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The PAX Pokemon League (UPDATE: HALL OF FAME!)
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1. If you only want one game then pick Pokemon Platinum.
2. This event sounds open to everyone who wants to compete, so yes.
3. In Pokemon, Gym Leaders are NPCs who you battle to earn their Gym badge. Once you have defeated all 8 gyms you can take on the Elite Four, who are tougher than the Leaders. The OP is suggesting to do the same thing in person, with gamers as the Leaders/Elites.
4. Show up with your pokemon team which follows the rules outlined by the OP. It sounds like you'll need to defeat a certain number of Leaders to earn "badges" (probably just buttons) and be able to take on the Elite 4.
Last question... I promise! Speaking from a position of complete ignorance, is it reasonable to develop a "team" of 6 level 100 pokemon before PAX (given a casual "I'm playing this for fun in my spare time" play schedule)?
The wonderful thing about Pokemon is that when you battle other people via Wifi, etc you can have the game automatically set your pokemon's level to level 50 or 100 (or just whatever level they are). You could easily have a team of level 58 pokemon but still be able to use them at their level 100 numbers.
As far as IF you will have a team like that or not really depends on how serious you want to play the game, be competitive, and how much you like it. For a casual player, though, it shouldn't be too hard for you to get a team of 6 to level 70 before PAX. From there you can let the automatic scaling take over.
Admitedly, I'm not the most experienced with playing multiplayer Pokemon, but my experiments have led me to believe that you're half right here. As far as my experiences have led me to believe, when battling in wi-fi, you can indeed scale to level 50 or 100, but if you're battling via local wireless, then you're stuck with the teams at the level you have them set to. For example, my team is currently ranging from lvl 1-45 right now. I'll try to put the four intervening months to good use.
After reading the OP again, it looks like we're going to be doing local wireless, as attempting to connect to Wi-Fi during PAX is going to be a regular Charlie-Foxtrot.
If I'm missing anything please feel free to correct me, but I'm almost positive that this means that we have to level up our teams to lvl 100?
Also, don't worry about not being up to speed on "years of backstory"... the basic premise is the same in every game. You want to be the best Pokemon Trainer, and eventually succeed. Everything else is really just window dressing.
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If you sent me mail about being a Gym leader, or an elite four member, expect a PM reply soon.
still looking for a few more people though, so we're still open, and types/themes to gyms have yet to be decided.
now to answer some questions:
This is EXACTLY right.
Gym leaders especially are meant to be beat.
also, as to the "all level 100" thing of all the GL and E4 pokemon, with the gym leaders having fewer than 6 pokemon, even if someone has a team of about lvl 70 pokemon, they can at least beat a gym leader.
That would work wonderfully.
I think one gym leader expressed a desire to do a gym of all fossil pokemon.
if you have any questions post them here, and I'll try to answer them.
and again, last call going out for GL and E4 members. only about 4 spots left (but again, we don't need 4 more, but about 4 more would be nice)
Can't wait to see you at PAX!
Recently at a local con we held the annual pokemon spanish tournament...and boy it was great! Some misterious loner from nowhere beat the whole PKMN Spain staff, it was asm
So...I would be interested in any position (Challenger, Gym Leader, E4). Just tell me what's needed and I would be glad to help.
Oh, and have you mentioned already the other rules that should be followed? Sleep loss, No abilities that increase your dodge chance, etc? Those are the usual ones around here (don't really know about the US, but I think Smogon people use them too).
The Uber list should be banned completely, in my opinion, for everyone. And that includes Garchomp and Woobufet (specially Woobu
What GL positions are still free?
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I JUST SENT OUT THE FIRST LIST for GYM LEADERS!!!!
if you sent me your e-mail, and you didn't get an e-mail, check spam etc. and then send it to me again.
also I'm pretty sure there is still room for more applicants to be gym leaders and what not, so hustle up!
Got a particular team in mind, but can't catch certain Pokemon in your version?
Shoot me a PM. I'll get your Pokemon and trade 'em to you online.
