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How can you not support Obama on NASA?

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  • DontShootToastersDontShootToasters Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Langly wrote: »
    Also how are people losing their jobs?

    I really wish i knew more details, but it is awfully hard to find unbiased sources down here

    There have been protests about NASA funding, and my girlfriend's dad was laid off with 35 years of experience

    My reasoning is entirely selfish

    I mean people are losing jobs, that is just a fact. They are terminating the shuttle program, so those jobs are gone. However, they are funding an initiative to transfer many of those jobs into other programs and into the new stuff that they're doing.

    Which isn't to say some people won't lose their job. It's just not a mass slaughter like some are making it out to be.

    It's good to hear that there is at least an effort to keep on people where they can, and I'm hoping some of the discussion in this thread enlightens me a bit more, but it's still very hard to argue "oh hey at least all these people get to maybe keep there jobs" with someone who's out on his ass.

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  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.

    Also a lot of the old school astronauts (Apollo guys) just made a public statement against Obama's plan. This can be chalked up to crotchety old men being conservative about things.

    I also heard that this new plan is supposed to create 2500 jobs around the Space Coast, but I'm pretty sure those numbers come straight from the administration and are probably super-optimistic/flat out wrong.

    Also I want Richard Branson to make love to me in space. That is all.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.

    Also a lot of the old school astronauts (Apollo guys) just made a public statement against Obama's plan. This can be chalked up to crotchety old men being conservative about things.

    I also heard that this new plan is supposed to create 2500 jobs around the Space Coast, but I'm pretty sure those numbers come straight from the administration and are probably super-optimistic/flat out wrong.

    Also I want Richard Branson to make love to me in space. That is all.

    The estimate is 2500 new government program jobs along the coast, and 10k jobs in the private market across the country.

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Also Obama has made overtures and guarantees towards Florida, a battleground state, while leaving Texas, a state he will likely lose, wondering what is going to happen.

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  • satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    from 2005 to 2006 the nasa budget was cut (the last time that happened), and i don't seem to recall as much 'bush hates the space program' stuff

  • JedocJedoc Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.

    It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    captaink wrote: »
    Also Obama has made overtures and guarantees towards Florida, a battleground state, while leaving Texas, a state he will likely lose, wondering what is going to happen.

    it'll secede

  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Jedoc wrote: »
    The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.

    It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.

    well you can always tell her that all the money can go to feeding orphans as long as they are willing to form a shield if an asteroid the size of new york is headed our way

  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Jedoc wrote: »
    The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.

    It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
    i think we should sell texas to china and then send the orphans into space

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  • MetalbourneMetalbourne Tube's Favorite Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    Jedoc wrote: »
    The space program is the one thing my wife and I have agreed not to talk about any more. She's for slashing the space program down to weather satellites and telescopes and giving the rest of the money to orphans, whereas I believe we should be selling off underutilized states to China to fund NASA and killing off astronauts like we're sending them to Oregon in the 1800s.

    It's just not something we can find a great deal of middle ground on, and conversations always end up with both of us feeling grumpy.
    i think we should sell texas to china and then send the orphans into space

    Yeah it seems to me that solution would make them both happy.

  • Goose!Goose! Its a rebranding thing Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    By protesting his policy on the Washington mall, and writing my congressman. That is how I can not sjupport his nasa policy.

    How can we not use leading questions to invoke a debate and/or opinion?

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    People were saying the budget was being cut because it was not going to go up as much as it usually did. So basically they were being dicks and liars.

    No that's just the nature of government and how "spending cuts" work. Congress very rarely actually "cuts" anything they typically just cut a program's projected growth.

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  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I still think we should go back to the moon and establish something more permanent there. 40 years ago was just a race to stand on the moon, now we should look to establish ourselves as a moon presence. Doesn't get much more space dominant than that. Especially if we're working on heavy-payload rocket technology again.

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    we should carve the moon into the shape of a bald eagle's head

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  • JedocJedoc Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Bad Astronomy, as usual, has a pretty reasonable take on things.

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  • BucketmanBucketman Dyslexic Puppy Skraggle RockRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think it needed to happened. I mean sure i love NASA and the space program because FUCK YEAH SPACE, but I think right now there are more important things to spend the cash on. I think the military spending needed to be cut too thought because I'm a pretty staunch beliver that our education system needs to be completely reworked.

  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Pfft just let China or some other country with something to prove go to the moon. I don't really care if it's someone from the usa or not up there as long as I get to see it happen.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Funding NASA helps education it doesn't harm it.

