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  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Alcohol and drugs, a veritable staple of society =)

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    Alcohol and drugs, a veritable staple of society =)
    What a testament.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2007
    I think all of America's problems can be solved by ignoring them.
    Shoe, now is not the time for sarcastic remarks.

    Now is the time for the workers to rise and for the street gutters to be bathed in the blood of trust fund babies and men unfortunate enough to buy and wear tophats during daylight hours.
    We can use this new railgun to do it.

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Most socialist nations have been confused for 1940's technicolor musicals due to their non-existant street crimes and cosntantly singing citizenry.

    The problems that exist in American have been abolished in most other European nations where they have replaced tenements with quaint chocolate factories and the homeless with wonderful, life-like statues.

    I think they may have just dipped the homeless in concrete, though.

  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    95% income tax would be wonderful if the government could provide benefits greater or equal to what you pay into

    unfortunately, this isn't how THE WORLD works

    Seriously, tfs. I hope one day there's a cure for your type of idealism. Have you tried alcohol?
    and drugs, yes

    but goodness me socialism works on a level of healthcare, education, and minimum wage

    it just needs to be expanded is all

    I don't have enough scotch left to continue this conversation. In fact their isn't enough scotch in the world for it.

    You weren't entirely wrong singling out America in your original statement though. There does seem to be a certain difference in attitudes towards the wealthy between your average American and your average European socialist. In Europe they tend want to punish the rich, in America we want to be rich.

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I just want to be rich.

    a stinking rich asshole.
    That would be pretty sweet.

    I'd be like one of those guys from the early 20th century political cartoons. Wearing a tophat and monocle, propping my feet up on a member of the working class.

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  • FavlaudFavlaud just straight up awful Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Re: Social Security
    Al Franken wrote:
    See, every year, the Social Security Administration makes three forecasts: an optimistic projection, a pessimistic projection, and an intermediate projection. The press takes a Goldilocks approach and assumes that the intermediate projection is right. But David Langer, an independent actuary, has spent the last ten years picking through those projections, and he's noticed something of a pattern. So far, at least - and this could change, it's good to be cautious - the optimistic projection has been right on the money.
    When Bush says the Trust Fund will go flat broke in 2042, he's using the intermediate projection. But guess what the optimistic projection says? It says we'll have much more money in the Trust Fund than we have today. In other words, it's very possible that we have nothing to solve.

    also

    Though the projected shortfall by 2042 (estimated by the Social Security Administration) or 2052 (estimated by the Congressional Budget Office) is real, Social Security is not in any dire straits. Economist Mark Weisbrot writes, "Social Security is currently more financially sound than it has been throughout most of its entire history. To cover any shortfalls that may occur over the next 75 years would require less than we came up with in each of the decades of the 1950s, 60s, 70s, or 80s." Even projecting a dismal 1.8% rate of annual economic growth, as the Social Security Administration figures, Social Security will require only minimal reworking over the foreseeable future to remain solvent. Slightly higher projections of economic growth show that Social Security will remain perfectly solvent without any major tweaking. Other proposals including raising the cap on income subject to the payroll tax (FICA), forcing higher-income Americans to pay more into Social Security and shifting the burden somewhat from lower-income workers, or to reinstate the estate tax on the wealthiest of Americans to help fund Social Security. Another proposal is to shift some of the Trust Fund to the stock market, where it would hopefully create profits for the Fund.

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  • LarlarLarlar Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2007
    Dislexic wrote:
    This thread is gold on it's way to platinum and beyond to Naquadria, etc.

    I didn't know fictional explosives was the next step up from precious metals. Someone needs to write up a memo.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think all of America's problems can be solved by ignoring them.
    Shoe, now is not the time for sarcastic remarks.

    Now is the time for the workers to rise and for the street gutters to be bathed in the blood of trust fund babies and men unfortunate enough to buy and wear tophats during daylight hours.

    You probably wouldn't love rich people if you weren't from a rich family, is all I'm saying.

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  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Re: Social Security
    Al Franken wrote:
    See, every year, the Social Security Administration makes three forecasts: an optimistic projection, a pessimistic projection, and an intermediate projection. The press takes a Goldilocks approach and assumes that the intermediate projection is right. But David Langer, an independent actuary, has spent the last ten years picking through those projections, and he's noticed something of a pattern. So far, at least - and this could change, it's good to be cautious - the optimistic projection has been right on the money.
    When Bush says the Trust Fund will go flat broke in 2042, he's using the intermediate projection. But guess what the optimistic projection says? It says we'll have much more money in the Trust Fund than we have today. In other words, it's very possible that we have nothing to solve.

