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PAX 2010 Challenge Coins

strebaliciousstrebalicious Registered User regular
edited September 2010 in PAX Archive
papaprinny wrote: »
I just got off the phone with Darrell at NWTM.
Unfortunately, NWTM was not entirely clear on how this process works. Initially they sent an order for 150 coins in anticipation of demand. This demand was exceeded, and they haven't gotten around to getting the new coins made yet. According to Darrell, a new order for more coins has been placed. They do not anticipate that they will have the new coins ready until a couple weeks from the date I am posting this. They anticipate that the next batch of coins will be delivered to everyone a week after that.

So: For those of you who don't yet have your coins, your order was processed by NWTM after they shipped the final coins of their 150-coin batch. It will be about 3 weeks until you receive yours. If by then you don't receive your coin, let me know so that we may put this thing to bed.

And because this was entirely unanticipated since NWTM never communicated this fact to me,

I will no longer be taking orders for PAX Prime 2010 coins.

I am doing this because I do not wish to subject you to any more possible unforeseen circumstances. Those of you who placed orders up until now will have your orders fulfilled. It will simply take a little longer than we anticipated. If you have any particular questions or concerns, please email me at the address I posted earlier in this thread.

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  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I have a Challenge Coin, it's from TAZER for doing the "Ride for 5" that being I was Tazed while in Tazer training for the full 5 seconds.

    No side effects at all.

    *twitch*

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  • SlickShughesSlickShughes Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I know that Jerry is a bit of a challenge coin collector, he's said that they're some of the most meaningful gifts he receives from fans. That said, given the cost of producing these things I doubt we'll see an official one, like, ever.

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  • strebaliciousstrebalicious Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I know that Jerry is a bit of a challenge coin collector, he's said that they're some of the most meaningful gifts he receives from fans. That said, given the cost of producing these things I doubt we'll see an official one, like, ever.

    They are really not that expensive. Even given the design fees and molding fees, an initial batch of coins usually costs around $5-6 a coin (barring some outrageous design like a free spinning center). Subsequent batches are even cheaper given you don't have to pay the fees again.

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  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I know that Jerry is a bit of a challenge coin collector, he's said that they're some of the most meaningful gifts he receives from fans. That said, given the cost of producing these things I doubt we'll see an official one, like, ever.

    They are really not that expensive. Even given the design fees and molding fees, an initial batch of coins usually costs around $5-6 a coin (barring some outrageous design like a free spinning center). Subsequent batches are even cheaper given you don't have to pay the fees again.

    Yeah, but what is the minimum order size? If it's 100 coins, that starts to get pricey.

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    So we get stiff once in a while. So we have a little fun. What’s wrong with that? This is a free country, isn’t it? I can take my panda any place I want to. And if I wanna buy it a drink, that’s my business.
  • SlickShughesSlickShughes Registered User
    edited May 2010
    MyDcmbr wrote: »
    I know that Jerry is a bit of a challenge coin collector, he's said that they're some of the most meaningful gifts he receives from fans. That said, given the cost of producing these things I doubt we'll see an official one, like, ever.

    They are really not that expensive. Even given the design fees and molding fees, an initial batch of coins usually costs around $5-6 a coin (barring some outrageous design like a free spinning center). Subsequent batches are even cheaper given you don't have to pay the fees again.

    Yeah, but what is the minimum order size? If it's 100 coins, that starts to get pricey.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Challenge coins, as of 2007, can be found much cheaper as makers are becoming more plentiful in today's collectible market. Thus, a run of 25 coins may cost about US$425 total (US$17 each), while a run of 1000 coins may cost about $2750 total (US$2.75 each).

    That's alls I know about it.

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  • edited May 2010
    Looking at the the first few results for "challenge coins" on google, it seems that the standard minimum order is 100 coins at some where around $2.25 a piece for a basic 1.5" without any special bells and whistles.

