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Doctor Who is a British science fiction television programme produced by the BBC. The programme depicts the adventures of a mysterious alien time-traveller known as "the Doctor" who travels in his space and time-ship, the TARDIS, which normally appears from the exterior to be a blue 1950s police box. With his companions, he explores time and space, solving problems, facing monsters and righting wrongs.
How do I watch this incredible series?
If you live in the UK, you can tune in on Saturday evening on BBC One. If you can't make that time, but do live in the UK, you can use the BBC iPlayer to view each week's episode fairly soon after airing times, as well as past episodes of the present season if they're still available.
If you live in the great once-colonies across the Atlantic from us, you will have to watch it on BBC America. Sadly, due to the unfortunate events of 1775, each episode airs two weeks later for you. For this reason...
Spoilers Rules!
Please tag all your spoilers. At a minimum, please keep spoiler tags for two episodes back; any and all major plot spoilers (e.g. Amy is the Doctor's Twelfth regeneration, etc.) should be kept tagged until season's end.
Spoiler Tag anything after The Hungering Earth please.
So, Moffat's bringing a much more fantastical air to the series. I like it.
If he comes up with this many new ideas for every episode, though, how long before he runs out?
So, Moffat's bringing a much more fantastical air to the series. I like it.
If he comes up with this many new ideas for every episode, though, how long before he runs out?
Two episodes in, and it's pretty clear that both my hopes and fears of Moffat taking over are coming true. On the plus side, the fears are seeming inconsequential, at least so far. (Beware spoilers from the last 5 years.)
Hope: Time travel is no longer just how they get to the plot, but actually frequent plot device.
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I'm a sucker for any story that uses the ramifications of time travel beyond the usual "I haven't been born yet!" fluff. Moffat gave us Blink, The Girl in the Fireplace, The Silence in the Library, Time Crash, and even The Empty Child which kicked off Captain Jack/time agent stuff. So, I was looking forward to more stories with lots of temporal convolutions, and so far, Moffat's delivered. Granted, this last episode was a little closer to Total Recall, but that still gets a thumbs up in my book. Now, sure, this can't keep up through the series, but with promises of River Song returning, and the heavy foreshadowing with "the Crack", I feel safe getting my hopes up.
Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.
Spoiler:
People die on Doctor Who. For a children's show, that's probably a big deal, but it's no so different from original Grimm fairy tales. Through the shows history, lots of characters have died, and it's even been mentioned in the show that where the Doctor goes, death follows. People get zapped, eaten, melted, EXTERMINATED, blown up, mutated, shot, incinerated, mind controlled, and otherwise killed in just about every episode. At least, until The Doctor Dances. Now, at the time, it was novel. "Just this once, everybody lives!" brought a smile to my face. But it wasn't just that once. No one really gets killed in Blink with the only species in the galaxy to kill you nicely. Dying of natural causes isn't quite the same. Especially since it also happened in The Girl in the Fireplace. And then, at the end of the Forest of the Dead, it turns out that even the dead aren't "really" dead. Just "mostly" dead, which is a little alive, though living in a virtual world. But it definitely seems like Moffat has trouble killing off characters. So far this series, we've still got 0 deaths. There were some off-screen casualties before the Doctor's arrival, and that one floor of the hospital was "killed" by Prisoner Zero, but it's not really clear what happened to any of them since we never saw anything.
But you know what? The new series still has the same sense of danger, suspense, and tension as it should have. Largely, it moves along quickly enough that you don't notice that characters aren't dropping like flies, but everyone can't keep living charmed lives forever. Probably once we get to an episode not written by Moffat, or once the Daleks come back and do what they do best.
I was afraid that without dire consequences it wouldn't feel like Who, but so far it's just different, and still the same. Plus, I can't wait for more temporal shenanigans.
(regarding the OP, I'll update it a little with seasonal stuff (spoiler of course), and if anyone has any more information on other legal avenues for watching Doctor Who they think should go in the OP, point them out)
Regarding today's episode;
Spoiler:
Loved the Space Whale reveal. The "Gotcha" bit at the end was a bit weird; I'd forgotten the scene it was in reference to. Amy is very Doctor-like in her curiosity.
The Smilers/Winders were a bit odd. Cool in an MOTW sense, but seemed a little out of place given the episode's light political theme. Why would you create Winders? Why would you make your security element androids in the theme of old Victorian things.
