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So what makes Stephen Hawking an expert all of a sudden
Has Stephen Hawking been rewatching his box set of the Alien movies?
It would appear so, as his opinion of whether we should make contact with any alien life forms we discover in the future has suddenly hardened. According to a new documentary series he has made for the Discovery Channel : "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans."
Hawking believes we would be well-advised to keep the volume down on our intergalactic chatter and do all we can to prevent any "nomadic" aliens moseying our way to take a look-see. Should they find us here tucked away in the inner reaches of the solar system, chances are they'd zap us all and pillage any resources they could get their hands on. Our own history, says Hawking, proves that first encounters very rarely begin: "Do take a seat. I'll pop the kettle on. Milk? Sugar?"
"Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach," says the theoretical physicist in Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking. "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational. The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."
The article runs on for a little longer but it raises some interesting points
Do you think other advanced civilizations would share the apparent human proclivity to conquer and subjugate that which is seen as inferior, especially when it's occupying land we want? Or would it be a benevolent race trying to welcome us into some sort of Federation-like body? Or there's always the District 9 refugee option
Personally I think Hawking's assessment is a little pessimistic but I guess there wouldn't be any way to know until the moment they started the orbital bombardment
That alien organisms would decide to travel massive, massive distances from their home star on the minute chance of finding some pissant foreign civilization to plunder seems fairly improbable to me.
Plus "real" aliens would probably be so completely different from terrestrial preconceptions that even if we could recognize them as intelligent, it would probably be like whale watching or something. Yeah they're thinking, but who knows whats going on in there beyond "OM NOM NOM PLANKTON"
That alien organisms would decide to travel massive, massive distances from their home star on the minute chance of finding some pissant foreign civilization to plunder seems fairly improbable to me.
Plus "real" aliens would probably be so completely different from terrestrial preconceptions that even if we could recognize them as intelligent, it would probably be like whale watching or something. Yeah they're thinking, but who knows whats going on in there beyond "OM NOM NOM PLANKTON"
I think we should stop searching for alien life and should stop going out of our way to try to get them to contact us.
Basically, I'm with Hawking.
There are two outcomes: The aliens are absolutely nothing like us, in which case we stand to learn very little from them and it's possible they have incredibly inscrutable actions and ethics, and might just treat us as a weird little science experiment.
Or they're like us... in which case they're probably dicks and we are better off not meeting them.
That alien organisms would decide to travel massive, massive distances from their home star on the minute chance of finding some pissant foreign civilization to plunder seems fairly improbable to me.
Plus "real" aliens would probably be so completely different from terrestrial preconceptions that even if we could recognize them as intelligent, it would probably be like whale watching or something. Yeah they're thinking, but who knows whats going on in there beyond "OM NOM NOM PLANKTON"
then we realize they're trying to communicate with us when they start eating human children in groups of the first fifteen prime numbers or something
I think we should stop searching for alien life and should stop going out of our way to try to get them to contact us.
Basically, I'm with Hawking.
There are two outcomes: The aliens are absolutely nothing like us, in which case we stand to learn very little from them and it's possible they have incredibly inscrutable actions and ethics, and might just treat us as a weird little science experiment.
Or they're like us... in which case they're probably dicks and we are better off not meeting them.
I had no idea we were going out of our way to get aliens to contact us
I think we should stop searching for alien life and should stop going out of our way to try to get them to contact us.
Basically, I'm with Hawking.
There are two outcomes: The aliens are absolutely nothing like us, in which case we stand to learn very little from them and it's possible they have incredibly inscrutable actions and ethics, and might just treat us as a weird little science experiment.
Or they're like us... in which case they're probably dicks and we are better off not meeting them.
I had no idea we were going out of our way to get aliens to contact us
Not in a lot of significant ways. We occasionally do shit like shoot golden disks into space with the directions to our planet on it, shit like that.
We should uh... we should probably not be doing that anymore.
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pony let me sketch out an analogy
imagine you want to meet a girl. you don't know how or even if any girls live in your area, but you really want to meet one. so you begin writing love letters on a few grains of rice and then toss them out of your window
I think we should stop searching for alien life and should stop going out of our way to try to get them to contact us.
Basically, I'm with Hawking.
There are two outcomes: The aliens are absolutely nothing like us, in which case we stand to learn very little from them and it's possible they have incredibly inscrutable actions and ethics, and might just treat us as a weird little science experiment.
Or they're like us... in which case they're probably dicks and we are better off not meeting them.
I had no idea we were going out of our way to get aliens to contact us
Not in a lot of significant ways. We occasionally do shit like shoot golden disks into space with the directions to our planet on it, shit like that.
We should uh... we should probably not be doing that anymore.
Those two phonographs are like barely out of the solar system.
That is a problem for the cockroaches or a planet of the apes type situation, maybe A.Is not hu-mans.
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
i dunno about trying to travel to aliens, but communicating with them via radio signals would be pretty safe. not exactly like intergalactic listeners can actually come to earth just because they can hear us
imagine you want to meet a girl. you don't know how or even if any girls live in your area, but you really want to meet one. so you begin writing love letters on a few grains of rice and then toss them out of your window
i dunno about trying to travel to aliens, but communicating with them via radio signals would be pretty safe. not exactly like intergalactic listeners can actually come to earth just because they can hear us
Well, if an alien does come to Earth they would have had to leave a long time before we started blasting signals into space. Right now we're working pretty damn hard on finding Earthlike planets a long way off, and it's not too far fetched to imagine shiploads of frozen colonists taking off in the next several centuries or so.
