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[Mass Effect]: 4 months in, feeling old yet?

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User

    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    I wouldn't exactly say it was "cordial".

    Though "You are just a machine! And machines can be broken!" Was pretty retarded and I hate it was the only dialogue option there.

    "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding." is however the greatest opening line ever.

  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I have zero problems with Mako combat. That includes against turrets..

    Mako combat is fine if you turn off auto-aim.

    Auto-aim fucks up your cannon accuracy.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular

    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    I wouldn't exactly say it was "cordial".

    Though "You are just a machine! And machines can be broken!" Was pretty retarded and I hate it was the only dialogue option there.

    "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding." is however the greatest opening line ever.

    and this is why Sovereign will always remain superior

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • SynthesisSynthesis Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I have zero problems with Mako combat. That includes against turrets..

    Mako combat is fine if you turn off auto-aim.

    Auto-aim fucks up your cannon accuracy.

    I don't have trouble aiming the Mako, though to be honest, I frequently miss things if I shoot while moving, so I assume mine is off.

    Yeah, most of Shepard's responses to Sovereign were pretty stupid. Basically "Nuh uh!" material.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • ToldoToldo But actually, WeegianRegistered User regular
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.

    and the game is infinitely worse because of it

    why do they attack the normandy? nobody knows

    why does he want shepard? nobody knows

    why do they need humans for a reaper? nobody knows

    why do they need to liquefy said humans? nobody knows

    i could go on, etc.

    Here's my theory:
    Spoiler:

  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Harbinger is a much worse villain because he never even got close to his goal, and his only success was a pussy surprise attack on Normandy I.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Harbinger is a much worse villain because he never even got close to his goal, and his only success was a pussy surprise attack on Normandy I.

    He's never there in person.

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  • Professor PhobosProfessor Phobos Registered User regular
    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    I like that scene, actually, because I think it's starting to become clear the Reapers have another motive, and Sovereign didn't actually mind talking to Shepherd. Which is interesting.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.

    and the game is infinitely worse because of it

    why do they attack the normandy? nobody knows

    why does he want shepard? nobody knows

    why do they need humans for a reaper? nobody knows

    why do they need to liquefy said humans? nobody knows

    i could go on, etc.

    Each of your questions has an answer and leads to the next.

    They attack the Normandy because they want Shepard. Why do they want Shepard? Because she was central to the defeat of Sovereign in ME1 and is a prime specimen of humanity.

    Why do they need humans for a reaper? Because - as a mechanical race - they are incapable of biological evolution and therefore implement it manually themselves.

    They seek to replace Sovereign with a new reaper, one that builds on the strengths of the race that was instrumental to its defeat. Why do they liquify the humans? Because a reaper is a combination of machine and organic material. EDI explains this - albeit quite briefly - in the finale.

    The only unanswered question really is the exact nature of reapers, as in the reason why they are a combination of organics and machine. Who made them originally and what are their ultimate motives. These questions are obviously core to the ME universe and will be answered in ME3.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Harbinger is a much worse villain because he never even got close to his goal, and his only success was a pussy surprise attack on Normandy I.

    He's never there in person.

    So he's even worse!

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  • Ad astraAd astra Registered User regular
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.

    I prefer Sovereign, because he was more "personal" villain. I think Sovereign's reveal was pretty awesome, and he did not exactly reveal any details of his plans either. Saren's exposition made sense because he was trying to convince Shepard that he was right, and he didn't exactly tell any details either.

    Harbinger is more pro though. I always took it that Sovereign went a bit nuts, having hanged in space alone for 50,000 years with more human influence, while all the other Reapers had been hibernating in dark space.

    Nothing really gets revealed in ME2 except that the Collectors are Protheans - and if you haven't read the novels, you haven't really heard about the Collectors before the game either. And the BIG reveals of ME2 won't probably make any sense before ME3, though it was a pretty nice WTF moment.

    Saren was pretty cool. He was a very good "personal" villain.

    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    That was one of the best parts of ME1, in that single scene Sovereign established himself as a more threatening and credible villain than Harbinger did in the entirety of ME2.

  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Really, that the reapers want humans is ultimate proof of our racial superiority. Imagine what would have happened if the Protheans uplifted us instead of just observing us. Hanar too, so we could have Blasto.