Liz10 was... childishly cool. A little too much Lara Croft for me, but I imagine she goes down well with the younger fans.
Matt Smith did angry really well this episode. Tennant's bitter anger at the regeneration last season felt a bit too personal; Smith's "nobody human," line felt much more acceptable given the situation.
Is the Crack following Amy or is the Doctor following the Crack? It was a little heavy-handed, but I think you can choose between subtlety and outright declaration sometimes.
I enjoyed the first half of the episode, with all it's creepy tension-ratcheting more than the second but it was still a good episode.
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I think the crack could have been better implemented though, it felt kinda tacked on their at the end. Like in the first episode where the oscilloscope in the tardis shows a wave in the shape of the crack, more subtle like that.
Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.
People die on Doctor Who. For a children's show, that's probably a big deal, but it's no so different from original Grimm fairy tales. Through the shows history, lots of characters have died, and it's even been mentioned in the show that where the Doctor goes, death follows. People get zapped, eaten, melted, EXTERMINATED, blown up, mutated, shot, incinerated, mind controlled, and otherwise killed in just about every episode. At least, until The Doctor Dances. Now, at the time, it was novel. "Just this once, everybody lives!" brought a smile to my face. But it wasn't just that once. No one really gets killed in Blink with the only species in the galaxy to kill you nicely. Dying of natural causes isn't quite the same. Especially since it also happened in The Girl in the Fireplace. And then, at the end of the Forest of the Dead, it turns out that even the dead aren't "really" dead. Just "mostly" dead, which is a little alive, though living in a virtual world. But it definitely seems like Moffat has trouble killing off characters.
Spoiler:
So far this series, we've still got 0 deaths. There were some off-screen casualties before the Doctor's arrival, and that one floor of the hospital was "killed" by Prisoner Zero, but it's not really clear what happened to any of them since we never saw anything.
People died in all the episodes you mentioned.
The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour died. The Doctor was just a little too late, and could only read her sad farewell letter while watching her casket leave Versailles. Her death was off-screen and natural, but had more emotional punch than 200 nameless extras getting exterminated.
Blink: The four angels are stuck in stone looking at each other forever; effectively dead. Also, that black guy who got sent back to the 60s died just after giving Sally Sparrow the Doctor's message. The Doctor told him that would be the day he died, and it would rain. It was not a spectacular explosive death, but it was a moving one as Sally looked out the rainy window.
Forest of the Dead: Several people in the expedition in the Library died, eaten by the shadow things. Remember the skeletons in spacesuits and the green neural things blinking off?
Spoiler:
The latest special: Prisoner Zero died. He explicitly said that if his jailers caught him, they'd kill him. His reason for hiding on earth was "if I am to die, let there be fire."
Psst, Richy. Big text. OP. Something about 'spoiler tagging'.
Fixed, sorry. Each show's thread seems to have different spoiler rules. Lost only spoiler upcoming stuff, Chuck doesn't seem to spoiler anything at all...
They've stopped torturing the Star Whale, but it still needs to eat, are they going to keep feeding it naughty people? Also, why would they try feeding children to it if it doesn't eat them?
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I think the feeding people to the whale was more to remove troublemakers than to actually power the thing; and besides, before being harnessed, the whale was presumably able to find its own food - maybe they just let it do its thing.
My guess about the kids is that, since they couldn't be left to go to the surface and tell people the truth, and since we saw them being led into the Tower headquarters, that they probably are inducted into the order of hooded dudes.
Great episode. It really captured the feel of a lot of my favorite old Who stories - episodes like The Pirate Planet, or Terminus, or Vengeance on Varos, or even Paradise Towers - where the Doctor runs afoul of the authorities in some bizarre future society with a dark secret. It's a classic mold and one the new series hasn't really touched on outside of "The Long Game" and "Bad Wolf" in series one.
On the downside were some of the issues with subtlety or the lack thereof that other posters have already commented on, but that's hardly a dealbreaker.
The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
Spoiler:
sonic screwdriver
is already growing on me.
I was also pleased by the reappearance of
Spoiler:
"You look Time Lord."
