you like SCHOOL in the summertime (TFS&AMP'D COME TO SENSES, SAY AMERICA IS BEST)

Kuribo's Shoe

but you did bring civilization to a lot of the world

horrible, horrible civilization

bongi

we invaded a lot of places

that is not the same as bringing civilisation to the world

Dead Legend

british people to be proud of

arthur wellington
admiral nelson
richard sharpe
monty python

Liiya

Sometimes I think this country is a bit rubbish, but then I think it's one of the better places to live in the world, and that I should be more appreciative.

Antimatter

bongi wrote: »

we invaded a lot of places

that is not the same as bringing civilisation to the world

you invaded places saying that you were bringing civilization

white man's burden and all that

Kuribo's Shoe

Dead Legend wrote: »

british people to be proud of

arthur wellington
admiral nelson
richard sharpe
monty python

really

no churchill

did he do something terrible that will ruin how awesome I think he is

bongi

Dead Legend wrote: »

british people to be proud of

arthur wellington
admiral nelson
richard sharpe
monty python

my two favourites are maybe bertrand russell and alan turing

[edit]oh, and clement attlee, who basically kicks the shit out of every 20th century american president

Dead Legend

Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »

Dead Legend wrote: »

british people to be proud of

arthur wellington
admiral nelson
richard sharpe
monty python

really

no churchill

did he do something terrible that will ruin how awesome I think he is

it was a short list spur of the moment

winston is definitely on there

Dead Legend

it is my understanding that bertrand russell is pretty cool, no?

i get a lot of his quotes on my homepage

Muse Among Men

I will forever consider the national personification of Britain to be the queen. So cute.

bongi

Dead Legend wrote: »

it is my understanding that bertrand russell is pretty cool, no?

i get a lot of his quotes on my homepage

bertrand russell was pretty staggeringly fantastic

i mean the dude wrote Principia Mathematica and thus set the ball rolling for computer science (and thus basically the 20th century), and also won the Nobel Prize for Literature for being basically the best essayist ever

bongi

wait this is a perfect chance to use this again

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a deep ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.


I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy—ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness—that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it, finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what—at last—I have found.


With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.


Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a hated burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.


This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.

the fucking preface to russell's autobiography

Ol' Sparky

well turing also contributed to the development of the computer! and probably would have more, if the british government hadn't forced him into suicide!

Drew-B

For fucks sake. All countries have done pretty horrible things. Be aware of them. Work on making the country you live in a better place...a democracy is only as good as the people in it.

ABC Diplomacy/CIA interventionism/Racial transgressions of the past were bad. Breaking fucking news. Countries should learn from the past, not live in it.

Viscount Islands

Drew-B wrote: »

For fucks sake. All countries have done pretty horrible things. Be aware of them. Work on making the country you live in a better place...a democracy is only as good as the people in it.

ABC Diplomacy/CIA interventionism/Racial transgressions of the past were bad. Breaking fucking news. Countries should learn from the past, not live in it.

I think the possible response here would be:

Haha, past.

Drew-B

Well yes, but then I'd just refer to the first line.

Burning Organ

When Finland had a civil war more people were executed after one side won than the total amount of casualties during the war.

This is fucked up.

Koshian

is there any value in patriotism

I am having a hard time finding it if there is

Fandeathis

Dead Legend wrote: »

it is my understanding that bertrand russell is pretty cool, no?

i get a lot of his quotes on my homepage

Bertrand Russell is easily one of the best.

Dichotomy

I try to quash any patriotism I find in myself
it just don't make much sense to me

I still think canada is pretty cool, but I like to think it's for more objective reasons than "this place is the best because I happened to be born here"

NeoToma

It's pretty useful if you need people to fill your army.

Fandeathis

Koshian wrote: »

is there any value in patriotism

I am having a hard time finding it if there is

I don't think there is anything wrong with loving your country. It seems like a healthy thing to love where you live. I would imagine since you love it, you would want to improve it as well.

VoproSTEIN

Didn't Hitler use patriotism and nationalism to turn Germany into a war machine that started the war?

Do people really want to be like Hitler?!

Also if you drive alone, you're driving with Hitler.

Al_wat

Burning Organ wrote: »

When Finland had a civil war more people were executed after one side won than the total amount of casualties during the war.

This is fucked up.

Fuck the commies.

BusterK

Dichotomy wrote: »

I try to quash any patriotism I find in myself
it just don't make much sense to me

I still think canada is pretty cool, but I like to think it's for more objective reasons than "this place is the best because I happened to be born here"

That to me sounds even worse because if we understand our love for our country as unreasoning
We're more inclined to be sympathetic to other's love for their own country
Whereas demanding objective reasoning leads to a lot of arguing with other people about their own feelings

bongi

Ol' Sparky wrote: »

well turing also contributed to the development of the computer! and probably would have more, if the british government hadn't forced him into suicide!

'contributed' inasmuch as he was one of its major founders yes

and he 'did more' inasmuch as he was one of the major codebreakers at bletchley park and thus basically let us win WW2

Al_wat

Koshian wrote: »

is there any value in patriotism

I am having a hard time finding it if there is

if you have a smaller country, it can be very important.

then again blind patriotism is kinda retarded. Its best to be proud of your country but not let it get to your head.

Zoel

FUCK! skull man what page did this happen?

TheStig

Researching patriotism gives your combat units +1 attack and unlocks the human wave attack.

Anjin-San

Viscount Islands wrote: »

Anjin-San wrote: »

but shorter

and no colonization

Erm.

nobody was colonized

we just killed all the brown people

liberia isn't even a real place

BusterK

I believe someone once said, "My country right or wrong is like saying my mother drunk or sober."
I think that makes a lot of sense both ways
You can love your country and still think it's doing terrible things and want to change it
At the same time, you had no control over who your parents were and even though they raised you, many other people could have just as well or better
That doesn't mean there's no reason to feel anything for your parents based on anything besides objective reasoning
You just have to remember "My dad can beat up you dad" is kid shit

Metzger Meister

BusterK wrote: »

I believe someone once said, "My country right or wrong is like saying my mother drunk or sober."
I think that makes a lot of sense both ways
You can love your country and still think it's doing terrible things and want to change it
At the same time, you had no control over who your parents were and even though they raised you, many other people could have just as well or better
That doesn't mean there's no reason to feel anything for your parents based on anything besides objective reasoning
You just have to remember "My dad can beat up you dad" is kid shit

my dad can actually beat up your dad though, that's the problem here.

Viscount Islands

I have two dads.

Although one dad doesn't know about the other.

Antimatter

sugar daddies don't count, VI

Anjin-San

shadow dad

Metzger Meister

Ghost Dad

BusterK

Anjin-San

three men and a baby

Rinder

I believe that girl in the middle became a pastor.

BusterK

Rinder wrote: »

I believe that girl in the middle became a pastor.

I see nothing in IMDB or Wikipedia suggesting that