparrow the Doctor's message. The Doctor told him that would be the day he died, and it would rain. It was not a spectacular explosive death, but it was a moving one as Sally looked out the rainy window.

    Forest of the Dead: Several people in the expedition in the Library died, eaten by the shadow things. Remember the skeletons in spacesuits and the green neural things blinking off?
    Spoiler:

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  • BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
    Psst, Richy. Big text. OP. Something about 'spoiler tagging'.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Psst, Richy. Big text. OP. Something about 'spoiler tagging'.
    Fixed, sorry. Each show's thread seems to have different spoiler rules. Lost only spoiler upcoming stuff, Chuck doesn't seem to spoiler anything at all...

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  • NuzakNuzak Registered User regular
    Bethryn wrote: »
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    glad i'm not the only one who thought this

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    wetflame wrote: »
    Actually, something's just occurred to me.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Great episode. It really captured the feel of a lot of my favorite old Who stories - episodes like The Pirate Planet, or Terminus, or Vengeance on Varos, or even Paradise Towers - where the Doctor runs afoul of the authorities in some bizarre future society with a dark secret. It's a classic mold and one the new series hasn't really touched on outside of "The Long Game" and "Bad Wolf" in series one.

    On the downside were some of the issues with subtlety or the lack thereof that other posters have already commented on, but that's hardly a dealbreaker.

  • Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    Hey, Bethryn. Do you want to add this link to the OP?

    Classic Doctor Who on BlinkBox

    Not every episode, but a good way to watch some classic doctor who legally. Has an advert at the start and the middle but still pretty decent.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
    Spoiler:
    is already growing on me.

    I was also pleased by the reappearance of
    Spoiler:

  • Slacker1913Slacker1913 Registered User regular
    I like the way they seem to be turning the screwdriver into just a tool instead of a universal get-out-of-jail-free card

  • wetflamewetflame Registered User
    The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
    Spoiler:
    is already growing on me.

    I was also pleased by the reappearance of
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

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  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    I like Matt Smith more than David Tennant already. I might be a bit early to be this positive, but these two episodes have really solid IMO.

    Also, Smith does angry a lot better than Tennant.

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  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    I like Matt Smith more than David Tennant already. I might be a bit early to be this positive, but these two episodes have really solid IMO.

    Also, Smith does angry a lot better than Tennant.

    Moving away from Moffat scripts starting next week, so there's still plenty of scope for you to be disappointed :P.

    Though definitely not week.

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  • MrIamMeMrIamMe Registered User regular
    I like how they are making it one big arc, by having the previous episode lead directly into the next.

    The bit at the end with the phone had me chuckling.

    The enemy of my enemy is my cannon-fodder, we are NOT friends.
  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    MrIamMe wrote: »
    I like how they are making it one big arc, by having the previous episode lead directly into the next.

    The bit at the end with the phone had me chuckling.

    I am really hoping (okay spoilers for rizzle now)
    Spoiler:

    Also also, have I commented that what seems to be the new "Strange, Strange Creatures" music (heard here in the
    Spoiler:
    ) is really growing on me? It reminds me of the music from Brazil.

  • AroducAroduc Awaiting Email Confirmation
    Hey guys, did you all notice that
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    Yeah, I really despised that part. It was already hammered in to hell and back... and then Moffat just kept going. It was a decent episode though. I wasn't a big fan of Liz and I thought the water crap was simultaneously too obvious and then overblown, as was all the button stuff. A little more subtlety would have done the episode a lot of good. Moffat going to clockwork robots again also bugged me.

  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    Also also also! All I could think of as the episode went on:
    Spoiler:

  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Okay Moffat you write good script but I'm still putting you on notice.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Basically, I'm watching out for your love of 'basically' with a critical eye.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    New thread, same old post.
    Is it just me or is Matt Smith like the best doctor ever, at least better than the last 5.

    I won't go that far, but I'm liking him quite a bit. He finally seems to be pulling away from Tennant's Doctor and creating his own persona and personality.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
    Spoiler:
    is already growing on me.

    I'm really digging it too.
    Spoiler:

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    I just started watching the new series.

    So when are we going to see Amy as a French Maid?

  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    "Amy, we need to infiltrate this intergalactic frat party, but the TARDIS chameleon circuit is busted!"
    Spoiler:

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  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    nwrabe wrote: »

    Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.

    People die on Doctor Who. For a children's show, that's probably a big deal, but it's no so different from original Grimm fairy tales. Through the shows history, lots of characters have died, and it's even been mentioned in the show that where the Doctor goes, death follows. People get zapped, eaten, melted, EXTERMINATED, blown up, mutated, shot, incinerated, mind controlled, and otherwise killed in just about every episode. At least, until The Doctor Dances. Now, at the time, it was novel. "Just this once, everybody lives!" brought a smile to my face. But it wasn't just that once. No one really gets killed in Blink with the only species in the galaxy to kill you nicely. Dying of natural causes isn't quite the same. Especially since it also happened in The Girl in the Fireplace. And then, at the end of the Forest of the Dead, it turns out that even the dead aren't "really" dead. Just "mostly" dead, which is a little alive, though living in a virtual world. But it definitely seems like Moffat has trouble killing off characters.
    Spoiler:

    People died in all the episodes you mentioned.

    The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour died. The Doctor was just a little too late, and could only read her sad farewell letter while watching her casket leave Versailles. Her death was off-screen and natural, but had more emotional punch than 200 nameless extras getting exterminated.