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Ad astra wrote: »
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.

    I prefer Sovereign, because he was more "personal" villain. I think Sovereign's reveal was pretty awesome, and he did not exactly reveal any details of his plans either. Saren's exposition made sense because he was trying to convince Shepard that he was right, and he didn't exactly tell any details either.

    Harbinger is more pro though. I always took it that Sovereign went a bit nuts, having hanged in space alone for 50,000 years with more human influence, while all the other Reapers had been hibernating in dark space.

    Nothing really gets revealed in ME2 except that the Collectors are Protheans - and if you haven't read the novels, you haven't really heard about the Collectors before the game either. And the BIG reveals of ME2 won't probably make any sense before ME3, though it was a pretty nice WTF moment.

    Saren was pretty cool. He was a very good "personal" villain.

    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    That was one of the best parts of ME1, in that single scene Sovereign established himself as a more threatening and credible villain than Harbinger did in the entirety of ME2.

    I imagine Harbinger as a hardcore MMO player, sitting behind a fancy multi-monitor display, space-Hot Pocket in one of his hands (claws?), and just getting so mad that the dudes on his team can't do anything right.

    "RELEASING CONTROL...stupid faggots. If our DPS wasn't such a moron who always takes aggro away from the fucking tanks..."

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  • deowolfdeowolf Registered User regular
    Dark space is a basement?

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Well, yeah, of course the basement is dark.

    Harbinger's a gamer.
    Spoiler:

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.
    o_O ? Ok, now people are just trolling.

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  • EtherealEthereal Registered User regular
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    It's an "oh shit" moment every time the collectors show up.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    Someone wasn't playing on a higher difficulty! :P

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  • RustRust __BANNED USERS
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    oh, come on
    Spoiler:

  • EtherealEthereal Registered User regular
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    Someone wasn't playing on a higher difficulty! :P

    I mean it's kind of true, at least it was on my experience on insanity. The hardest part of the whole game was the end of Horizon and possibly the platforms. After that you have enough upgrades that Harbinger explodes as soon as you look at him on any difficulty.

  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    Well, yeah, of course the basement is dark.

    Harbinger's a gamer.
    Spoiler:

    well done, sir. :^: and the Harbinger as a WoW raid-leader mental image is fantastic.

    Cambiata wrote: »
    You know what this thread needs? Some Turian porn.
  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    Ethereal wrote: »
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    Someone wasn't playing on a higher difficulty! :P

    I mean it's kind of true, at least it was on my experience on insanity. The hardest part of the whole game was the end of Horizon and possibly the platforms. After that you have enough upgrades that Harbinger explodes as soon as you look at him on any difficulty.

    I thought the collector encounters kept the pace up quite well.

    Nice avatar.

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  • EtherealEthereal Registered User regular
    Rust wrote: »
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    oh, come on
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

  • Ad astraAd astra Registered User regular
    Rust wrote: »
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    oh, come on
    Spoiler:

    That was one of the only parts were they felt threatening to me. All throughout the rest of ME2 they were vague, and uncompelling.

  • finnithfinnith Registered User regular
    Sovereign's speech in ME1 was one that I didn't like, because I the Reapers falling into the overfilled category of arrogant villains. Besides, its not like there aren't other ways of providing exposition to the player. I always find it jarring when there's this one font of exposition in a story. I like my exposition when it comes in bits and pieces, as it should when you're learning about civilizations thousands of years old, and machine/organic hybrids that are even older.

  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    finnith wrote: »
    Sovereign's speech in ME1 was one that I didn't like, because I the Reapers falling into the overfilled category of arrogant villains. Besides, its not like there aren't other ways of providing exposition to the player. I always find it jarring when there's this one font of exposition in a story. I like my exposition when it comes in bits and pieces, as it should when you're learning about civilizations thousands of years old, and machine/organic hybrids that are even older.

    Nonsense. Just have a 5 min exposition chat with the immortal robot-reapers.

