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  • SkepSkep Registered User
    What a pointless argument this is. Just about anything can be art, depending on the way you look at it.

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  • JeedanJeedan Registered User regular
    "games are art because i dont know maybe everything is art. also who knows what art is, not me. and definately not YOU. who the fuck are you anyway?"- from Electronic Entertainment's Place in the Artistic Canon by A. Gamer

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  • NeliNeli Registered User regular
    this is real art

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  • ButtersButters Registered User regular
    Wait Roger Ebert is an artist? Since when?

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Wait Roger Ebert is an artist? Since when?

    Actually, he is art.

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  • Cherokee JackCherokee Jack Registered User regular
    Neli wrote: »
    this is real art

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    i feel like this wouldn't be nearly as hilarious without the man walking away in the background.

    where's that from?

  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    All video games are conceptual art by definition, all D&D role playing games are performance art by definition. Any attempt to deny this is either ignorant prattle or disingenuous prattle.

  • jwalkjwalk frosty Registered User regular
    jwalk wrote: »
    Actually I'm wrong, the SC has never reviewed a video game case, but it looks like it will be doing so very soon, possibly this week.

    The summary of that case does not make it sound like they will have to address whether games are an art or not.

    Not exactly but they must apply the "obscenity" test which says the subject must not have any artistic value. If it does, it can't be "obscene" and therefore can't be censored.

  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    All video games are conceptual art by definition, all D&D role playing games are performance art by definition. Any attempt to deny this is either ignorant prattle or disingenuous prattle.

    oh my god you are so fucking wroooooooong

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  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    Phonehand wrote: »
    GSM wrote: »
    All video games are conceptual art by definition, all D&D role playing games are performance art by definition. Any attempt to deny this is either ignorant prattle or disingenuous prattle.

    oh my god you are so fucking wroooooooong

    Pretty sure this is an example of the latter.

    wooooooooooooo

  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    Phonehand wrote: »
    GSM wrote: »
    All video games are conceptual art by definition, all D&D role playing games are performance art by definition. Any attempt to deny this is either ignorant prattle or disingenuous prattle.

    oh my god you are so fucking wroooooooong

    Pretty sure this is an example of the latter.

    wooooooooooooo

    Look argue all you want that video games are art and art is subjective. Video games are not conceptual art. At all. At all.

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
    Neli wrote: »
    this is real art

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    i feel like this wouldn't be nearly as hilarious without the man walking away in the background.

    where's that from?

    it is "the golden bull fart"

    http://www.dailyartpress.com/2009/10/emergency-exit-golden-bull-fart-art-by.html

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  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    In conceptual art the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an artist uses a conceptual form of art, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes a machine that makes the art.

    The concept is the rules defining gameplay. The execution is such a perfunctory affair that it is executed by machines millions of times per second. The idea has literally become a machine that creates art. What part of this could you have a problem with? There's so little room to disagree.

  • Skull ManSkull Man Registered User regular
    so weird to see GSM when it ain't the forum battle

  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    I've been lurking so so much.

    Also today I am on vacation.

  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    In conceptual art the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an artist uses a conceptual form of art, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes a machine that makes the art.

    The concept is the rules defining gameplay. The execution is such a perfunctory affair that it is executed by machines millions of times per second. The idea has literally become a machine that creates art. What part of this could you have a problem with? There's so little room to disagree.

    where do you draw the line? Is the baseball rulebook conceptual art? Are the rules to Snakes & Ladders?

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  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    I don't. Games as collections of rules are pieces of art.

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    A strong rebuttal.

  • Lord DaveLord Dave Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    Games as collections of rules are pieces of art.

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  • FishmanFishman scientia potentia est Robot ProvocateurRegistered User regular
    I'm sure the argument about art/games waxes strong or whatever, but I just came in here to say it just occurred to me that this is a comic it might be worth seeing as a Fourth Panel.

    I have no idea if saying this here actually influences the decision process, but I figure it certainly doesn't hurt, either.

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  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    In conceptual art the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an artist uses a conceptual form of art, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes a machine that makes the art.

    The concept is the rules defining gameplay. The execution is such a perfunctory affair that it is executed by machines millions of times per second. The idea has literally become a machine that creates art. What part of this could you have a problem with? There's so little room to disagree.

    Because in terms of conceptual art, the concept would have to take precedence over aesthetics/gameplay and a finished product. This is not true of the majority of video games. That and I don't think you can attribute "the rules defining gameplay" to concept as it pertains to conceptual art.

