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Fair enough.
I don't really care what mode of observation is effective, just as long as they are effective.
The government and society cannot commandeer the individual to be agents of social change by forcing them to reveal intimate details of their life
Because of a lack of privacy, in other words?
this is a good post
I don't see a lot of people in this thread railing against google maps
just trying to highlight an inconsistency
haha this is not a case of everyone but backwards failing to "debate" in good faith
backwards is just as if not more guilty of this than most of the people that have posted an opinion on this
if he said this shit in person at a party, I'd consider him just as idiotic and would tell him so to his face
I don't know who would be against maps.
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garlic chive
fuck that sounds amazing
uh, mostly
privacy is about controlling how others perceive you
convincing people whether or not you are guilty of a crime fits into that basic principle
we like privacy because it allows us to lie, to cover up our embarrassments, to maintain social status in the social realm, and to maintain perceived wealth and autonomy in the public realm
of course, if people all just revealed their "embarrassing" secrets, then I wonder if they would cease to be embarrassing
look at this forum, for chrissakes
we're the goddamn frontline in the march towards the end of privacy
we share incredibly intimate detail with people we hardly know
as a result, no one is embarrassed about masturbating or weird sexual kinks or anything else, really.
Isn't that part of why we like SE++? We don't have to be shameful or embarrassed all the time? It's because we don't keep things private here.
Yes and then I would blink once, and then turn back to all the people who aren't 43, boring, and balding, and resume my conversation.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
I don't know what truly voluntary/ truly involuntary has to do with anything but my position is not limited to the government specifically
Society AS A WHOLE does not get to dictate that, for example, the best way to live a gay life is to be out and to help educate others and show people "hey, now that I know a gay person, I won't be a bigot"
Society can encourage people to come out and convince individuals that it is okay and safe to come out
But Society cannot force people to come out
And, in your world of no privacy, everyone would know the intimate details of everyone else at all times
The world we have now, of privacy in individual matters, is perfectly fine and highly preferable to a life where there is no privacy at all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLakgUosAsM
I just stopped reading that post as soon as I got to 'classical Western notion' because I could tell right there that his head was far enough up his ass that he couldn't hear us anyway.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
See this is the thing. People define privacy however they want to, because they think privacy is "good," so anytime where privacy is reduced must be an instance where it wasn't REAL privacy. It's a no-true-Scotsman fallacy.
The invention of the police force is absolutely a reduction in privacy. You are now observed by the government where you were not before.
Your actions are monitored, recorded, and you are held responsible for them where you were not before.
How is that not a reduction in privacy? You are using a shifting definition of privacy to preserve its perceived "goodness." But if you're just using privacy to be synonymous with things that are good, why not just say "good" instead?
People do this all the time with basic values and it's retarded. People never want to say justice or freedom or safety are bad, because they use those terms basically as proxies for "good." The problem is that they're not complete synonyms. It muddies our discourse. It makes a clash of ideas more difficult to attain, because it often precludes a true meeting of the minds.
I've only ever seen this kind of pathetic personal attack coming from people like TFS.
Really?
You think EVERYONE shares their sexual fetishes? You think they all share ALL of them? And it's possible they're lying, or saying they're into shit that's "cool" just to fit in.
This is NOT a judgement free zone.
And it's not a privacy free zone! How many forumers are on here that you only know by their handle? That you know NOTHING about?
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but those things aren't mutually exclusive
i mean you could teach people that beating up gays is wrong and leave the gay person the right to stay in the closet if they want to
thanks
just, like, to be clear, though, i think you've made some bad posts about this too ("gosh, being glib and straw-manning is fun!"). but that's sort of what always happens. someone presents an unpopular position, gets shit on for it, tries to remain reasonable about it for a while and then gives up and makes the same kind of taunting posts they were getting in the first place.
alas, internet
Ho ho! You hear that, guys? Referring to the actual history of ideas is so pretentious it invalidates anything you say.
God forbid any of you try to refer to John Locke or Adam Smith
You'd just have your head up your ass
I know, I don't even look 43!
Compared to regular day-to-day interactions with people in the real world, there is much less that people here choose to keep private, and there is much less embarassment
A police force is not a reduction in privacy because there is no privacy in public (!!)
In public matters, privacy doesn't exist (or exists to a far lesser extent)
Just because you define privacy differently, doesn't mean I'm using "privacy" as a proxy for "good"
When we all hang out together, there's still less embarassment than with strangers, and the people we don't know are okay with sharing because hey! We don't know them!
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Maybe not for sexual fetishes because we don't give a fuck about those.
But go offer up an unpopular opinion and see how much you get judged for it.
Oh hey lookit that.
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this is fine for a lot of things, but when you have one person presenting an unpopular opinion it makes it really easy for them to get crucified without any actual discussion happening. in an actual conversation, someone would present an unpopular opinion and then argue it out with one other person. on a forum like this, someone presents an opinion and if it's unpopular, there's bound to be 10 people jumping on them for it, which makes it really easy for the discussion to descend into dumb stuff like taunting/trolling/personal attacks because there's one guy just getting mobbed.
I went back and looked, and I was right, your point was retarded.
your = belonging to you
their = belonging to them
there = not here
they're = they are
There was privacy from the government though. There are plenty of arenas in life today where we have privacy from the government but not other entities, and we still freak out when government invades that privacy.
Honest question, please name an arena in life where we have privacy from the government but not other entities
And I disagree; The sphere in which the police operates was never private. Crimes, almost universally, are harm done to other people. Which is public. Which was never private. Which was prosecuted by society. And now by society through the government
But this group still has a social/status hierarchy and functions pretty closely with how social groups function in the real world.
And, hell, a lot of us DO know each other, and hang out in real life.
It's a mutual assurance thing
We don't mind sharing these things with people because they're sharing in return
But opinions that are unpopular, people will keep those to themselves. I mean there might someone here who thinks CAD is a great comic, but goddamn, they are not gonna tell us that.
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goatmon was basically an inoffensive poster, slightly annoying, but just kinda blended in. then he made some unpopular remarks or something and somebody went and dug up the fact that he was a bit of a furry (probably teefs). two years on, people are still making fun of him for that
this is when non-privacy and sharing things on the internet isn't a good thing. it's also a prime reason why this is not a non-judgmental environment
Privacy is relative and wait we've been here haven't we
is that what you people want
my blood on your hands
I guess we are just a bunch of judgmental douchebags after all
i tell them because i do not really know them