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yeah, i can't seem to find any mew running around in my game, could you hook me up?
still trying to figure that out... but I fixed the OP to reflect things we've decided on. good catch!
*I like how it's VGC rules and not Smogon rules. It reminds everyone that Smogon doesn't rule Pokemon battles XD
yeah so we're gonna get together, with 2 ds's, 2 pokemon games. we'll link up and fight some mans. one person will win. if it's the challenger, they'll get a badge!
lol, [/sarcasm]. I'm not the boss on this thing, but if you start throwing more complexity into something that you want a lot of people to partake in, that very complexity will alienate many of those people. I think we should keep it simple, with the restrictions being no ubers, a set number of pokemon for leaders and e4, and some level limitations.
I agree completely. Anything beyond that and my interest in the PPL will be significantly lowered.
It doesn't matter if a player has 3 Pokemon at LV100 vs 6 Pokemon at LV70. The LV100 player will win if they know what they're doing =P
Of course I'm fine with whatever OP decides on, this is their brainchild after all, but I do believe that there needs to be a set of rules that all people understand before team building gets started.
I agree, the more complex it is the less interested people there will be, but if you think about it this way, this will take out all the scrubs and whiners and potentially leave only the people that fully understand what is going on. I wouldn't want to have to explain why certain legendaries are banned (smogon/VGC format) and why others aren't. I'd prefer to play a match, win/lose and go on with the event.
I'm going to go back and clean up the OP in about a week, and that should help with the confusion. The gym leaders and elite four are just now finishing sorting everything out and I'll post the list of GL types and what not soon.
do note that ALL GYM LEADERS AND ELITE FOUR will be using level 100 pokemon (almost) exclusively.
What I'm doing is saying that some gym leaders may have a total of 300 levels accross their party, and others will have other numbers.
that might mean 4 level 75s, 3 100s, or 6 50s. you'll never know. just as long as it adds up to less than (or equal to) the given number.
as I said before, there will be minimal restrictions on challengers. and Remember wheaton's law. we're relying on it a lot
Let me see if I understand you, GL/E4 will have a level total they have to stay under, but challengers can run around with 6 lvl 100's? Ehhhhh... 3 100's is hardly a fight against 6 especially in doubles. Even if you bring 6 50's it wouldn't be close to fair. Also, if you're using VGC '10 rules, then it's 4v4 doubles with two in reserve for switching between battles. If you are only picking SOME of the rules to follow it'd be nice to know which those are...
PM thespiffyneostar, I'm sure he'll accommodate you. Cosplay for the league sounds interesting...
As for the league rules, yeah, simple is best. I don't actually see any rules linked in the OP, but I think the following ruleset seems reasonable:
I don't really think there'd be any need for anything more than this...
Cosplay would be cool, or at least some sort of identification to show that you are a part of this... funky hat, over sized Pokeball, gravity defying hair... that sort of thing XD
For identification, there'll at least be the armbands with badge symbols. We'll probably want to have some sort of image or document that can be printed out with all the identification marks as well as rules/regulations.
The more I think about it, the worse the prospects of having this carried out without difficulty. Enthusiasm can only go so far, the logistics don't seem to be quite there yet. Time commitments for gym leaders/elites and having a reasonable number of badges seem to be the sticking points for me right now.
Matches really don't take that long, especially VGC '10 rules. Unless some epic stall war happens I can't imagine them going over 10 min. Not too long, and a great time killer in line.
I have no idea how badges are being done or any ideas for them. Buttons? Everyone loves buttons. Find out the latest buttons can be made/ordered so that we have a semi-accurate head count and then order? Group pay via pay pal or on site IDK... I guess it really depends on the number of challengers appear >.>
especially a lot of the gym leaders. this is designed to be doable.
it's also designed to be possible to beat at least 1 or 2 gym leaders without haveing a team of ALL 100s. That way everyone can participate.