    There is no mention of the initial mold (as far as i could tell) but I would wager a guess that they don't want to muck up the seeming affordability until you apply for a price quote.


    here's a nice little list of prices and options:
    https://managed.lprus.orlandoit.net/~challengec/coin-pricing.htm

  • strebaliciousstrebalicious Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    So here's the deal. We ordered 2" coins for our association (First Class Petty Offier's Mess) recently. It was $1220-ish for 200 coins. So barely over $6 a coin. Here's the proof version of the artwork (I'd post a picture of the thing, but it's almost 2 in the morning and I'm too lazy).

    Gewgul Docks

    So, cost is not really that much of an issue, unless people are squeamish about spending maybe 10 or 15 dollars.

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  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    So here's the deal. We ordered 2" coins for our association (First Class Petty Offier's Mess) recently. It was $1220-ish for 200 coins. So barely over $6 a coin. Here's the proof version of the artwork (I'd post a picture of the thing, but it's almost 2 in the morning and I'm too lazy).

    Gewgul Docks

    So, cost is not really that much of an issue, unless people are squeamish about spending maybe 10 or 15 dollars.

    Looks pretty good to me.

    I would be down for some PAX Prime 2010 challenge coins. I think those would last a bit longer than the badges to remember the event.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    That'd be fun I think! Figuring out how to pool together the money so that we could make that first run will probably be the hardest part... well, that and making a design awesome enough to be worthy of PAX. =)

    I'd pitch in some cash for the first run... maybe if we set up a PayPal account or something to get the money pooled together?

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  • macrogeekmacrogeek Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    You should look into doing these with PathTags.

    http://www.pathtags.com/what.php

    We use them for geocaching, and they're a bit cheaper than completely custom coins runs.
    Pathtags are cool because they're trackable via serial number, they're magnetic, and they have a prepunched keyring hole.

    I also have had custom dice printed by Chessex before for the same purpose.
    http://macrogeek.blogspot.com/2009/04/custom-dice.html

    http://www.chessex.com/Dice/Custom_Dice_Home.htm

  • YuritauYuritau Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I would totally buy in on either a PAX coin OR die.

  • proXimityproXimity Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Those pathtags look pretty cool

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Aye, the pathtags both look awesome and have a lower cost of entry... this looks like an excellent plan to me!

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  • strebaliciousstrebalicious Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I don't know about these pathtags things. They seem a little... little. Let me give you a comparison of a challenge coin to a quarter (and thus, to a pathtag).

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    The cat sure seems interested.

    I mean, the pathtags look good enough, but I see them more as a PAX Button-esque supplement more than anything. I like being able to reach into my pocket and tell exactly which one and where my coin is. But hey, that's just me, I'll let the crowd decide on which, if any, we should try for.

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  • RdrRdr Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I have my dad's challenge coin from when he was in Vietnam. I've seen him use it in challenges a few times at his motorcycle club. Its pretty funny seeing someone slam their coin down and then 50+ vets eagerly finding their coins to slam down on the bar as well.

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  • Steel FireSteel Fire Gunboat Diplomat PAI MarketingRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I think this is an extraordinarely cool idea. I know I would be willing to chunk down $5-6 dollars for one and chip in for set up costs.

  • edg2000edg2000 Registered User
    edited May 2010
    i would love to get in on this as well. being navy myself i try to acquire ones of important people. *try= key word. havent yet*

    now a question. if one doesnt have a PAX coin at the moment of the "slam down" would there be equivalency to a military one? i know that around my area, if someone tosses a Command coin down, but someone throws, say.. the MCPONs coin down, the MCPON coin beats the Command coin.

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  • chupamiubrechupamiubre Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I am down for this. Sounds fun

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  • circeramonecirceramone Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'd love to get in on this. My preference would be challenge coins, but I'm in regardless of the final decision.