But if we can find Earthlike planets a long way away, Life As We Know It will probably see Earth as a Xarglike planet and maybe their colonists set off first.
So your ship's been travelling for three thousand years and you finally come out of deep freeze to find that a race of fucking monkeys have built a shoddy little civilization all over your rare one in a billion habitable planet. Are you going to just climb back into the freezer and go home, or are you going to start warming up the mass drivers and killbots and get ready to discuss real estate with the natives?
i dunno about trying to travel to aliens, but communicating with them via radio signals would be pretty safe. not exactly like intergalactic listeners can actually come to earth just because they can hear us
Well, if an alien does come to Earth they would have had to leave a long time before we started blasting signals into space. Right now we're working pretty damn hard on finding Earthlike planets a long way off, and it's not too far fetched to imagine shiploads of frozen colonists taking off in the next several centuries or so.
But if we can find Earthlike planets a long way away, Life As We Know It will probably see Earth as a Xarglike planet and maybe their colonists set off first.
So your ship's been travelling for three thousand years and you finally come out of deep freeze to find that a race of fucking monkeys have built a shoddy little civilization all over your rare one in a billion habitable planet. Are you going to just climb back into the freezer and go home, or are you going to start warming up the mass drivers and killbots and get ready to discuss real estate with the natives?
We could live together... In peace?
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
He's not an anthropologist, or a sociologist, but something tells me he can understand the whole neoliberal postmodern guilt thing just like the rest of them. His argument seems very white-centric.
Because why, why the fuck would aliens capable of intergalactic travel not be able to synthesize their own petrol, or water, or toilets? I think he was influenced by Avatar, because an alien society who fucked up their own planet and are out on the prowl looking for a new one might do what he proposed in his new thesis, but unlikely. I refuse to believe most aliens of this caliber are asshole white, privliaged western upper class people who fucked everyone over to get to the top of the food chain.
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well his accent isn't very thick
Plus "real" aliens would probably be so completely different from terrestrial preconceptions that even if we could recognize them as intelligent, it would probably be like whale watching or something. Yeah they're thinking, but who knows whats going on in there beyond "OM NOM NOM PLANKTON"
That is one gay and pretentious sounding robot
just bust out some whale talk, brah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFHqSGowi6s
Basically, I'm with Hawking.
There are two outcomes: The aliens are absolutely nothing like us, in which case we stand to learn very little from them and it's possible they have incredibly inscrutable actions and ethics, and might just treat us as a weird little science experiment.
Or they're like us... in which case they're probably dicks and we are better off not meeting them.
then we realize they're trying to communicate with us when they start eating human children in groups of the first fifteen prime numbers or something
STEAM ID
I had no idea we were going out of our way to get aliens to contact us
not to mention those satellites pew pewing jersey shore all over the place
Not in a lot of significant ways. We occasionally do shit like shoot golden disks into space with the directions to our planet on it, shit like that.
We should uh... we should probably not be doing that anymore.
i mean the regular radio and satellite noise of our planet, not much we can do
but deliberate efforts to go shooting our mouth off into space
let's stop that, please
i can't think of anything good that comes of it.
If ever they needed a reason to exterminate us
you'd do well to listen to him.
it is probably based on either raw resources
or entertainment
we better hope our arts and drugs are good enough for space people
else they're going to take all our rocks
people who get really amped up about extra terrestrials
like people who run SETI@home and shit
those people, man
what is their deal
poor form, bad beat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971MeJPTQGM
I want to pilot giant steampunk mechs. so bring on the aliens
Good god I laughed so hard at this
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that's not what your girlfriend said.
imagine you want to meet a girl. you don't know how or even if any girls live in your area, but you really want to meet one. so you begin writing love letters on a few grains of rice and then toss them out of your window
Those two phonographs are like barely out of the solar system.
That is a problem for the cockroaches or a planet of the apes type situation, maybe A.Is not hu-mans.
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
heh what girlfriend 8-)
oh my god ahahahaha
steampunk blimps and mechs are the worst possible things a military could invest in
Leaves a lot to be desired
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Im9OgMVrs
aliens just don't know what to do against mechs and blimps
Well, if an alien does come to Earth they would have had to leave a long time before we started blasting signals into space. Right now we're working pretty damn hard on finding Earthlike planets a long way off, and it's not too far fetched to imagine shiploads of frozen colonists taking off in the next several centuries or so.
But if we can find Earthlike planets a long way away, Life As We Know It will probably see Earth as a Xarglike planet and maybe their colonists set off first.
So your ship's been travelling for three thousand years and you finally come out of deep freeze to find that a race of fucking monkeys have built a shoddy little civilization all over your rare one in a billion habitable planet. Are you going to just climb back into the freezer and go home, or are you going to start warming up the mass drivers and killbots and get ready to discuss real estate with the natives?
"Gleeb! why are those guns and swords so poorly designed?"
"I'm not sure, Morke, but I'm thankful this dude can't aim at me due to the fucking pressure gauge in front of his face."
We could live together... In peace?
If faith is just a silent tribute, mine is just a desperate act.
Because why, why the fuck would aliens capable of intergalactic travel not be able to synthesize their own petrol, or water, or toilets? I think he was influenced by Avatar, because an alien society who fucked up their own planet and are out on the prowl looking for a new one might do what he proposed in his new thesis, but unlikely. I refuse to believe most aliens of this caliber are asshole white, privliaged western upper class people who fucked everyone over to get to the top of the food chain.
Schlitz!