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  • SoundsPlushSoundsPlush yup, back. Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I don't think there's a mention of it, since it's a bonus objective and just nets you cash if I'm remembering correctly.

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  • vamenvamen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Anyone have performance problems with this on PC? I run a lot of much prettier games silky smooth but this one studders in odd places. Looking for tweaks now but thought I'd post and see if this is a common problem.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Where exactly does it stutter, 1. when you are near transitions where it'd be loading new level stuff, 2. when you move the mouse, 3. opening menus?

    3 is noticeably better if you restart, 2 seems to be a bit better if you force v-sync off, and there are more esoteric ini mods to solve 1

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  • BiopticBioptic Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    vamen wrote: »
    Anyone have performance problems with this on PC? I run a lot of much prettier games silky smooth but this one studders in odd places. Looking for tweaks now but thought I'd post and see if this is a common problem.

    Yeah - unfortunately this is an effect of the way the game loads new areas in the middle of existing ones, causing the odd lurch. It shouldn't be too prevalent though, although some are noticing it more than others. I've heard you can get around this by fiddling with the loading method in the .ini, but haven't tried it myself.

    Oh - and make sure you turn off motion blur, as it makes everything look awful even if performance is unaffected.

  • vamenvamen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It's all random it seems mostly, though opening doors can often lock me up for several seconds.
    In the intro for example, when I was in the training areas, it would lock up for a few seconds when I got on and off a ladder, which was odd but not a big deal. The problematic times are when I'm trying to sneak. On the second floor area when you have to sneak around the guard and get to the game's first first-aid kit, it would lock up as I was moving around, just got a second or so, but enough where when it unlock I'd be facing the wrong way or the enemy would have moved to a point where he saw me, etc.

    I've turned off motion blur (first thing really heh) and I just tried an ini tweak and I'll see if that works but it was just to set the min and max FPS which I dont figure will help.

    Ill try turning V sync off too.

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BlackDove wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Certainly more satisfying than ME1.
    ME1's combat wasn't good, but AP's is worse. In ME1, skills actually improved your weapon handling, while meager gunplay was bolstered by a full bank of powers to use, and only at the beginning of the game did they take a minute to recharge. In AP, unless you spread yourself thin, you'll only have a few powers, and they take awhile to charge throughout the game.

    Of course, it's probably better off with fewer powers because constantly going into the menu to switch powers would get annoying, but the gameplay is still uninspiring.

    If we're going to the discussion of what's fun or not, I'm not even sure ME2 is as fun as AP.

    Everyone's bitching about the "dumb AI", but both Mass Effects feature enemies that either rush your position or just simply stick to the part of cover that they've spawned behind, and shoot until you kill them/you're dead. Yes, they're in character and don't break your immersion by exhibiting erratic behavior, but if we're going with which AI is dumber, one of them is certainly doing less.

    While they're not exhibiting signs of stupidity like AP's AI is by trying to do different things, they are certainly making the game very one dimensional, and the break-away you're given is with what weapon/power you kill them. They don't patrol, they don't have three different stages of alertness, they don't investigate, don't have directional sight, and generally they don't really do much of anything other than shoot and take cover. But the status quo remains the same. Move forward > get in cover > shoot until dead > repeat. Mass Effect 2 was great fun for me, I did it on Insanity and it was bundles of joy, but it didn't offer much beyond going from spot to spot shooting guys behind cover, however fun biotics may be.

    AP still has this exact same thing going on through much of the game, but it varies it up, offers stealth approaches, and the level design is much more inspired much of the time, other than just shoving a bunch of rocks in a hallway, so the enemy and you can take cover and shoot it out.

    Skill wise, yes, Mass Effect 1 certainly gave you a whole bunch of extras to play around with, but the only thing they boil down to is again, how you're going to kill the enemy, which is more or less precisely what AP does as well. Perhaps there is some great value in having 6 powers at once to take down the enemy instead of AP's 3, but I can't say I see it.

    Rating gameplay on a "fun" scale, especially with all the challenges of no death, and no alarms, I'd probably rank AP above ME2. The perk/achievement system, the conversations (and their outcomes/variations), the minigames, etc. are all definite levels above anything the Mass Effect games delivered, in my opinion.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Just finished my first playthrough. Obviously, major spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    In short, the team that did the level design for this game need to banned from game development permanently. The level design for the last section almost completely soured the end bits for me. I'm pretty sure the end would've been vastly improved if they'd just removed the combat entirely and made it just dialogue.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2010
    It's easy to see the difference when your crew in ME2 will generally have one line of dialogue every few missions and then rinse and repeat over and over and will say bugger all while on missions while AP features a variety of dialogue and individual responses to different actions you can take on earlier missions and ultimately gives you a summary of what has happened as a result of the things you did or didn't do.