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  • tehnakkitehnakki Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    There is a Vaporean/Pokeball Pathtag! (the middle coin!)
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    My votes for Pathtags!! I like that there smaller and have a keyring whole! I carry a lot of crap in my pockets and purse and if it's too big I just won't carry it :P

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I must vote for traditional challenge coins for several reasons:

    a) They can be made from finer materials to have more lasting value.
    b) I won't be tempted to make a keyring out of them and find them scratched all to hell in a year or two.
    c) Bigger things are more fun, just ask my wife.
    d) My local coffee shop collects challenge coins, and having something only the size of quarter would look pathetic on their display. Would you want the PAX coin to be shown up by the one for George W. Bush? I should hope not.

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  • BrokenAngelBrokenAngel Registered User
    edited May 2010
    My vote is for challenge coins as long as they are under the $5-$6 dollar mark, otherwise I vote pathtags :D

    ...yes I am a cheap bastard >.>

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  • redhaloredhalo Registered User
    edited May 2010
    This is a pretty great idea. I'm down for the pathtags to be able to keep them on a key ring, but would get into either that was decided upon.

  • ZeroHourHeroZeroHourHero Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Remind me to give Jerry a coin from my unit next East.... I know alot of the guys in my squadron are big PA fans, and one of them has a FF Tattoo, and another has a CTS tattoo.

    I never knew that he was into them or Id've brought them with me this time, I have a box of them since I helped design them....]

    And to clarify: In my experience in the military challenge coins run the gammut of all shapes and sizes, I've seen them quarter sized, custom shaped (One in the shape of Iraq comes to mind), Coaster shaped, and everything in between

  • papaprinnypapaprinny Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Throwing my hat (scarf?) into the ring. Challenge coins sound fun. Still a bit iffy on the price, though.

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  • orbdeporbdep Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I'm very in for this, I would probably by a few of them to be honest.

    edit: I really like the idea of doing this for Child's play, maybe even do the coin up on one side with the childs play controller if that doesn't get anybody in trouble.

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  • ninjownedninjowned Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    This is me... posting to show interest :^:

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  • ArcoArco Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm really surprised there's this much interest for this. Don't read that as a negative statement; this is awesome. I don't think challenge coins are my thing, but I really like where this is going.

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  • edg2000edg2000 Registered User
    edited May 2010
    its a unique idea too... im surprsed something like this hasnt come up before in the past

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  • feitocomfrutafeitocomfruta Denver, Colorado, USARegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    So what would it take to recieve Challenge coins from people? I mean this sounds like it would be encroaching on the Buttoneer territory, but if there is a different way to go about it, I'd be interested in hearing more.

  • MyDcmbrMyDcmbr Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    So what would it take to recieve Challenge coins from people? I mean this sounds like it would be encroaching on the Buttoneer territory, but if there is a different way to go about it, I'd be interested in hearing more.

    They don't work like that. You don't give away challenge coins.

    Let's say you are at a bar with other PAXers. Someone throws their coin on the bar and anyone who doesn't have it is buying the round. If everyone has em, the person who threw down buys the round. That's generally how they work.

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  • leafleaf Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    While cool, I'm not affiliated with the military, or going to pay as much as the entire weekend/trip to seattle costs for a run of coins. I mean I make buttons and my own cards, so I think a lot of others are in the same situation where "it's more than $25-50 to join in? sorry"

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    If it helps Leaf, I'm about as far away from "military affiliated" as a person can get: but the idea is neat I think. =) Also, ideally it should be less than 50$ to join in, as we'd only need one run for the whole group of people: the trick is going to be pooling together the money from everyone interested so that we can do that first run, and then diivying up those coins to everyone who pitched in.

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  • MasterHeliosMasterHelios Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I like the idea, but the price is a little iffy, I'm short on cash on account of no job and I'm already going to be paying for the PAX tickets, a bunch of DS games, and the pre-PAX dinner. Think I'm gonna have to sit this one out, but the idea's got my approval.