    also

    Though the projected shortfall by 2042 (estimated by the Social Security Administration) or 2052 (estimated by the Congressional Budget Office) is real, Social Security is not in any dire straits. Economist Mark Weisbrot writes, "Social Security is currently more financially sound than it has been throughout most of its entire history. To cover any shortfalls that may occur over the next 75 years would require less than we came up with in each of the decades of the 1950s, 60s, 70s, or 80s." Even projecting a dismal 1.8% rate of annual economic growth, as the Social Security Administration figures, Social Security will require only minimal reworking over the foreseeable future to remain solvent. Slightly higher projections of economic growth show that Social Security will remain perfectly solvent without any major tweaking. Other proposals including raising the cap on income subject to the payroll tax (FICA), forcing higher-income Americans to pay more into Social Security and shifting the burden somewhat from lower-income workers, or to reinstate the estate tax on the wealthiest of Americans to help fund Social Security. Another proposal is to shift some of the Trust Fund to the stock market, where it would hopefully create profits for the Fund.

    Here I am not arguing that social security does not work, I argue that it is evil.

  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Where You Aware?

    That if Clinton had held office for one more month, nine out of ten of America's problems would have been solved?

    But because of the Republican Party's control of the Secret World Time Control Council, they accelerated time so that he was unable to complete his plans during his shortened tenure.

    Instead, we get camera phones and videos of ugly teenagers talking into their webcam.

    Come back, Bill, we need you.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Most socialist nations have been confused for 1940's technicolor musicals due to their non-existant street crimes and cosntantly singing citizenry.

    The problems that exist in American have been abolished in most other European nations where they have replaced tenements with quaint chocolate factories and the homeless with wonderful, life-like statues.

    I think they may have just dipped the homeless in concrete, though.

    You sir are positively adorable. Can I take you home?

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  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    The Mabuse faggot didn't even see my joke

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    95% income tax would be wonderful if the government could provide benefits greater or equal to what you pay into

    unfortunately, this isn't how america works

    Yeah, that's fucking stupid, and here's why. If I work extra hard this year and make my company's product extra-shiny and it sells a few more units, I might get a raise. But it's gonna be hard work to get that to happen. Let's say I get a $10,000 raise. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, that translates to a $500 raise after taxes. That's a little under $42 a month. You know what? That doesn't make up for all the nights and weekends I'd have to work to get that money.

    Furthermore, if the government taxes me 95%, then that means that the government gets to decide what I want, in the economic sense. Well, what if I want something unusual? I like martial arts. What if there's no government-funded martial arts program in my area? It doesn't fucking matter that I want martial arts training, because I can't even buy it; if I did try to pay someone to teach me out of my pathetic 5%, they'd get taxed 95% of that money, so there is no feasible way for anyone to start up a new business. And even if the government did decide that my area should get a karate school, it won't be able to expand to bigger floorspace, get nicer equipment, pay grandmasters to travel and give seminars, or even run local tournaments because its budget is determined by the government, not by how much its students are actually willing and able to pay.

    This idea is fucking idiotic, TFS, and the fact that you think it'd work shows that you're either very dumb, very uneducated, or simply unable to think about anything other than how nice the world would be in some retarded, idealistic model where everyone can have everything they want all the time. Real life has tradeoffs, and just pretending that those tradeoffs don't exist is retarded.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Jesus tapdancing Christ, Shoe. You're quoting Al Franken?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Re: Social Security
    Al Franken wrote:
    See, every year, the Social Security Administration makes three forecasts: an optimistic projection, a pessimistic projection, and an intermediate projection. The press takes a Goldilocks approach and assumes that the intermediate projection is right. But David Langer, an independent actuary, has spent the last ten years picking through those projections, and he's noticed something of a pattern. So far, at least - and this could change, it's good to be cautious - the optimistic projection has been right on the money.
    When Bush says the Trust Fund will go flat broke in 2042, he's using the intermediate projection. But guess what the optimistic projection says? It says we'll have much more money in the Trust Fund than we have today. In other words, it's very possible that we have nothing to solve.

    also

    Though the projected shortfall by 2042 (estimated by the Social Security Administration) or 2052 (estimated by the Congressional Budget Office) is real, Social Security is not in any dire straits. Economist Mark Weisbrot writes, "Social Security is currently more financially sound than it has been throughout most of its entire history. To cover any shortfalls that may occur over the next 75 years would require less than we came up with in each of the decades of the 1950s, 60s, 70s, or 80s." Even projecting a dismal 1.8% rate of annual economic growth, as the Social Security Administration figures, Social Security will require only minimal reworking over the foreseeable future to remain solvent. Slightly higher projections of economic growth show that Social Security will remain perfectly solvent without any major tweaking. Other proposals including raising the cap on income subject to the payroll tax (FICA), forcing higher-income Americans to pay more into Social Security and shifting the burden somewhat from lower-income workers, or to reinstate the estate tax on the wealthiest of Americans to help fund Social Security. Another proposal is to shift some of the Trust Fund to the stock market, where it would hopefully create profits for the Fund.