Spoiler:
I also liked that coming back. I was thinking about it this week, whether there was some relation between Time Lords and Humans or not, as they're the only two species that look alike as far as I can remember. Have there been any non-human races other than Time Lords that didn't have any sort of makeup/prosthetics?
the Star Whale is very old, very lonely, and very kind? Notice my clever parallels!
The Doctor's decision to make the whale a vegetable was really upsetting, though - and Matt Smith is much better at low-key anger and desperation than Tennant. I just hope Moffat's learnt something about subtlety off him.
Yeah, I really despised that part. It was already hammered in to hell and back... and then Moffat just kept going. It was a decent episode though. I wasn't a big fan of Liz and I thought the water crap was simultaneously too obvious and then overblown, as was all the button stuff. A little more subtlety would have done the episode a lot of good. Moffat going to clockwork robots again also bugged me.
Is it just me or is Matt Smith like the best doctor ever, at least better than the last 5.
I won't go that far, but I'm liking him quite a bit. He finally seems to be pulling away from Tennant's Doctor and creating his own persona and personality.
Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.
People die on Doctor Who. For a children's show, that's probably a big deal, but it's no so different from original Grimm fairy tales. Through the shows history, lots of characters have died, and it's even been mentioned in the show that where the Doctor goes, death follows. People get zapped, eaten, melted, EXTERMINATED, blown up, mutated, shot, incinerated, mind controlled, and otherwise killed in just about every episode. At least, until The Doctor Dances. Now, at the time, it was novel. "Just this once, everybody lives!" brought a smile to my face. But it wasn't just that once. No one really gets killed in Blink with the only species in the galaxy to kill you nicely. Dying of natural causes isn't quite the same. Especially since it also happened in The Girl in the Fireplace. And then, at the end of the Forest of the Dead, it turns out that even the dead aren't "really" dead. Just "mostly" dead, which is a little alive, though living in a virtual world. But it definitely seems like Moffat has trouble killing off characters.
Spoiler:
So far this series, we've still got 0 deaths. There were some off-screen casualties before the Doctor's arrival, and that one floor of the hospital was "killed" by Prisoner Zero, but it's not really clear what happened to any of them since we never saw anything.
People died in all the episodes you mentioned.
The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour died. The Doctor was just a little too late, and could only read her sad farewell letter while watching her casket leave Versailles. Her death was off-screen and natural, but had more emotional punch than 200 nameless extras getting exterminated.
Blink: The four angels are stuck in stone looking at each other forever; effectively dead. Also, that black guy who got sent back to the 60s died just after giving Sally Sparrow the Doctor's message. The Doctor told him that would be the day he died, and it would rain. It was not a spectacular explosive death, but it was a moving one as Sally looked out the rainy window.
Forest of the Dead: Several people in the expedition in the Library died, eaten by the shadow things. Remember the skeletons in spacesuits and the green neural things blinking off?
Spoiler:
The latest special: Prisoner Zero died. He explicitly said that if his jailers caught him, they'd kill him. His reason for hiding on earth was "if I am to die, let there be fire."
I watched Blink again recently, and it occurs to me that the angels are only stuck until the light-bulb runs out, at which point it becomes dark and the angels stop being able to see one another. So, they're not left in statue form forever, like Sally Sparrow's love interest claimed.
I watched Blink again recently, and it occurs to me that the angels are only stuck until the light-bulb runs out, at which point it becomes dark and the angels stop being able to see one another. So, they're not left in statue form forever, like Sally Sparrow's love interest claimed.
And even if they could see each other in the dark, someone would eventually try to move them out of the basement.
The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
Spoiler:
sonic screwdriver
is already growing on me.
I was also pleased by the reappearance of
Spoiler:
"You look Time Lord."
Spoiler:
I also liked that coming back. I was thinking about it this week, whether there was some relation between Time Lords and Humans or not, as they're the only two species that look alike as far as I can remember. Have there been any non-human races other than Time Lords that didn't have any sort of makeup/prosthetics?
In the old series? Loads and loads and loads, starting with the Thals (hereditary enemies of the Daleks) in the second ever broadcast story.
That was another pretty great episode. I've always liked Moffat's episodes because he tends to like making the doctor more epic, something this episode did too. The dialogue never feels forced with Moffat, unlike with RTD.
I love the new doctor, but I can see the housewives demographic being turned off by him.
The one part of the new series I thought I would absolutely definitely hate, the new (spoilers?)
