[Red Dead Redemption] Co-op DLC available now.

Professor Snugglesworth

Let's saddle up then.

Mr Blonde

Professor Snugglesworth wrote: »

Okay, so who wants to co-op right now?

Friend request sent. Judas fn priest

Olivaw

Look all I'm saying is if you don't infer anything from the final scene where

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there's that little moment where Jack looks down at his gun

I really don't know where your head was during that cutscene

Two Headed Boy

I just got the Dastardly achievement.




Using a nun.

Lucascraft

Regarding the ending and my comments above:

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Like I said previously: I have no problem with Jack dying. In fact, I expected it. There was no other way out. It was inevitable.

And yes, I understand the point was that he was hopelessly outgunned and that they sent so many people to bring him in. I'm ok with all of that. I can't stress that enough. I am perfectly fine with John dying.

The thing that annoyed me was that they gave me the chance to take a few shots, and indeed, a few shots I did take, and they didn't actually matter. Why even bother to give the player any control if they are gonna immediately retcon it right out two seconds later.

I fucking shot Ross, Captain Beardo, and like 3 other dudes before they got me. I am perfectly ok with them getting me, and I am perfectly ok with the fact that I could not possibly kill all of them in the short amount of time that was allotted to me. The thing that bugs me is that my shots did go off and people did get shot in the face. But then they were all peachy right afterwards as if nothing happened.

I would rather not have a dead-eye moment if they weren't gonna let it matter. I'd be perfectly happy with a cutscene where Marston opens the stable doors and gets pumped full of lead. That would be a perfectly ok ending in my book. But they gave me the chance to take a shot and bring a few bastards down with me and I want the satisfaction of the kill.

l337CrappyJack

Lucascraft wrote: »

Regarding the ending and my comments above:

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Like I said previously: I have no problem with Jack dying. In fact, I expected it. There was no other way out. It was inevitable.

And yes, I understand the point was that he was hopelessly outgunned and that they sent so many people to bring him in. I'm ok with all of that. I can't stress that enough. I am perfectly fine with John dying.

The thing that annoyed me was that they gave me the chance to take a few shots, and indeed, a few shots I did take, and they didn't actually matter. Why even bother to give the player any control if they are gonna immediately retcon it right out two seconds later.

I fucking shot Ross, Captain Beardo, and like 3 other dudes before they got me. I am perfectly ok with them getting me, and I am perfectly ok with the fact that I could not possibly kill all of them in the short amount of time that was allotted to me. The thing that bugs me is that my shots did go off and people did get shot in the face. But then they were all peachy right afterwards as if nothing happened.

I would rather not have a dead-eye moment if they weren't gonna let it matter. I'd be perfectly happy with a cutscene where Marston opens the stable doors and gets pumped full of lead. That would be a perfectly ok ending in my book. But they gave me the chance to take a shot and bring a few bastards down with me and I want the satisfaction of the kill.

Hey, you're wrong.

Professor Snugglesworth

We did real good tonight, getting Gold on all the co-op missions except River.

How the heck do you get Gold on that?

override367

l337CrappyJack wrote: »

Lucascraft wrote: »

Regarding the ending and my comments above:

Spoiler:

Like I said previously: I have no problem with Jack dying. In fact, I expected it. There was no other way out. It was inevitable.

And yes, I understand the point was that he was hopelessly outgunned and that they sent so many people to bring him in. I'm ok with all of that. I can't stress that enough. I am perfectly fine with John dying.

The thing that annoyed me was that they gave me the chance to take a few shots, and indeed, a few shots I did take, and they didn't actually matter. Why even bother to give the player any control if they are gonna immediately retcon it right out two seconds later.

I fucking shot Ross, Captain Beardo, and like 3 other dudes before they got me. I am perfectly ok with them getting me, and I am perfectly ok with the fact that I could not possibly kill all of them in the short amount of time that was allotted to me. The thing that bugs me is that my shots did go off and people did get shot in the face. But then they were all peachy right afterwards as if nothing happened.

I would rather not have a dead-eye moment if they weren't gonna let it matter. I'd be perfectly happy with a cutscene where Marston opens the stable doors and gets pumped full of lead. That would be a perfectly ok ending in my book. But they gave me the chance to take a shot and bring a few bastards down with me and I want the satisfaction of the kill.

Hey, you're wrong.

Well I agree with him,

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if they had let you aim but opened fire before you possibly could that's one thing, the fact that it actually lets you shoot them and it does nothing is kinda silly

The Dude With Herpes

I just want to point out that in several of the last few posts about the ending people said

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Jack

When they clearly meant

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John

Olivaw wrote: »

Look all I'm saying is if you don't infer anything from the final scene where

Spoiler:

there's that little moment where Jack looks down at his gun

I really don't know where your head was during that cutscene

What exactly are you trying to imply with this?

Urian

It's a video game. Let each other have their own opinions over how they saw the ending or not. Every one of you put in over 20 or 30 hours into it. Everyone's earned their own way to look at the game, they don't owe someone else or rockstar or whatever a certain perspective. He or she has payed the 60 bucks and put the time in. Some people, like me and Lucascraft, have an issue with gameplay liberties being taken for the sake of cinematic story, and vice versa. Others my not even see them as liberties at all, or not mind them. To get condescending or dismissive like CrappyJack over something like this that's founded in personal experience is flat out depressing.

