[British Politics] Not As F****D As We Thought!

The Fourth Estate

Italax wrote: »

55% turnout, wonder if that will be consistent throughout the country?

Safest of seats, liable to be one of the lower turnouts.

Louie

Anyone else want to punch the guy on c4 who didn't vote?

Red or Alive

Channel 4's election coverage has been worryingly light on Charlie Brooker. I wasn't tuning in to see Jimmy Carr make fanny jokes, Channel 4.

DarkWarrior

Especially coz he looks like hes probably never worked a hard day in his life.

Bad-Beat

Italax wrote: »

Bad-Beat wrote: »

I would think that 55% is good for Sunderland.

Indeed it is, bigger than the last three elections.

Only up 2% though.

It is a sign of things to come though, if voter turnout has growth in a safe seat, contestable seats will be much higher.

Kalkino

Louie wrote: »

Anyone else want to punch the guy on c4 who didn't vote?

A little, yes

DarkWarrior

According to the BBC, Labour got 50% of the vote, Cons 21.4 and LD 13.

Kastanj

I am always envious of British comedians and how many good shows they have to figure on, so please don't be ungrateful and harp on Carr too much.

Louie

Proportional representation has been high on the agenda so how the fuck can any vote be wasted regardless of how secure your constituency is. Twat.

Bad-Beat

If Lib Dems popular vote increases yet their seats go down, it'll only push PR further into the mainstream agenda. Fucking idiot.

DarkWarrior

That Tory is a wanker but sadly as equal a wanker as the non voter likely non-worker.

japan

It kind of weirds me out the way she uses a neutral accent for her "TV voice", but lapses into a Welsh accent for placenames.

EDIT: Tory lady on the BBC coverage is seriously risking looking very silly if the exit poll doesn't reflect reality.

pots+pans

Nate Silver is liveblogging http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/05/liveblog-uk-election-returns.html

Kalkino

Well I will say for one, I think I'll get more involved in politics from about now on, this whole PR thing is really starting to piss me off. We are also having an electoral referendum back in NZ in a year or two as well, so two birds/one stone

surrealitycheck

Well I will say for one, I think I'll get more involved in politics from about now on, this whole PR thing is really starting to piss me off. We are also having an electoral referendum back in NZ in a year or two as well, so two birds/one stone

I don't think in the UK we would necessarily benefit from straight up PR - something slightly more nuanced might be in order.

pots+pans

What happens if a Tory/Ulster coalition is enough for a majority and a Lib/Lab coalition is also enough?

Edit: I am a complete fucking idiot

Bad-Beat

Why are people still queuing? That is nothing short of ridiculous.

RMS Oceanic

Wow, David Dimblebey is tearing the electoral organization a new one.

The Fourth Estate

pots+pans wrote: »

What happens if a Tory/Ulster coalition is enough for a majority and a Lib/Lab coalition is also enough?

Not mathmatically possible.

Burnage

Prof Vernon Bogdanor, from Oxford University, tells the BBC that if the swing of 8.4% in Houghton and Sunderland South is repeated across the country we will not have a hung parliament - we will have an outright Conservative victory.

GrimReaper

RMS Oceanic wrote: »

Wow, David Dimblebey is tearing the electoral organization a new one.

Thing is, he's dead right on the mark. Closing down the voting and denying people their vote is an outrage.

Bad-Beat

pots+pans wrote: »

What happens if a Tory/Ulster coalition is enough for a majority and a Lib/Lab coalition is also enough?

Come on dude, think about that for a second.

Kalkino

surrealitycheck wrote: »

Well I will say for one, I think I'll get more involved in politics from about now on, this whole PR thing is really starting to piss me off. We are also having an electoral referendum back in NZ in a year or two as well, so two birds/one stone

I don't think in the UK we would necessarily benefit from straight up PR - something slightly more nuanced might be in order.

I would support the Scottish/German/NZ AV+/MMP system, as it works well in those places. I've voted in the AV+/MMP system and voting over here just feels so archaic.

pots+pans

I'd like to apologise for being such a retard

Coldred

RMS Oceanic wrote: »

Wow, David Dimblebey is tearing the electoral organization a new one.

Well it is fucking disgraceful.

The Fourth Estate

Portillo saying we must prostrate ourselves to the markets, not the electorate.

Bad-Beat

ooh, Washington is in!

surrealitycheck

I would support the Scottish/German/NZ AV+/MMP system, as it works well in those places. I've voted in the AV+/MMP system and voting over here just feels so archaic.

I recently had a fascinating conversation with one of the gents who wrote the 1979 election manifesto, and he said in the end he would probably choose the German model as the least bad of all worlds. Which is interesting. There are mathematical problems with every voting system, sadly

Æthelred

Oh yeah, Mariella.

Good point about not letting the markets bully us into choosing a particular government. The 'markets' haven't proved real fucking smart recently.

mere_immortal

Who cares what Dom Joly thinks jesus.

Bad-Beat

Maan, I wish I could stay up all night and watch this through. Stupid work.

The Fourth Estate

The BBC should put down Andrew Neil. His segments have all been atrocious.

Italax

...Hey BBC. I don't give a shit what these fuckers think.

Go back to the people talk about politics. What does sport have to do with any of this. Shut the fuck up.

EDIT: YES THANK YOU GOD FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

DarkWarrior

2310: The BBC's Rory Cellan-Jones tweets: One @quercuskidsÂ; reports: "Sit-in at hackney polling station as people not being allowed to vote."

Kalkino

surrealitycheck wrote: »

I would support the Scottish/German/NZ AV+/MMP system, as it works well in those places. I've voted in the AV+/MMP system and voting over here just feels so archaic.

I recently had a fascinating conversation with one of the gents who wrote the 1979 election manifesto, and he said in the end he would probably choose the German model as the least bad of all worlds. Which is interesting. There are mathematical problems with every voting system, sadly

Well there is a huge amount of research and writing on the German system out there and now a lot of it is in English since NZ and the devolved nations picked the system back in the 1990s. I did my LLM with a German girl who did her thesis on the various mathematical formulas in use in such systems, it was very interesting stuff

Æthelred

Why doesn't the exit poll have a national vote percentage? They must have it on record; they just won't release it.

Coldred

Italax wrote: »

...Hey BBC. I don't give a shit what these fuckers think.

Go back to the people talk about politics. What does sport have to do with any of this. Shut the fuck up.

EDIT: YES THANK YOU GOD FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

Hopefully their boat has sunk.

The Fourth Estate

Italax wrote: »

...Hey BBC. I don't give a shit what these fuckers think.

Go back to the people talk about politics. What does sport have to do with any of this. Shut the fuck up.

EDIT: YES THANK YOU GOD FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

Part of me hopes/thinks an editor deliberatly pulled out a wire.

EDIT: Coldred's idea is better.

Coldred

Nooooo, virtual dominoes.

Italax

Coldred wrote: »

Italax wrote: »

...Hey BBC. I don't give a shit what these fuckers think.

Go back to the people talk about politics. What does sport have to do with any of this. Shut the fuck up.

EDIT: YES THANK YOU GOD FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

Hopefully their boat has sunk.

I just wanted to hear Ian Hislop.