Spoiler:
sonic screwdriver
is already growing on me.
I was also pleased by the reappearance of
Spoiler:
"You look Time Lord."
Spoiler:
I also liked that coming back. I was thinking about it this week, whether there was some relation between Time Lords and Humans or not, as they're the only two species that look alike as far as I can remember. Have there been any non-human races other than Time Lords that didn't have any sort of makeup/prosthetics?
In the old series? Loads and loads and loads, starting with the Thals (hereditary enemies of the Daleks) in the second ever broadcast story.
Also, the Daleks themselves, back when they were the Kaleds. But yeah, practically every planet the Doctor visited in the old show involved human-looking people who weren't from Earth; there just wasn't a way to give makeup or prosthetics to that many speaking characters. In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
For a while it looked like the new show was going to do the Star Trek thing of kind of quietly glossing over its pre-makeup and CGI past, so I thought it was interesting that Davies explicitly brought back non-Earth humans in "Voyage of the Damned," although that remains the only time we've seen them on the new show. I wonder if that will ever be addressed.
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At this very moment I'm watching "The Green Death" on Netflix and being reminded of everything I loved about the Third Doctor era: real-world settings, surly workmen in flat caps complaining of layoffs, balding government functionaries with bad combovers and hideous suits, hapless milkmen eaten by aliens, and asshole bureaucrats trying to lord it over the Brigadier. It's not too much of an exaggeration to say that this and "Are You Being Served" formed the basis of what I imagined the UK to be like for the longest time as a child.
Have there been any non-human races other than Time Lords that didn't have any sort of makeup/prosthetics?
Sure. In the classic series the Kaleds immediately spring to mind, among many others. In the new series it's less common because they like to hammer home the "humans have gone everywhere in the galaxy" thing, but the people from Sto on the Titanic are a good example.
Edit: Huh, I guess I missed the whole second page when I posted this. Oh well.
In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
Except that doesn't really make sense. What about the Guardians? The Eternals? The Daemons (possibly)? Kronos? There are quite a few time-travelling races that predated the Time Lords.
That was another pretty great episode. I've always liked Moffat's episodes because he tends to like making the doctor more epic, something this episode did too. The dialogue never feels forced with Moffat, unlike with RTD.
I love the new doctor, but I can see the housewives demographic being turned off by him.
Fortunately the lack of the housewives demographic will be countered by every male past puberty with a pulse tuning in to watch Amy Pond.
In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
Except that doesn't really make sense. What about the Guardians? The Eternals? The Daemons (possibly)? Kronos? There are quite a few time-travelling races that predated the Time Lords.
The Guardians and the Eternals look human too. I don't know, you'd have to take it up with the writer of the novel. It's an issue within the show, too - the Doctor encounters monsters that are older than time every other week, while at the same time the Time Lords are supposed to be special and unique.
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If he comes up with this many new ideas for every episode, though, how long before he runs out?
Two episodes in, and it's pretty clear that both my hopes and fears of Moffat taking over are coming true. On the plus side, the fears are seeming inconsequential, at least so far. (Beware spoilers from the last 5 years.)
Hope: Time travel is no longer just how they get to the plot, but actually frequent plot device.
Fear: Death is no longer the Doctor's constant companion.
But you know what? The new series still has the same sense of danger, suspense, and tension as it should have. Largely, it moves along quickly enough that you don't notice that characters aren't dropping like flies, but everyone can't keep living charmed lives forever. Probably once we get to an episode not written by Moffat, or once the Daleks come back and do what they do best.
I was afraid that without dire consequences it wouldn't feel like Who, but so far it's just different, and still the same. Plus, I can't wait for more temporal shenanigans.
Regarding today's episode;
The Smilers/Winders were a bit odd. Cool in an MOTW sense, but seemed a little out of place given the episode's light political theme. Why would you create Winders? Why would you make your security element androids in the theme of old Victorian things.
Liz10 was... childishly cool. A little too much Lara Croft for me, but I imagine she goes down well with the younger fans.
Matt Smith did angry really well this episode. Tennant's bitter anger at the regeneration last season felt a bit too personal; Smith's "nobody human," line felt much more acceptable given the situation.
Is the Crack following Amy or is the Doctor following the Crack? It was a little heavy-handed, but I think you can choose between subtlety and outright declaration sometimes.