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  • Glock N RollinGlock N Rollin Registered User
    edited May 2010
    This sounds really cool, I'd totally be down for throwing some cash in. The real question is who is going to design this thing? =)

    Just imagine the future mythology we could create... slowly they will spread and years from now at a future PAX the coins will be slammed down.

  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I think the big difference between this and buttons/cards (which will actually make this financially feasible) will be that these coins won't be individually tailored per person (unless I misunderstand the OP's idea): there would be just one official design, and we would all pay in... so if we got enough people to join on this run, it could be as low as $2.50 per person.

    The hard part is figuring out whether we actually will have enough interest to hit that price mark. I'd be down for it, but we need some number more in the hundreds of people to get to that goal.

    An interesting alternative for someone who has the upfront cash might be for that person to set up a store or something, pay for the first run, and then have everyone pay him/her (with some added fee to account for shipping/handling/other costs... or even just for-profit compensation for having taken the financial risk) for their individual coin. Then they could make the money back slowly over time. It'd be a risky venture to ask someone to take on though, and I don't know anyone on the forums who has that kind of cash to start it up. =( But if someone does and is interested in the risk, I'd gladly pay an extra few bucks to someone who took such a bold risk for the sake of PAX Challenge Coins. =)

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Doing anything for-profit with somebody else's trademark is a bad idea. PA Inc. are decent people, and they've let us be pretty loose with their trademarks and identity, so long as we've kept it not-for-profit. This is not a relationship we should spoil with a breach of that trust.

    If anything we should keep the model which has become something of a community standard: find a reasonable break even point, invest the necessary funds, and if enough people get on board that the break even point is positively exceeded, donate the rest to Child's Play.

    I think if we're serious about this we need to start putting our cards on the table and be counted not just in vague terms of interest but how much would we be willing to help seed an effort. I would be willing to contribute $100 in seed funds to start a minting, of which I would hope to recover 90%, but I am willing to accept any degree of loss assuming that production cost exceeds demand.

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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I think the idea of a PAX or PA coin is cool, but I don't think it can work like challenge coins right now. They work in the military because they are common across the entire service. Everyone knows about them and has a chance to own one. The chance of even 10% of PAX goers getting a coin is minuscule. The majority of attendees won't even know there is one, and many won't know what a challenge coin is. So the idea that they'd be obligated to buy drinks because they don't have one strikes me as mean. Maybe if they coins are made and sold for several PAXs (PAX?, PAXi?, PAXen?), then it'd become ok to start using them as challenge coins.

  • orbdeporbdep Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I have 100 bucks I could throw down on this, especially if it means having several of these in my pocket to occasionally give away to someone particularly badass, like Mike/Jerry, or Whil wheaton

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  • ElectricTurtleElectricTurtle Registered User
    edited May 2010
    YoungFrey wrote: »
    I think the idea of a PAX or PA coin is cool, but I don't think it can work like challenge coins right now. They work in the military because they are common across the entire service. Everyone knows about them and has a chance to own one. The chance of even 10% of PAX goers getting a coin is minuscule. The majority of attendees won't even know there is one, and many won't know what a challenge coin is. So the idea that they'd be obligated to buy drinks because they don't have one strikes me as mean. Maybe if they coins are made and sold for several PAXs (PAX?, PAXi?, PAXen?), then it'd become ok to start using them as challenge coins.

    Forumers make up only about 2% of the PAXer collective, yes, and the others should be made to suffer in humiliation for their failure to participate! SUFFER! :evil:

    Heh, no, not really. I guess you have a point, but then you have to realize that forumers hang out in high concentrations. For example virtually everybody at the community events are forumers or know forumers because that's the only place the events are advertised. I suppose there would need to be an understood etiquette about the matter (descended from 'don't be a dick') that these things would really only be appropriate to use at forumer-heavy events like the crawl, dinner, MMT, various cross-country trips, hotel parties that may-or-may-not-exist, etc.

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