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ChaosHatChaosHat Registered User regular
edited June 2010 in Games and Technology
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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I love my goddamn TE.

    I don't see a lot of Chun Li players, so I play her now. I love EX Legs -> Kikosho.
    Hosenka keeps getting me killed.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Continued from prev thread.
    Barrabas wrote: »
    chick - clothes = want.

    Seems simple enough. :P
    Spoiler:

    Same goes for R. Mika too I guess.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I wonder why Arturo is trying to use Seth in these tourneys. He didn't seem all that fantastic with him when we played (I've seen better Seths online, in other words).

    I keep thinking about trying to go to one of these things, but my hands and controllers and setting them up .... :(.

    Gah.

    (really this is a throwaway post so I can be lazy and look for the bullet marking this thread instead of reading).

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  • bwaniebwanie Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I wonder why Arturo is trying to use Seth in these tourneys. He didn't seem all that fantastic with him when we played (I've seen better Seths online, in other words).

    I keep thinking about trying to go to one of these things, but my hands and controllers and setting them up .... :(.

    Gah.

    (really this is a throwaway post so I can be lazy and look for the bullet marking this thread instead of reading).

    just do it man. you can be the next wolf krone. get that convertor or dual mod that sucker.

    for the pride of PA!

    edit: maybe the dictator matchup is heavily anti-seth? I think arturo's sim looks better anyway.

  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I believe the Elena assumption comes mostly from the Africa stage being in.

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  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I hope if poison does make it in, she has a bulge like all the male characters do. Maybe even as prominant as Zangiefs.

  • BarrabasBarrabas Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    And I hope you're never allowed to do character design. D:

    Even given Poison's "special nature" we don't really need that.

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  • HenryVapeHenryVape Registered User
    edited May 2010
    I remember an interview right after the SF3 characters were announced were the interviewer asked how close Elena had been to become included, and that Ono stated that had they added another one she would have been the one.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bwanie wrote: »

    just do it man. you can be the next wolf krone. get that convertor or dual mod that sucker.

    for the pride of PA!

    edit: maybe the dictator matchup is heavily anti-seth? I think arturo's sim looks better anyway.

    I don't know. The first few times, back in vanilla, that I fought a Seth I got demolished just trying to understand the match up.

    I've gotten a lot better, but it doesn't feel like it's slanted in my favor. Arturo's Seth has been the only one I ever killed with an Ultra in both rounds (the second off the jumping mp combo at that lol).

    He just was easier to hit then others.

    You are correct, though. His Dhalsim was good and I thought his best guy.

    I'll give him props, though, he seems to go at everybody online and not care about his stats. I'm starting to see more and more people avoid you in ranking if they think they have a chance to lose (Jackness25 in Canada is the current big offender....which is annoying as he's good and it's a fun fight).

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  • aBlankaBlank Registered User
    edited May 2010
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I wonder why Arturo is trying to use Seth in these tourneys. He didn't seem all that fantastic with him when we played (I've seen better Seths online, in other words).

    He'll bust out Seth when he feels the sim matchup is much worse. I also think it's silly to judge someone's offline play with his online play, but whatever.

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    aBlank wrote: »
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I wonder why Arturo is trying to use Seth in these tourneys. He didn't seem all that fantastic with him when we played (I've seen better Seths online, in other words).

    He'll bust out Seth when he feels the sim matchup is much worse. I also think it's silly to judge someone's offline play with his online play, but whatever.

    Mainly because his tactics sucked with Seth while being excellent with 'Sim. I wasn't knocking his execution.

    I've never been able to jumping 2x mp a Seth before.

    It's not like I'm saying he was missing links and thus sucked :).

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  • KinderpartyKinderparty Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    aBlank wrote: »
    Bizazedo wrote: »
    I wonder why Arturo is trying to use Seth in these tourneys. He didn't seem all that fantastic with him when we played (I've seen better Seths online, in other words).

    He'll bust out Seth when he feels the sim matchup is much worse. I also think it's silly to judge someone's offline play with his online play, but whatever.

    Mainly because his tactics sucked with Seth while being excellent with 'Sim. I wasn't knocking his execution.