    ...it's in the shape of a giant c**k.
  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2010
    Just finished my first playthrough. Obviously, major spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    In short, the team that did the level design for this game need to banned from game development permanently. The level design for the last section almost completely soured the end bits for me. I'm pretty sure the end would've been vastly improved if they'd just removed the combat entirely and made it just dialogue.
    Spoiler:

    ...it's in the shape of a giant c**k.
  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    What did you guys do with Brayko?
    Spoiler:

    And man, he was so easy with pistols pretty much maxed. It took two Chain Shots to bring him down.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Just finished my first playthrough. Obviously, major spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    In short, the team that did the level design for this game need to banned from game development permanently. The level design for the last section almost completely soured the end bits for me. I'm pretty sure the end would've been vastly improved if they'd just removed the combat entirely and made it just dialogue.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

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  • NartwakNartwak Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    vamen wrote: »
    Anyone have performance problems with this on PC? I run a lot of much prettier games silky smooth but this one studders in odd places. Looking for tweaks now but thought I'd post and see if this is a common problem.
    I think it's pretty common. The majority of people who aren't simply whining because they suck have been citing PC performance issues.

    Alpha Protocol: Throw your PCs out the window, buy an Xbox 360 and start enjoying games.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2010
    Dashui wrote: »
    What did you guys do with Brayko?
    Spoiler:

    I spared him for his boombox. Its a shame it doesnt transfer between safehouses.
    Just finished my first playthrough. Obviously, major spoilers.
    Spoiler:
    In short, the team that did the level design for this game need to banned from game development permanently. The level design for the last section almost completely soured the end bits for me. I'm pretty sure the end would've been vastly improved if they'd just removed the combat entirely and made it just dialogue.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    Theres two rockets in one of the huts, I missed it and thus died a lot. If you hit it with every rocket it will die, its just a nightmare doing so.

    ...it's in the shape of a giant c**k.
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Nartwak wrote: »
    vamen wrote: »
    Anyone have performance problems with this on PC? I run a lot of much prettier games silky smooth but this one studders in odd places. Looking for tweaks now but thought I'd post and see if this is a common problem.
    I think it's pretty common. The majority of people who aren't simply whining because they suck have been citing PC performance issues.

    Alpha Protocol: Throw your PCs out the window, buy an Xbox 360 and start enjoying games.

    Oddly enough, switching to a 360 controller actually solves some peoples stuttering problems

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Nartwak wrote: »
    vamen wrote: »
    Anyone have performance problems with this on PC? I run a lot of much prettier games silky smooth but this one studders in odd places. Looking for tweaks now but thought I'd post and see if this is a common problem.
    I think it's pretty common. The majority of people who aren't simply whining because they suck have been citing PC performance issues.

    Alpha Protocol: Throw your PCs out the window, buy an Xbox 360 and start enjoying games.

    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    As for rockets:
    Spoiler:

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  • C2BC2B SwitzerlandRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Ending was pretty grating at times
    Spoiler:

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    The shotgun is the only gun worth a damn.

    Not to bring out the stereotypical line, but if you genuinely believe that, then you honestly don't know how to play the game and I can see why you're complaining so much about the mechanics.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    C2B wrote: »
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

    ATI 5850, 4GB RAM, i5-750 at 3.8 GHz and even with a bunch of things turned off, I average 30 FPS. Every safehouse has spots with horrible stuttering if you look the wrong way.

    I wouldn't gripe about 30 FPS if I was playing on the 360, but there is simply no good reason for coding this poorly optimized other than bad dev choices. I've gotten pretty accustomed to 60 FPS on everything and this was not a game where it should have been otherwise. Ever.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    That's really weird, my computer is worse than yours in every way, and yet runs it at a constant 60 maxed, except of course for the steaming stutters

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  • C2BC2B SwitzerlandRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    C2B wrote: »
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

    ATI 5850, 4GB RAM, i5-750 at 3.8 GHz and even with a bunch of things turned off, I average 30 FPS. Every safehouse has spots with horrible stuttering if you look the wrong way.

    I wouldn't gripe about 30 FPS if I was playing on the 360, but there is simply good reason for coding this poorly optimized other than bad dev choices. I've gotten pretty accustomed to 60 FPS on everything and this was not a game where it should have been otherwise. Ever.

    oO Something is wrong here. I avarage 60

    Could easily be an Ati driver issue.

  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    As for rockets:
    Spoiler:
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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    C2B wrote: »
    C2B wrote: »
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

    ATI 5850, 4GB RAM, i5-750 at 3.8 GHz and even with a bunch of things turned off, I average 30 FPS. Every safehouse has spots with horrible stuttering if you look the wrong way.

    I wouldn't gripe about 30 FPS if I was playing on the 360, but there is simply good reason for coding this poorly optimized other than bad dev choices. I've gotten pretty accustomed to 60 FPS on everything and this was not a game where it should have been otherwise. Ever.

    oO Something is wrong here. I avarage 60

    Could easily be an Ati driver issue.

    My 5770 hasn't had any issues at all.

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I actually believe the missile launchers respawn.

  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Ninja Snarl, you did try the ini tweaks, yes?
    You know, turning off v-sync and setting:
    UseBackgroundLevelStreaming=false
    OnlyStreamInTextures=true
    OneFrameThreadLag=False
    In APEngine.ini in your documents AP folder?