People died in all the episodes you mentioned.
The Girl in the Fireplace: Madame de Pompadour died. The Doctor was just a little too late, and could only read her sad farewell letter while watching her casket leave Versailles. Her death was off-screen and natural, but had more emotional punch than 200 nameless extras getting exterminated.
Blink: The four angels are stuck in stone looking at each other forever; effectively dead. Also, that black guy who got sent back to the 60s died just after giving Sally Sparrow the Doctor's message. The Doctor told him that would be the day he died, and it would rain. It was not a spectacular explosive death, but it was a moving one as Sally looked out the rainy window.
Forest of the Dead: Several people in the expedition in the Library died, eaten by the shadow things. Remember the skeletons in spacesuits and the green neural things blinking off?
glad i'm not the only one who thought this
My guess about the kids is that, since they couldn't be left to go to the surface and tell people the truth, and since we saw them being led into the Tower headquarters, that they probably are inducted into the order of hooded dudes.
Great episode. It really captured the feel of a lot of my favorite old Who stories - episodes like The Pirate Planet, or Terminus, or Vengeance on Varos, or even Paradise Towers - where the Doctor runs afoul of the authorities in some bizarre future society with a dark secret. It's a classic mold and one the new series hasn't really touched on outside of "The Long Game" and "Bad Wolf" in series one.
On the downside were some of the issues with subtlety or the lack thereof that other posters have already commented on, but that's hardly a dealbreaker.
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Classic Doctor Who on BlinkBox
Not every episode, but a good way to watch some classic doctor who legally. Has an advert at the start and the middle but still pretty decent.
I was also pleased by the reappearance of
Also, Smith does angry a lot better than Tennant.
Moving away from Moffat scripts starting next week, so there's still plenty of scope for you to be disappointed
Though definitely not week.
The bit at the end with the phone had me chuckling.
I am really hoping (okay spoilers for rizzle now)
Also also, have I commented that what seems to be the new "Strange, Strange Creatures" music (heard here in the
Yeah, I really despised that part. It was already hammered in to hell and back... and then Moffat just kept going. It was a decent episode though. I wasn't a big fan of Liz and I thought the water crap was simultaneously too obvious and then overblown, as was all the button stuff. A little more subtlety would have done the episode a lot of good. Moffat going to clockwork robots again also bugged me.
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Basically, I'm watching out for your love of 'basically' with a critical eye.
I won't go that far, but I'm liking him quite a bit. He finally seems to be pulling away from Tennant's Doctor and creating his own persona and personality.
I'm really digging it too.
So when are we going to see Amy as a French Maid?
I watched Blink again recently, and it occurs to me that the angels are only stuck until the light-bulb runs out, at which point it becomes dark and the angels stop being able to see one another. So, they're not left in statue form forever, like Sally Sparrow's love interest claimed.
And even if they could see each other in the dark, someone would eventually try to move them out of the basement.
In the old series? Loads and loads and loads, starting with the Thals (hereditary enemies of the Daleks) in the second ever broadcast story.
I love the new doctor, but I can see the housewives demographic being turned off by him.
Also, the Daleks themselves, back when they were the Kaleds. But yeah, practically every planet the Doctor visited in the old show involved human-looking people who weren't from Earth; there just wasn't a way to give makeup or prosthetics to that many speaking characters. In one of the novels it was speculated that this was because the Time Lords, as the first race in the universe to become "temporally transcendent," inadvertently left their imprint on the fabric of reality so that it was more likely that other species would evolve to look like them.
For a while it looked like the new show was going to do the Star Trek thing of kind of quietly glossing over its pre-makeup and CGI past, so I thought it was interesting that Davies explicitly brought back non-Earth humans in "Voyage of the Damned," although that remains the only time we've seen them on the new show. I wonder if that will ever be addressed.
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
I also like the trail into next week's show at the end of the episode ("It's the Prime Minister." - "Which one?").
Edit: Huh, I guess I missed the whole second page when I posted this. Oh well.
Isn't it a Mark Gatiss one? I can't wait
Fortunately the lack of the housewives demographic will be countered by every male past puberty with a pulse tuning in to watch Amy Pond.
The Guardians and the Eternals look human too.
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
I was like "Fire the rocket engine Doctor!"
It is