Ninja Snarl P

Olivaw wrote: »

Look all I'm saying is if you don't infer anything from the final scene where

Spoiler:

there's that little moment where Jack looks down at his gun

I really don't know where your head was during that cutscene

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It could easily be inferred that Jack was displeased with what he did and the fact he felt he had to do it. He could also have been ashamed at killing Ross despite his father teaching him otherwise, satisfied that the situation was concluded and he could go on with his own life, or unhappy with the end result leaving him completely unsatisfied.

Soldiers feel regret over killing people and still come back from war completely able to lead decent lives. Maybe it didn't solve anything or even give him closure, but the way the game ended doesn't even remotely guarantee he goes off to replay his father's life. Good thing, too, because if the official conclusion was that absolutely nothing was fixed and everything John Marston did accomplished absolutely nothing, then I wouldn't bother playing the game again. Why would I want to play story-focused game where the story leaves you accomplishing nothing after hours and hours of effort? It would be a total waste of time.

Bacon-BuTTy

Urian wrote: »

It's a video game. Let each other have their own opinions over how they saw the ending or not. Every one of you put in over 20 or 30 hours into it. Everyone's earned their own way to look at the game, they don't owe someone else or rockstar or whatever a certain perspective. He or she has payed the 60 bucks and put the time in. Some people, like me and Lucascraft, have an issue with gameplay liberties being taken for the sake of cinematic story, and vice versa. Others my not even see them as liberties at all, or not mind them. To get condescending or dismissive like CrappyJack over something like this that's founded in personal experience is flat out depressing.

I love RDR, but this is my main problem with it also.

Ending spoilers

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I also shot Ross, but i purposefully avoided shooting his buddy because I liked him. But it didn't matter anyway because Ross' head wound healed magically whilst all of his no-named soldier buddies clutched at theirs and keeled over during the firing squad's gunfire.

I did think it was kind of weird, but I let it go, mostly because I was unsuprised. It would have been cool to have a different ending depending on whether or not you managed to take Ross with you. But R* games, although generally awesome, have a very fixed story like that. They want you to then go on to take revenge with Jack, so they're going to make you do it.

Like I said, I let it go, not because I am okay with it, but mostly because I was unsuprised.

Playing through it the second time has also highlighted incessant hand holding this game employs.

There's text for everything.

Like, this is my 20th bounty, game. I know I am approaching the bountie's last known location. Yeah, I know I can either kill him or take him alive for more money.

And during some of the missions, there are times when using your head and working shit out would have improved the gameplay a lot. But instead there are text boxes popping up telling you exactly what to do at every moment. With a yellow "X" indicating where you need to stand to do it. It didnt bother me TOO much the first time around.

But jesus. It feels like I have a cheat on. Or I am using an official strategy guide built into the game.

*cough* .... like I Said. I still love RDR in spite of all this.

smof

Yeah I found the constant instructions kind of irritating and wish you could switch them off. Like one Mexico mission where you have to ram a door with a wagon, so first you get told by NPCS "Ram the door with the wagon and jump off", then you're riding the wagon and text pops up saying "Jump off before it hits the door!" and then the NPCs shout the same thing at you. YES THANKS I GOT THE IDEA.

I also found some of the stranger missions a little dull for the same reason. You'd activate a mission by talking to someone, then the game would tell you exactly where to go and who to talk to, and in the end you don't really do anything, you just go places and click B. Apart from that one mission where you have to break a horse (and possibly others to be fair, I haven't done them all yet).

mxmarks

If we're complaining, my biggest complaint is just how poorly some of the stranger missions are written. Half the time they would end, and I would have to go into Stats and look up Strangers to read the little paragraph on what actually happened.

Spoilers on specific Stranger Missions that bothered me most:

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Eva in Peril pissed me off so bad. Started off compelling, where I buy her freedom. Then I go check up on her at the nun house, and she's gone! ...Then, somehow I just am told to go to the cemetary where I find the dude burying her. The blurb says he killed her in a drunken rage. What!? When did this happen? And why? And how? I would have loved one more step in there where I bump into him, saying he's going to get her back while he's all drunk, or just ANYTHING. She went from begging me to free her from him, to going to a convent, and then leaving with him, all off camera. It was horribly inconsistant and made the duel I had with the guy much more confusing than awesome, because I wasnt even positive what was going on at that point.

Aztec Gold - This was the last quest I did, and it was a downer. It was a badass treasure hunt, until I realized they clearly mark where you go. So its just a ride around Mexico. Alright, fine. But in the end, he looks at a rock, gets upset, and leaves. I was so confused. The blurb just says "There was no treasure!"

What?! Then what the hell was Marston pointing at? When he said "I think its right here?" And the guy just gives up like that? And walks off? It just was so pointless.

I love quests that end suddenly with a guy being stupid (I LOVED the one with the flying guy, and the writer who kept getting caught up in gang stuff), but when the strangers were bad, they were awful.

The movie one was another I just didnt get. I went and bought his movie studio, then dueled the guy to get him to go back to the director...and then it was just kinda like "Oh I failed!" The ending didnt seem to really have any weight about what I had just done.

Ceno

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