    Here I am not arguing that social security does not work, I argue that it is evil.

    Yeah, and you're full of shit. That's okay though. I brought this out for Mr. Butters.

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You probably wouldn't love rich people if you weren't from a rich family, is all I'm saying.
    I knew I shouldn't have released my autobiography before I released my telephone line powered death-ray.

    I kept on telling the cabal, but they would not listen. They were too busy polishing their yachts with the brains of illegal Eastern European immigrants and bragging about their strangely named child's crappy finger paintings.

    Next time I will get my advice from a coven.

  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Jesus tapdancing Christ, Shoe. You're quoting Al Franken?

    also reputable economists, and research, and things like that

    I am sorry a filthy liberal jew did some of that research, I do apologize

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  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Oh I saw it, I saw it. My testament of using aforementioned drugs an alcohol is limited, but jesus, you have not lived till you've drank a full bottle of vodka.

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    You probably wouldn't love rich people if you weren't from a rich family, is all I'm saying.
    I knew I shouldn't have released my autobiography before I released my telephone line powered death-ray.

    I kept on telling the cabal, but they would not listen. They were too busy polishing their yachts with the brains of illegal Eastern European immigrants and bragging about their strangely named child's crappy finger paintings.

    Next time I will get my advice from a coven.

    also it would help if you made a point, rather than making snarky comments. I guess you only have valid opinions on soda and movies. gosh, that must be nice.

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  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Defender wrote:
    95% income tax would be wonderful if the government could provide benefits greater or equal to what you pay into

    unfortunately, this isn't how america works

    Yeah, that's fucking stupid, and here's why. If I work extra hard this year and make my company's product extra-shiny and it sells a few more units, I might get a raise. But it's gonna be hard work to get that to happen. Let's say I get a $10,000 raise. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo, that translates to a $500 raise after taxes. That's a little under $42 a month. You know what? That doesn't make up for all the nights and weekends I'd have to work to get that money.

    Furthermore, if the government taxes me 95%, then that means that the government gets to decide what I want, in the economic sense. Well, what if I want something unusual? I like martial arts. What if there's no government-funded martial arts program in my area? It doesn't fucking matter that I want martial arts training, because I can't even buy it; if I did try to pay someone to teach me out of my pathetic 5%, they'd get taxed 95% of that money, so there is no feasible way for anyone to start up a new business. And even if the government did decide that my area should get a karate school, it won't be able to expand to bigger floorspace, get nicer equipment, pay grandmasters to travel and give seminars, or even run local tournaments because its budget is determined by the government, not by how much its students are actually willing and able to pay.

    This idea is fucking idiotic, TFS, and the fact that you think it'd work shows that you're either very dumb, very uneducated, or simply unable to think about anything other than how nice the world would be in some retarded, idealistic model where everyone can have everything they want all the time. Real life has tradeoffs, and just pretending that those tradeoffs don't exist is retarded.


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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    The reason children are stupid is because of the school and only the school.

    Parents do not enter into the raising of their child, as television has now supplanted their role.

    If it is anyone's fault besides the schools, it is television and CD's featuring fast talking colored people.

  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User
    edited January 2007
    The reason children are stupid is because of the school and only the school.

    Parents do not enter into the raising of their child, as television has now supplanted their role.

    If it is anyone's fault besides the schools, it is television and CD's featuring colored people.

    I blame fundamentalist Christians. I am seriously frightened since I saw Jesus Camp.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I find it hysterical that liberals don't trust the government in designing a wasteful homeland security or defense budget but that somehow healthcare and other social programs will be immune to that tendency to be wasteful.

    I don't object to a national healthcare system solely because I don't think I should have to pay for my grandfather's viagra. I mainly don't trust our government in running it properly.

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  • NucshNucsh Registered User
    edited January 2007
    The reason children are stupid is because of the school and only the school.

    Parents do not enter into the raising of their child, as television has now supplanted their role.

    If it is anyone's fault besides the schools, it is television and CD's featuring colored people.

    I blame fundamentalist Christians. I am seriously frightened since I saw Jesus Camp.

    It's always that 5-10% of crazy people that seem to be the loudest who ruin it for everybody.

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  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    I find it hysterical that liberals don't trust the government in designing a wasteful homeland security or defense budget but that somehow healthcare and other social programs will be immune to that tendency to be wasteful.

    I don't object to a national healthcare system solely because I don't think I should have to pay for my grandfather's viagra. I mainly don't trust our government in running it properly.