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  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    Also, D&D is not performance art unless there is an audience. But even then I would argue that only the act of playing D&D is the performance and the actual game is just a game.

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  • FAQFAQ Registered User regular
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    GSM wrote: »
    Games as collections of rules are pieces of art.

    well why not food as a collection of ingredients

  • GSMGSM Registered User regular
    The concept better take precedence over aesthetics, because that concept is the gameplay. Otherwise you aren't making a game. You're making film. But even that doesn't stop it from being art.

    D&D is performance art performed for the participants. As a set of rules for the performance, the gamebook is art as well.

    The problem Ebert has is confusing "finding something interesting" and "finding something to be art". Not all art is going to interest everybody. But it's still going to go right on being art.

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  • PhonehandPhonehand Registered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    The concept better take precedence over aesthetics, because that concept is the gameplay. Otherwise you aren't making a game. You're making film. But even that doesn't stop it from being art.

    D&D is performance art performed for the participants. As a set of rules for the performance, the gamebook is art as well.

    The problem Ebert has is confusing "finding something interesting" and "finding something to be art". Not all art is going to interest everybody. But it's still going to go right on being art.

    It is a concept yes. And a very important one. But it is not the concept as it pertains to conceptual art.

    The performers/participants do not equal the audience. And even if they were, the game is still a game. It could be the method of performance but inherently it is not performance art.

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  • LanglyLangly Up, and to the RightRegistered User regular
    The audience in DnD are also the participants. I mean, would a play performed to an empty house not be a play? The performers are also receivers or observers of the performance.

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  • The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User
    Phonehand wrote: »
    The performers/participants do not equal the audience. And even if they were, the game is still a game. It could be the method of performance but inherently it is not performance art.

    Even if it wasn't performance art, it would still be collaborative story-telling, which would also be art.

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  • Lord DaveLord Dave Registered User regular
    FAQ wrote: »
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    GSM wrote: »
    Games as collections of rules are pieces of art.

    well why not food as a collection of ingredients

    I agree, why not?
    Is a fantastic chef not an artist?

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  • TenTen Registered User regular
    cwgabriel wrote:
    A six page Lookouts comic starts Monday. Story by Tycho, Drawings by me, Colors by Steve Hamaker: http://bit.ly/auLH55

    Sweeeet.

  • HenroidHenroid Worthless Tyler, TX (where hope comes to die!)Registered User regular
    Fuck yes, I love the Lookouts.

  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Registered User regular
    Hmm. I really like Ebert in general, but I feel his statements in that article are... rude? I'm not sure if that's the right word for it. But to say that no one alive today will ever see a video game achieve the status as true 'art' is pretty condescending, in my opinion. Seems a bit silly too, considering how quickly Ebert's favorite medium, film, became a respected art form. Relatively speaking, of course.

    And now you can all relax, because I know you have been holding your breath waiting for me, the person you have never heard of, to give my opinion

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  • Lord DaveLord Dave Registered User regular
    circular breathing is frigging impossible

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  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    I kinda disagree with the "you can win games so they aren't art" argument. You don't really "win" a game any more than you "win" a book by reading to the end of it.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter I love watching you. Let's play tag.Registered User regular
    Ten wrote: »
    cwgabriel wrote:
    A six page Lookouts comic starts Monday. Story by Tycho, Drawings by me, Colors by Steve Hamaker: http://bit.ly/auLH55

    Sweeeet.

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    the colorist for Bone is doing Lookouts
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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    SLyM wrote: »
    I kinda disagree with the "you can win games so they aren't art" argument. You don't really "win" a game any more than you "win" a book by reading to the end of it.

    i win at the following fairly consistently:

    street fighter
    modern warfare 2
    risk
    backgammon
    tekken
    candy land

    are you suggesting that i am a) not winning or b) that the preceding are not games

  • KetBraKetBra shut up and jamRegistered User regular
    You're not winning.

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  • Cherokee JackCherokee Jack Registered User regular
    Zzulu wrote: »
    Previous Chen Venlinga exhibition, held at the Asian Arts Center, called "God of Materialism." This study - the continuation of the old theme. Bull, man smeared on the wall, symbolizes the economy. In Chinese slang, the word "fart" means "to deceive", "bluff".

    OK, now I "get it", man.

  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Masks, huh? Mine's superior.Registered User regular
    the colorist for bone

    wasn't bone in black and white

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