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  • Ad astraAd astra Registered User regular
    finnith wrote: »
    Sovereign's speech in ME1 was one that I didn't like, because I the Reapers falling into the overfilled category of arrogant villains. Besides, its not like there aren't other ways of providing exposition to the player. I always find it jarring when there's this one font of exposition in a story. I like my exposition when it comes in bits and pieces, as it should when you're learning about civilizations thousands of years old, and machine/organic hybrids that are even older.

    Nonsense. Just have a 5 min exposition chat with the immortal robot-reapers.

    The Reapers are arrogant assholes, Sovereign wasn't going to pass up a chance to gloat about how puny you are. And if that was your problem with him, that he was arrogant and took the time to gloat at you, then by that reasoning, you should despise Harbinger. Harbinger is the equivalent of a schoolyard bully, constantly talking trash and touting his superiority and basically saying he's gonna kick your ass, but then that rings extremely hollow when time and again you wipe the floor with him. The scene with Sovereign made the Reapers feel invincible to me, like Shepard didn't stand a chance against them, it was one of the best scenes in ME1 and there aren't any scenes in ME2 that made me feel the same way.

    Sovereign and Saren were much better villains then the Collectors or Harbinger could ever hope to be.
    Spoiler:

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Ethereal wrote: »
    The problem with the Collectors (and Harbinger) is that you take their best shot early on and after that they never really feel all that threatening.

    The game kind of overplays how threatening the Collectors really are, in the big picture. Their fleet consists of a single cruiser, which we only ever see beat two frigates in surprise ambushes (the SR1 and the Turian patrol). And then loses to a single upgraded frigate when it doesn't have the element of surprise. The Alliance has 8 battleships, I think a few dozen carriers, and who knows how many cruisers and frigates. As soon as the humans decided to start posting actual ships at their colonies instead of hastly setting up a couple of ground turrets, the Collectors would have been fucked.

    It would have never had a chance of getting anywhere near Earth, regardless of what [insert crewmember] says. It wouldn't have really held a couple million people anyways, let alone billions.

  • finnithfinnith Registered User regular
    Ad astra wrote: »
    finnith wrote: »
    Sovereign's speech in ME1 was one that I didn't like, because I the Reapers falling into the overfilled category of arrogant villains. Besides, its not like there aren't other ways of providing exposition to the player. I always find it jarring when there's this one font of exposition in a story. I like my exposition when it comes in bits and pieces, as it should when you're learning about civilizations thousands of years old, and machine/organic hybrids that are even older.

    Nonsense. Just have a 5 min exposition chat with the immortal robot-reapers.

    The Reapers are arrogant assholes, Sovereign wasn't going to pass up a chance to gloat about how puny you are. The scene made the Reapers feel invincible to me, like Shepard didn't stand a chance against them, it was one of the best scenes in ME1 and there aren't any scenes in ME2 that made me feel the same way.

    Sovereign and Saren were much better villains then the Collectors or Harbinger could ever hope to be.

    How many arrogant assholes villains do we have? I'd like to have someone different for once. You remember those comm records that survived on Ilos? If we had more of those they could have conveyed the same feeling of invincibility.

    I would have liked if Sovereign hacked Shepard's vision like Gravemind did in Halo 3. I always thought that was a cooler effect.

  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    It takes a certain amount of arrogance to think you're fit to guide the growth of the galaxy.

    Arrogance or fanatical self-righteousness.

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    I'm trying to imagine having a webcam conversation with an ant in body armor, saying he's out to get me. I think it'd be pretty awesome.

  • Ad astraAd astra Registered User regular
    finnith wrote: »
    Ad astra wrote: »
    finnith wrote: »
    Sovereign's speech in ME1 was one that I didn't like, because I the Reapers falling into the overfilled category of arrogant villains. Besides, its not like there aren't other ways of providing exposition to the player. I always find it jarring when there's this one font of exposition in a story. I like my exposition when it comes in bits and pieces, as it should when you're learning about civilizations thousands of years old, and machine/organic hybrids that are even older.

    Nonsense. Just have a 5 min exposition chat with the immortal robot-reapers.

    The Reapers are arrogant assholes, Sovereign wasn't going to pass up a chance to gloat about how puny you are. The scene made the Reapers feel invincible to me, like Shepard didn't stand a chance against them, it was one of the best scenes in ME1 and there aren't any scenes in ME2 that made me feel the same way.