    God damn it.

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    nasa's budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of the money our government is spending

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  • HarrierHarrier Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You know there's a fuckton of money in the Defense Department's budget

    We could throw some of that at NASA

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  • VeretasVeretas Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    a $6 billion dollar raise doesn't sound like budget cuts to me what the hell news


    The only thing that bothers me is the 'no plans' to return to the moon. Why the hell not? We just found water on the fucking thing!

  • DarricDarric Santa MonicaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    There's water right here!

  • FirmSkaterFirmSkater Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Veretas wrote: »
    a $6 billion dollar raise doesn't sound like budget cuts to me what the hell news


    The only thing that bothers me is the 'no plans' to return to the moon. Why the hell not? We just found water on the fucking thing!

    From what i understand Obama wants to privatize this. probably something like what this guy is talking about

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html

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  • VeretasVeretas Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    So while NASA focuses on the rest of space exploration the fledgling private organizations of the world focus on the moon?

  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I don't think Obama could possibly make me happy, short of "Forget Medicare, all that money goes into SPACE" but I'm pleased to see he at least reinstated the project my sister was working on.

    Considering the difficulty in escaping Earth's gravitational pull versus escaping the Moon's, it makes a lot of sense in the long-term to start a moon base if we're going to be launching anything really big anywhere else. Of course, even with a moon base it would take quite literally months or years to send a man anywhere interesting, and that's not really going to change until we develop some sort of near-light-speed travel.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    nasa's budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of the money our government is spending

    It's 0.5%, which isn't that tiny.

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  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited April 2010
    What I really hate is how many congressmen frame any cuts as "But our state needs jobs!"
    When Republicans do it, it's extra awful. That is socialism, Republicans- we don't need the govt. to employ everybody in your state!
    We should base what we do not on jobs, but on what the govt. needs to actually do
    I'm for more unmanned space exploration, personally. Getting a man on mars seems symbolic, but not as cool as sending probes out everywhere else.

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  • RinderRinder Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I really hope NASA has learned a lot of lessons from the Space Shuttle program.
    They really need to work on cost overruns and sustainability.
    They need to take a more focused operational path as well.

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  • VeretasVeretas Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Rinder wrote: »
    I really hope NASA has learned a lot of lessons from the Space Shuttle program.
    They really need to work on cost overruns and sustainability.
    They need to take a more focused operational path as well.

    Which makes it look like it was a good idea to scrap Constellation.

    I don't know much about the Ares series. I should look into it.

  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    captaink wrote: »
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    nasa's budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of the money our government is spending

    It's 0.5%, which isn't that tiny.

    half a penny from every dollar spent is pretty tiny.

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  • VeretasVeretas Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    captaink wrote: »
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    nasa's budget is a tiny, tiny fraction of the money our government is spending

    It's 0.5%, which isn't that tiny.

    half a penny from every dollar spent is pretty tiny.

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  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    As always by best friend for life Neil DeGrasse-Tyson knows what's up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o

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  • netgremlinnetgremlin Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    what about failure to yield

    or jaywalking

    If you fail to yield, you hate the driver who had the right of way.

    Jaywalking means you hate the crosswalk that's probably ten or fifteen feet away from you.

    Stupid crosswalks.

    As for Nasa: when I was a kid, we were all promised bases on planet Mars. Where the hell are my space bases?

    Edit: I was promised Mars bases and I've been paying taxes for a long time. I demand an answer :P

  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    As always by best friend for life Neil DeGrasse-Tyson knows what's up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o

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  • VeretasVeretas Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    But what has the Universe done for me? Why should I have to pay the Universe?

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  • ASimPersonASimPerson Cold... and hard.Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I'm forced to wonder if this more along what NASA administrators and Obama wanted all along.

    As opposed to the original plan, which was pretty much "EFF U NASA"

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  • Ruby RhodRuby Rhod Multipass!Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    we should carve the moon into the shape of a bald eagle's head

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    As for NASA, it is the one program I don't think we can throw enough money at. Just need better controls over spending and focus on better technology and getting that technology developed quickly. If his plan will do this, then I am all for it.

    All I'm saying is I want to go into space before I die. Dear NASA, I'm ready to go right now!

  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Anyone who can't see that space exploration and the space program in general has provided huge leaps in scientific knowledge, and will continue to do so, is literally RETARDED.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Considering that we have the Apollo program to thank for the development of the microchip...

    Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty fair thing to say.

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