    Blink: The four angels are stuck in stone looking at each other forever; effectively dead. Also, that black guy who got sent back to the 60s died just after giving Sally Sparrow the Doctor's message. The Doctor told him that would be the day he died, and it would rain. It was not a spectacular explosive death, but it was a moving one as Sally looked out the rainy window.

    Forest of the Dead: Several people in the expedition in the Library died, eaten by the shadow things. Remember the skeletons in spacesuits and the green neural things blinking off?
    Spoiler:

    I watched Blink again recently, and it occurs to me that the angels are only stuck until the light-bulb runs out, at which point it becomes dark and the angels stop being able to see one another. So, they're not left in statue form forever, like Sally Sparrow's love interest claimed.

  • HiveHive Registered User
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    I watched Blink again recently, and it occurs to me that the angels are only stuck until the light-bulb runs out, at which point it becomes dark and the angels stop being able to see one another. So, they're not left in statue form forever, like Sally Sparrow's love interest claimed.

    And even if they could see each other in the dark, someone would eventually try to move them out of the basement.

  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    wetflame wrote: »
    The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
    Spoiler:
    is already growing on me.

    I was also pleased by the reappearance of
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    In the old series? Loads and loads and loads, starting with the Thals (hereditary enemies of the Daleks) in the second ever broadcast story.

  • EddieDeanEddieDean Registered User
    That was another pretty great episode. I've always liked Moffat's episodes because he tends to like making the doctor more epic, something this episode did too. The dialogue never feels forced with Moffat, unlike with RTD.

    I love the new doctor, but I can see the housewives demographic being turned off by him.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Xagarath wrote: »
    wetflame wrote: »
    The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
    Spoiler:
    is already growing on me.

    I was also pleased by the reappearance of
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    In the old series? Loads and loads and loads, starting with the Thals (hereditary enemies of the Daleks) in the second ever broadcast story.

    Also, the Daleks themselves, back when they were the Kaleds. But yeah, practically every planet the Doctor visited in the old show involved human-looking people who weren't from Earth; there just wasn't a way to give makeup or prosthetics to that many speaking characters. In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.

    For a while it looked like the new show was going to do the Star Trek thing of kind of quietly glossing over its pre-makeup and CGI past, so I thought it was interesting that Davies explicitly brought back non-Earth humans in "Voyage of the Damned," although that remains the only time we've seen them on the new show. I wonder if that will ever be addressed.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    At this very moment I'm watching "The Green Death" on Netflix and being reminded of everything I loved about the Third Doctor era: real-world settings, surly workmen in flat caps complaining of layoffs, balding government functionaries with bad combovers and hideous suits, hapless milkmen eaten by aliens, and asshole bureaucrats trying to lord it over the Brigadier. It's not too much of an exaggeration to say that this and "Are You Being Served" formed the basis of what I imagined the UK to be like for the longest time as a child.

  • BogartBogart Registered User regular
    This episode felt like a familiar story, and as everyone has said, an anviliciously unsubtle ending, but I still liked it immensely.

    I also like the trail into next week's show at the end of the episode ("It's the Prime Minister." - "Which one?").

  • JonBobJonBob Registered User regular
    wetflame wrote: »
    Have there been any non-human races other than Time Lords that didn't have any sort of makeup/prosthetics?
    Sure. In the classic series the Kaleds immediately spring to mind, among many others. In the new series it's less common because they like to hammer home the "humans have gone everywhere in the galaxy" thing, but the people from Sto on the Titanic are a good example.

    Edit: Huh, I guess I missed the whole second page when I posted this. Oh well.

  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    I like Matt Smith more than David Tennant already. I might be a bit early to be this positive, but these two episodes have really solid IMO.

    Also, Smith does angry a lot better than Tennant.

    Moving away from Moffat scripts starting next week, so there's still plenty of scope for you to be disappointed :P.

    Though definitely not week.

    Isn't it a Mark Gatiss one? I can't wait :)

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
    Except that doesn't really make sense. What about the Guardians? The Eternals? The Daemons (possibly)? Kronos? There are quite a few time-travelling races that predated the Time Lords.

  • BethrynBethryn Registered User regular
    Also also also! All I could think of as the episode went on:
    Spoiler:
    Yeah, exactly the same here.

  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    EddieDean wrote: »
    That was another pretty great episode. I've always liked Moffat's episodes because he tends to like making the doctor more epic, something this episode did too. The dialogue never feels forced with Moffat, unlike with RTD.

    I love the new doctor, but I can see the housewives demographic being turned off by him.

    Fortunately the lack of the housewives demographic will be countered by every male past puberty with a pulse tuning in to watch Amy Pond.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Tough on mime. Tough on the causes of mime Registered User regular
    The step in quality since RTD left is amazing. I'm back on the Doctor Who horse.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
    Except that doesn't really make sense. What about the Guardians? The Eternals? The Daemons (possibly)? Kronos? There are quite a few time-travelling races that predated the Time Lords.

    The Guardians and the Eternals look human too. :P I don't know, you'd have to take it up with the writer of the novel. It's an issue within the show, too - the Doctor encounters monsters that are older than time every other week, while at the same time the Time Lords are supposed to be special and unique.

  • Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User
    Bethryn wrote: »
    Also also also! All I could think of as the episode went on:
    Spoiler:
    Yeah, exactly the same here.

    I was like "Fire the rocket engine Doctor!"

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  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    I like Matt Smith more than David Tennant already. I might be a bit early to be this positive, but these two episodes have really solid IMO.

    Also, Smith does angry a lot better than Tennant.

    Moving away from Moffat scripts starting next week, so there's still plenty of scope for you to be disappointed :P.

    Though definitely not week.

    Isn't it a Mark Gatiss one? I can't wait :)

    It is :D.

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