    Sovereign and Saren were much better villains then the Collectors or Harbinger could ever hope to be.

    How many arrogant assholes villains do we have? I'd like to have someone different for once. You remember those comm records that survived on Ilos? If we had more of those they could have conveyed the same feeling of invincibility.

    I would have liked if Sovereign hacked Shepard's vision like Gravemind did in Halo 3. I always thought that was a cooler effect.

    If your problem with Sovereign was that he was arrogant, then you must hate Harbinger. All Harbinger does is talk about how awesome he is and how Shepard doesn't stand a chance, but that comes of as a bunch of hot air when every encounter with him ends in Shepard kicking his ass.

    Also, vision hacking would have been awesome.

  • RustRust __BANNED USERS
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    It takes a certain amount of arrogance to think you're fit to guide the growth of the galaxy.

    Arrogance or fanatical self-righteousness.

    if you've been alive for like a squillion years and turned the entire galaxy into what's essentially your personal fishtank/seafood bar/breeding ground, then you might get a little full of yourself, yes

    i don't mind, because sovereign was better at being arrogant than most other arrogant bad guys

  • SynthesisSynthesis Registered User regular
    Also, Harbinger is a better villain. There's no exposition scene where he drones on about his evil plans.

    I prefer Sovereign, because he was more "personal" villain. I think Sovereign's reveal was pretty awesome, and he did not exactly reveal any details of his plans either. Saren's exposition made sense because he was trying to convince Shepard that he was right, and he didn't exactly tell any details either.

    Harbinger is more pro though. I always took it that Sovereign went a bit nuts, having hanged in space alone for 50,000 years with more human influence, while all the other Reapers had been hibernating in dark space.

    Nothing really gets revealed in ME2 except that the Collectors are Protheans - and if you haven't read the novels, you haven't really heard about the Collectors before the game either. And the BIG reveals of ME2 won't probably make any sense before ME3, though it was a pretty nice WTF moment.

    Saren was pretty cool. He was a very good "personal" villain.

    The whole scene where you have a cordial conversation with an ancient evil space-robot that annihilates species for a living was rather (very) silly, though.

    It's incredibly silly. Especially given that, in that time, Sovereign could have obliterated the continent you were standing on or something comparable, and by all accounts, he knew what you had done up to that point.

    It's a very enjoyable scene, simply because it is surprising, but it's also very, very silly. "Puny human, I shall explain my plan to you in depth so you may foil me, rather than reduce you to ash where you stand!" Cue the evil laughter. Then again, I'm fairly certain Bioware deliberately wanted Sovereign to have a certain amount of cheesy hokeyness.

    It wouldn't have been as silly if it had been someone close to Sovereign, but it would have been less imposing also.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Scooter wrote: »
    I'm trying to imagine having a webcam conversation with an ant in body armor, saying he's out to get me. I think it'd be pretty awesome.

    :^:

    "For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men. Not women. Not beasts...this you can trust."
  • SynthesisSynthesis Registered User regular
    I still think Harbinger would have been better--or at least creepier--if they had actually elaborated on the Shepard fetish the collectors have.

    (Specifically, with an incomplete Shepard-Reaver.)

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I still think Harbinger would have been better--or at least creepier--if they had actually elaborated on the Shepard fetish the collectors have.

    (Specifically, with an incomplete Shepard-Reaver.)

    Humans are the best species, and Shepard is the best human.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    I think the Collector's are kind of a last minute 'we need a new Geth', really. They started off as really powerful and scary, then it turns out they're bugs that use bugs that for some reason only Ash/Kaiden can shoot at. So Harbinger suffers from that by extension.

    "For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men. Not women. Not beasts...this you can trust."
  • SynthesisSynthesis Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I still think Harbinger would have been better--or at least creepier--if they had actually elaborated on the Shepard fetish the collectors have.

    (Specifically, with an incomplete Shepard-Reaver.)

    Humans are the best species, and Shepard is the best human.

    Like I said, boring. A bizarre fascination becomes "so what?".

    Especially given that their plan isn't to turn Shepard, it's to liquidate him/her and along with everyone else. That's like me having booming at a frostie, "Do you feel me, Frostie?"

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
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