    I've never been able to jumping 2x mp a Seth before.

    It's not like I'm saying he was missing links and thus sucked :).

    It did smell off. Even if he got in and actually created an opening, he didn't always seem to make the best of them. His follow ups weren't as spectacular as normal either.

    Sometimes folks just have off days. Maybe that was the case.

  • bwaniebwanie Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    i thought that was a target combo

    edit: dic's jump mp x2

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    For for reason I was expecting inthul to be a twelve year old skinny asian kid.

    Imagine my surprise.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Speaking of Seth as a tourney character, separate from who uses him, I think he's a lot like Akira from Virtua Fighter.

    On paper he seems unstoppable due to his speed, range, combos....but in reality he can still lose (mainly due to his HP deficiency).

    Akira was a better example of this due to the fact that he had a wide range of counters, probably, so I might not be making sense.

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  • bwaniebwanie Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    so why did everybody stop playing akuma?

    i never run in to any good akuma's anymore

  • BarrabasBarrabas Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    In all fairness good Akumas were pretty rare in the first place. But if that means that there are less "lol jump back air fireball, fireball, demon warp" Akumas then my Makoto will be rather happy.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    THere are plenty of terrible akuma's to take his place.

    Also 95% of those Akuma's are playing Ibuki.

  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    But those are the best akumas!

    Dash, fukiage, for massive damage, etc. etc.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Who won in ranbats last night?

  • GF-BoceifusGF-Boceifus Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Antihippy wrote: »
    But those are the best akumas!

    Dash, fukiage, for massive damage, etc. etc.

    Preach it brother Makoto! I love fighting jump back air fireball akuma's with Makoto. Thanks for giving me all that extra time to either Fukiage or EX Hayate and push you to the corner.

    That matchup is just weird though. I want to think that it should be heavily in Akuma's favor, but it really never seems all that bad. Even playing good Akuma's it's always close, and I never feel like I'm getting steamrolled. I guess Makoto's dmg output really makes a difference.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    stigweard wrote: »
    Who won in ranbats last night?

    KinderParty won the first PA RanBat Double Elim. Bracket.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Antihippy wrote: »
    But those are the best akumas!

    Dash, fukiage, for massive damage, etc. etc.

    Preach it brother Makoto! I love fighting jump back air fireball akuma's with Makoto. Thanks for giving me all that extra time to either Fukiage or EX Hayate and push you to the corner.

    That matchup is just weird though. I want to think that it should be heavily in Akuma's favor, but it really never seems all that bad. Even playing good Akuma's it's always close, and I never feel like I'm getting steamrolled. I guess Makoto's dmg output really makes a difference.

    Well, she doesn't seem to have any outright terrible matchups. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" /> Just alot of kinda bad and even ones.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    stigweard wrote: »
    Who won in ranbats last night?

    KinderParty won the first PA RanBat Double Elim. Bracket.

    Grats Kinder. Have to play you sometime, still, I think.

    It's annoying, last nights was the first Ranbat I could've made and the 360 RROD'ng a second time just shoved a gigantic.....

    Well, I wasn't happy.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Need more people to vote on ranbat start times. Voting form is in big letters in the op.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    According to a friend who has worse luck then anyone I know with 360s repairs from a private party are the way to go. He has RROD 6 times. He got it fixed at a private place and is 15 months rrod free. Same guy has had 2 yellow light failures on ps3... I think he keeps his systems in a sandbox in a sauna room or something...

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  • Nick TNick T Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    You already have my votes Chaos. I'll be around for most Ranbats Thursday's from now on, whatever time they start.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Double elimination was an exciting format. I'd like to use it more. Maybe a shorter pools period with a double elimination playoffs or something.

    I'm thinking about having the points matter by entering you into an end of season tournament with some sort of prize (some sort of custom forum avatar or signature denoting your awesomeness). Maybe the top 8 or 16 point counts (depending on how many people we have) are seeded into a big double elimination bracket.

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  • House of PaincakesHouse of Paincakes Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    TheUnsane1 wrote: »
    According to a friend who has worse luck then anyone I know with 360s repairs from a private party are the way to go. He has RROD 6 times. He got it fixed at a private place and is 15 months rrod free. Same guy has had 2 yellow light failures on ps3... I think he keeps his systems in a sandbox in a sauna room or something...

    o_O

    Yeah, I think that's more "operator error" than anything.