ALSO, I'm oging back now and updating the OP with all the new info and totally re-writing it.
look out soon for info on Gym leaders and elite four and what types/themes their teams have.
anyways, I went and cleaned up the first post. please let me know if I screwed anything up...
in-game the leaders are all around your level, assuming you didn't grind, and they always seem to have one or two pokemon that can easily sweep you if you don't have enough Potions. Also, E4, I don't know about the rest of you, but my first run and sometimes later runs, I use A LOT of items, meaning it would be almost impossible to beat E4 + Champion without Revives/Potions which are not usable over the wireless. Just something to ponder.
in-anime the main character always seems to have issues and sometimes loses once or twice. I don't really have much else to say, haven't watched the show in a long time XD
For example: Although Brock, the first Rock GL in R/B/Y only has a Geodude and an Onix, they are at the same level, or close to, where you are. Also considering the Pokemon around that are catchable, the only real surefire way to beat him is if you picked Squirtle/Bulbasaur.
tl;dr themes are cool, but same number/same level should be implemented. That's my two cents. It isn't that hard to grind to 50 or so and remember, HG/SS has a mode that brings everything down (not up though) to lvl 50. This may sound like complaining or arguing, I can see how it can be so, but personally it's more fun to have a tough but doable battle rather than a stupidly easy battle... >.>
*EDIT* Just read the OP, I still don't like the total level cap, but w/e. Challenger can use 6 lvl 100 but GL mite only use 3? In double battles as well? GL doesn't stand a chance... mite as well be giving out free badges >.> but w/e
This is meant to be a challenge (come Elite four) for those who are prepared, and accessible for those who hear about it through word of mouth at PAX.
yes gym leaders will lose, Just like in the game and the anime. They are hurdles meant to be overcome. Just note that not everyone can jump as high as you can.
we might just make it so that challengers have the option of challenging in flat battle mode IF the Gym Leader or elite four member can accomodate, but that would be a stick wicket if someone has flat battled all the way to the last elite 4 dude only to realize they can't flat battle them because the last elite four member still uses diamond/pearl.
I'm still trying to figure this out...
I'll let you know if wecome up with anything...
Yes, creating a level cap would make things accessable for those without level 100 pokemon, but it would also make things less accessible to those with a strong team all higher than the level cap.
yes, again Flat battle would solve this, but the issue is that not everyone has HG or SS, and I'm not going to gauruntee that anyone will.
if you have HG or SS, sure It can be arranged that you can choose to flat battle against all the gym leaders (but remember if you come accross a gym leader using 4 level 75s, they become 4 level 50s so it's not always going to be easier)
If you decide to stick with the flat battle/free level 100 paradigm, then it's a good idea to restrict gym leaders/elites to that standard as well. (As mentioned, the system already heavily encourages this.) Then it'll just be a question of the number of Pokemon on each team rather than using the messy math of level sum caps.
EDIT: Thinking about it though, if the system has a free level 100 side to it, that kind of renders the flat battle side unused, since to compete, challengers will want a roster of Level 100s themselves. No perfect solution, hmm? Just gotta do what you think is best.
I want to talk Pokemon with fellow PAXers. Maybe get a "badge" or two.
I'd rather show up with a Level 1 Mudkip, lose the battle, and then discuss tactics/teams/builds than sit around arguing because someone didn't follow the rules to the letter. The latter seems to be likely at this point.
Our main rule - above everything else - is definitely to have fun!
These rules discussions are for those that are competitive players, so we don't have a conflict later. My personal philosophy is that if you don't try to abuse the rules - IE, have an all-legendary team, et cetera, I will do my best to accommodate you and make sure you have fun.
Edit: I just looked over the last two pages of the thread. I really hope we're not scaring off the people we're trying to attract with this. Right now we're just trying to get the rules squared away so it would be fun for all challengers. Unfortunately, this means being overly technical at times.
If the idea of going around fighting random people for badges appeals to you - even if you don't know anything about the game and just have a regular team of Pokemon - then come back in a week or so when we post the new rules. You should enjoy this event!
If you own a 6-player uber level 100 ev-trained team, then you'll probably curbstomp most of the gym leaders, but may have some issues with the E4. We may have to adjust difficulty based on experience, but not all of the leaders are competitive players. In fact, I'd guess that most of us aren't?