    Simply make national healthcare but limit what the coverage is ( viagra, and other enhancing pills not included) and limits on other things. Truly help those in need but don't fuck over everyone else

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    also it would help if you made a point, rather than making snarky comments. I guess you only have valid opinions on soda and movies. gosh, that must be nice.
    I live every day with the burden of my immense knowledge on soda and movies. On the bad days I cannot get out of bed with the fear of my body being crushed into dust by my great intelleect. On my better days, I am able to get out from under my condor down blanket and eat the kidney of a poor orphan child.

    Being raised by a robot with only the ability to make money, but never love has rendered me as such.

    My father wants me to go into the robo-financing buisiness, but he does not understand that I want to dance.

  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    Oh I saw it, I saw it. My testament of using aforementioned drugs an alcohol is limited, but jesus, you have not lived till you've drank a full bottle of vodka.
    I don't...

    You don't


    ...

    Do you know where your username came from
    [spoiler:e7882e5e18]Unless it's the Flemish painter[/spoiler:e7882e5e18]

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  • NucshNucsh Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    I find it hysterical that liberals don't trust the government in designing a wasteful homeland security or defense budget but that somehow healthcare and other social programs will be immune to that tendency to be wasteful.

    I don't object to a national healthcare system solely because I don't think I should have to pay for my grandfather's viagra. I mainly don't trust our government in running it properly.


    Simply make national healthcare but limit what the coverage is ( viagra, and other enhancing pills not included) and limits on other things. Truly help those in need but don't fuck over everyone else

    Then how do you decide what is and isn't covered? By classifying it as life saving? By how many people need it? By how cheap it is?

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  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    also it would help if you made a point, rather than making snarky comments. I guess you only have valid opinions on soda and movies. gosh, that must be nice.
    I live every day with the burden of my immense knowledge on soda and movies. On the bad days I cannot get out of bed with the fear of my body being crushed into dust by my great intelleect. On my better days, I am able to get out from under my condor down blanket and eat the kidney of a poor orphan child.

    Being raised by a robot with only the ability to make money, but never love has rendered me as such.

    My father wants me to go into the robo-financing buisiness, but he does not understand that I want to dance.

    so...you're a 400lb gay ballerina?

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Jesus tapdancing Christ, Shoe. You're quoting Al Franken?

    also reputable economists, and research, and things like that

    I am sorry a filthy liberal jew did some of that research, I do apologize

    He's a lousy comedian and is not an authority on anything. So he had an uncanny ability to regurgitate DNC talking points on a radio network currently defaulting on all of its employees wages (including his). Big deal.

    I'm an engineer by trade, Shoe. Give me data, not anecdotes.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I think the important thing is to know I need to invest in General Atomics. :P

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Nucsh wrote:
    It's always that 5-10% of crazy people that seem to be the loudest who ruin it for everybody.
    The answer: Bullhorns for the sane.

  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    Oh I saw it, I saw it. My testament of using aforementioned drugs an alcohol is limited, but jesus, you have not lived till you've drank a full bottle of vodka.
    I don't...

    You don't


    ...

    Do you know where your username came from
    [spoiler:793b79cfdf]Unless it's the Flemish painter[/spoiler:793b79cfdf]

    yes It comes from a german director by the name of Fritz Lang, who directed a film called The testament of dr. Mabuse. testament indeed.

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    Mabuse wrote:
    Oh I saw it, I saw it. My testament of using aforementioned drugs an alcohol is limited, but jesus, you have not lived till you've drank a full bottle of vodka.
    I don't...

    You don't


    ...

    Do you know where your username came from
    [spoiler:34e44a9cc8]Unless it's the Flemish painter[/spoiler:34e44a9cc8]

    yes It comes from a german director by the name of Fritz Lang, who directed a film called The testament of dr. Mabuse. testament indeed.
    Then why didn't you follow that shit up with something humorous

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  • MabuseMabuse Registered User
    edited January 2007
    um...sorry? my apologies? meh

    social security is pretty much the safest aspect of our economy right now. you know, until bush reams it with a big dildo
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Mabuse wrote:
    I find it hysterical that liberals don't trust the government in designing a wasteful homeland security or defense budget but that somehow healthcare and other social programs will be immune to that tendency to be wasteful.

    I don't object to a national healthcare system solely because I don't think I should have to pay for my grandfather's viagra. I mainly don't trust our government in running it properly.


    Simply invent a new government program and prevent it from growing beyond it's original intentions. I know it's never worked before but this time it will. Because I have hope.

    Pfft!

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    We also need to make sure that nuclear power is abolished from the face of the Earth.

    If we cannot handle terrorism, then how are we going to be able to handle a godzilla?

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