  • Hiryu02Hiryu02 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    I got wrecked by a Gouken the other night as well. Made me blink and go "Wtf?".

    I beat him down in my sleep in vanilla, but now? I dunno what happened.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    I figured he used Gouken. Gouken's zoning game takes out a good chunk of Hawk's offense by keeping him out of the air. On the ground, he can easily keep distance and chip away. It turns into a long, lame match that is heavily in Gouken's favor.

  • Hiryu02Hiryu02 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    stigweard wrote: »
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    I figured he used Gouken. Gouken's zoning game takes out a good chunk of Hawk's offense by keeping him out of the air. On the ground, he can easily keep distance and chip away. It turns into a long, lame match that is heavily in Gouken's favor.

    You. Me. Gouken. Hawk. Practice Matchup. NOW.

    Actually how about tomorrow night?

    Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Parental Unit RemulakRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The last few Ryu trials are just damn stupid and useless. If I have a full super bar, why in the name of all that is fuck would I waste it focus canceling into MP three times in a row? If I can land the initial MP, why wouldn't I just lp shoryuken into super hadoken?

    Just boggles the mind

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Playing against Gouken as Abel always felt dirty in SF4. Is that matchup still heavily in Abel's favor in Super?

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Aspiring Game Designer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    The last few Ryu trials are just damn stupid and useless. If I have a full super bar, why in the name of all that is fuck would I waste it focus canceling into MP three times in a row? If I can land the initial MP, why wouldn't I just lp shoryuken into super hadoken?

    Just boggles the mind

    Almost all the big trial combos are like that. At best, one combo from those lists is useful and the rest are made intentionally long/hard for people to show off.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    stigweard wrote: »
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    I figured he used Gouken. Gouken's zoning game takes out a good chunk of Hawk's offense by keeping him out of the air. On the ground, he can easily keep distance and chip away. It turns into a long, lame match that is heavily in Gouken's favor.

    You. Me. Gouken. Hawk. Practice Matchup. NOW.

    Actually how about tomorrow night?

    I can play for a bit after I get knocked out of ranbat, but not too late - I'm working in another city on Friday and Saturday.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Aspiring Game Designer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    stigweard wrote: »
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    stigweard wrote: »
    Hiryu02 wrote: »
    Yeah Kinder clutched it out. His Gouken just kept me zoned, very hard to break through the wall. Of course this now means I have to play Gouken whenever possible until I know what to do in that matchup in my sleep.

    I figured he used Gouken. Gouken's zoning game takes out a good chunk of Hawk's offense by keeping him out of the air. On the ground, he can easily keep distance and chip away. It turns into a long, lame match that is heavily in Gouken's favor.

    You. Me. Gouken. Hawk. Practice Matchup. NOW.

    Actually how about tomorrow night?

    I can play for a bit after I get knocked out of ranbat, but not too late - I'm working in another city on Friday and Saturday.

    Metro City? If so, be careful where you park your car. Also, check all of the trash cans, barrels, and phone booths for assorted gems, weapons, and food.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Ok so grappler players which characters give you fits? I am looking for a second character to start on and figure I should try and cover Ibuki's weak spot which seems like Abel,Gief,Hawk, Rufus. I think generally Sagat and Sim are good vs all of those characters but I'd rather go a different way since I don't care for either of them**. Bonus points if the character is also offensive minded since I need help with turtles for Ibuki as is.

    **Chun Li is NOT on the character select screen as far as I am concerned, nor is Bison,Boxer,E. Honda, or Guile.

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Chun is probably one of the hardest, she can fight in the air really well and can zone very effectively, and c.lk c.lk exlegs is easy, reliable damage that can shut down plenty of grappler pressure.

    Gief is a pretty good anti-grappler-grappler. Abel players still tremble in fear at the sound of his name and clutch their Ultra II tightly at night.

    In general I find good jabs or shorts (that can turn into combos) and good crossups are ideal for fighting grapplers. Depends on the grappler.

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