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Pancake wrote: »
    C2B wrote: »
    C2B wrote: »
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

    ATI 5850, 4GB RAM, i5-750 at 3.8 GHz and even with a bunch of things turned off, I average 30 FPS. Every safehouse has spots with horrible stuttering if you look the wrong way.

    I wouldn't gripe about 30 FPS if I was playing on the 360, but there is simply good reason for coding this poorly optimized other than bad dev choices. I've gotten pretty accustomed to 60 FPS on everything and this was not a game where it should have been otherwise. Ever.

    oO Something is wrong here. I avarage 60

    Could easily be an Ati driver issue.

    My 5770 hasn't had any issues at all.

    I have the same card, and it runs at a consistent 60 FPS, but it does stutter wildly on occasion. Mostly when I'm switching "areas" within the map. Like, if I'm walking up some stairs or down a hallway. Probably an engine thing. Aside from that it's pretty well-optimized.

    All creature will die and all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai.
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Cherrn wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    C2B wrote: »
    C2B wrote: »
    AP has hideous PC performance. Considering what I have in my system and how AP looks, the performance is offensively poor. The only reason I don't have a constant 60 FPS at all times with everything maxed in AP is pure poor coding. Also, I used 360 pad for the whole game and found it to be much preferable to KBAM save for trying to follow a target with the reticule. The controls aren't bad, but it's still stupid I can't reassign the 360 buttons to whatever I want.

    I have a 9600 gt coppeld with an I5 750 both not overclocked and it runs absolutly smooth here. The only thing I turned off is Blur and I don't like blur in any game.

    ATI 5850, 4GB RAM, i5-750 at 3.8 GHz and even with a bunch of things turned off, I average 30 FPS. Every safehouse has spots with horrible stuttering if you look the wrong way.

    I wouldn't gripe about 30 FPS if I was playing on the 360, but there is simply good reason for coding this poorly optimized other than bad dev choices. I've gotten pretty accustomed to 60 FPS on everything and this was not a game where it should have been otherwise. Ever.

    oO Something is wrong here. I avarage 60

    Could easily be an Ati driver issue.

    My 5770 hasn't had any issues at all.

    I have the same card, and it runs at a consistent 60 FPS, but it does stutter wildly on occasion. Mostly when I'm switching "areas" within the map. Like, if I'm walking up some stairs or down a hallway. Probably an engine thing. Aside from that it's pretty well-optimized.
    Yeah, that's just them being inexperienced with dealing with the idiosyncrasies of UE3. And probably lazy coding.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    BlackDove wrote: »
    BlackDove wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    Certainly more satisfying than ME1.
    ME1's combat wasn't good, but AP's is worse. In ME1, skills actually improved your weapon handling, while meager gunplay was bolstered by a full bank of powers to use, and only at the beginning of the game did they take a minute to recharge. In AP, unless you spread yourself thin, you'll only have a few powers, and they take awhile to charge throughout the game.

    Of course, it's probably better off with fewer powers because constantly going into the menu to switch powers would get annoying, but the gameplay is still uninspiring.

    If we're going to the discussion of what's fun or not, I'm not even sure ME2 is as fun as AP.

    Everyone's bitching about the "dumb AI", but both Mass Effects feature enemies that either rush your position or just simply stick to the part of cover that they've spawned behind, and shoot until you kill them/you're dead. Yes, they're in character and don't break your immersion by exhibiting erratic behavior, but if we're going with which AI is dumber, one of them is certainly doing less.

    While they're not exhibiting signs of stupidity like AP's AI is by trying to do different things, they are certainly making the game very one dimensional, and the break-away you're given is with what weapon/power you kill them. They don't patrol, they don't have three different stages of alertness, they don't investigate, don't have directional sight, and generally they don't really do much of anything other than shoot and take cover. But the status quo remains the same. Move forward > get in cover > shoot until dead > repeat. Mass Effect 2 was great fun for me, I did it on Insanity and it was bundles of joy, but it didn't offer much beyond going from spot to spot shooting guys behind cover, however fun biotics may be.

    AP still has this exact same thing going on through much of the game, but it varies it up, offers stealth approaches, and the level design is much more inspired much of the time, other than just shoving a bunch of rocks in a hallway, so the enemy and you can take cover and shoot it out.

    Skill wise, yes, Mass Effect 1 certainly gave you a whole bunch of extras to play around with, but the only thing they boil down to is again, how you're going to kill the enemy, which is more or less precisely what AP does as well. Perhaps there is some great value in having 6 powers at once to take down the enemy instead of AP's 3, but I can't say I see it.

    Rating gameplay on a "fun" scale, especially with all the challenges of no death, and no alarms, I'd probably rank AP above ME2. The perk/achievement system, the conversations (and their outcomes/variations), the minigames, etc. are all definite levels above anything the Mass Effect games delivered, in my opinion.

    Yea. I'm enjoying my play-through of AP much more than my play-through of ME2, and I'm still pretty sure that once I finish I'll be into it enough to run through this game a second time.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Almost at 100. Working on a new thread, it'll be posted in a few minutes

    Actually, I'll post it first and edit the OP
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=15129831#post15129831

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